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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:55 PM
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Just got off the phone with a friend in St. Paul...
...and I thought her experiences might be of interest here.

My friend, D, is a lawyer with a small firm headquartered in downtown St. Paul. Her 20-year-old daughter, A, works in one of the big downtown hotels.

She got up a some ungodly cowmilking hour to get A to work so she could supply coffee to all the GOPpie bigwigs and Old Media fatcats, I think (though she didn't cop to this) partly because she had "Mom worries" about her kid biking or busing down there with all the foofooraw rumored to be coming off. She had to work anyway (lawyers don't necessarily get Labor Day off) so it all worked out.

She dropped off A at the hotel and parked her car and stopped into the office and then it was more like a normal breakfast time so she headed out to see what was goin' on in the streets. What was going on was a lot of milling around by cops, media people, and protesters.

Thing One Everyone Should Know About What Went On In Saint Paul Today:
As D spent a lot of time explaining to Jane Hamsher and Glen Greenwald, it must be made clear to all that the responsibility for stupid, fascistic, stormtrooperlike, irresponsible law enforcement behavior belongs, first and foremost to Mr. Moran himself, Bob Fletcher and the Ramsey County Sheriff's Department. Second, to the Minneapolis police 'on loan.' A distant third, to the various alphabetical Feds, the National Guardsmen, and the State troopers. A very distant --but significant-- last, to the Saint Paul Police and the City government.

As a St. Paul expatriate who spent many tooth-gnashing, hair-pulling years attempting to dislodge Bob "The Neanderthal" Fletcher from various elected offices and/or prevent his election, this makes perfect sense. D's description of Bob: "A man with massive, terminal testosterone poisoning" is entirely accurate. Add in an IQ approximately equivalent to his belt size and you can see the problem. The convention provided Bob with a chance to muscle into a national spotlight and now he's busy making the entire metropolitan Twin Cities law enforcement community look like the Alabama State Police, circa 1965.

*******************

D ran into the aforementioned bloggers at or near Mickey's Diner and chatted them up for awhile, then strolled around to observe the various knots of protesters and the various groups of law enforcement marshalled in preparation (or, in the case of the RCSD and the MPD, provocation) for the various scheduled and unscheduled marches. She took a lot of pictures and when she sends them to me I'll post them here.

Eventually it was getting hot and her camera was running out of batteries and she went into Macy's for a frozen yogurt. Practically no one in Macy's. Practically no one anywhere in downtown St. Paul except in the streets.

She came out and headed toward her office in the hope of finding some batteries there and realized that things were heating up a little.

Thing Two Everyone Should Know About What Went On In Saint Paul Today:
D's other daughter, B, was scheduled to march with the big, permitted, organized peace march and she got regular updates on that march. Which was, as it was designed to be, peaceful. In fact, most of the protest groups were nonviolent and polite almost all day. The media spent little time covering those, however. Not enough blood, doncha know.

Some groups, OTOH, DID get out of hand. D was appalled to witness the window-smashing going on. A quote from her: "I can understand smashing windows that represent the capitalist establishment, but the Minnesota Composers' Forum?" Apparently some of the anarchist types weren't exactly hewing to a strict script, although according to D they seemed very well-coordinated.

Here's the thing about that:

Saint Paulites (and I know, 'cause I used to be one, and my family still are some,) are not going to take kindly to such thoughtless destructiveness. Not even the radical liberal lefty-type ones. They might have been able to forgive smashing a few Ecolab windows or a Macy's window or two (although all but the most lefty-liberal-commie-anarcho-sympathizers would still deplore such un-nice behavior,) but the Composers' Forum? Come on. That's going to lose them any tolerant sympathy they might have been able to scrounge up and give a real black eye to the legitimate protesters.

*************

D began to get worried about A, who was about to get off work. There weren't any of the right kind of batteries at the office so she decided to head for home since it was getting hot (in the 90s today and in Saint Paul that also means humid.) Just then the phone rang and it was A, who stated "The buses don't seem to be running by the hotel and I can't get through to Kellogg because they have it blocked off."

D instructed A to walk down to her office building and she'd come down to the street to meet her and they could go home together. She called B, just to check how the big peace march was going, and B said "Don't worry, Mom, I'm in the middle of the little old ladies brigade here and all is going as planned, perfectly safe," etc.

She went down to the street level and started out to meet A. There was a large, and excited-looking knot of protesters at one intersection. She called A, they connected by cell phone, 'here I am' wave-wave, they met up. An ominous noise behind them. At the other intersection, a very large knot of Ramsey County Sheriff personnel in full riot gear, helmet shields deployed, riot batons at the ready, body shields up, black marias in the offing, scary-looking equipment to hand.

D and A decided they'd better get the hell out of Dodge, but the only building on the street open was D's office building. They ducked in, and clued the art gallery owners on the first floor into the incipient riot. The gallery folks had, with touching faith, kept everything open in the hope of getting some art appreciators in and maybe selling an art thing or two, but as D gently informed them, the population of downtown St. Paul today wasn't exactly in the mood for aesthetic consumption.

D and A went up to the skyway and looked down on the riot, which was by this time beginning to materialize. D cussed that her batteries were dead and she hadn't been able to find any at the office, and A grabbed her cell phone. "I got my phone, I can take a picture with that!"

Thing Three Everyone Needs To Know About What Went On In Saint Paul Today:
Except that when A got her phone out, there was a funny message on the screen. "No service available. Phone locked."

"Mom, my phone is locked. I can't unlock it. It won't work."

Mystified, D pulled out her phone. "No reception."

Both phones were fully charged.

Now, when D described this peculiar phenomenon to some innocent, nice, politically inexperienced Saint Paul friends they engaged in a few minutes' idle speculation that perhaps the bandwidth was terrifically overloaded with lots and lots of people making calls all at once.

Except, as D pointed out to me, "Hell no. When the bridge collapsed everyone in the Twin Cities hit their cell phones at once and got through just fine, thanks."

The only conclusion we could draw (and I hope that someone will be able to offer credible refutation, because I'd really hate to think that Saint Paul authorities would not sink so Constitution-floutingly low, when the authorities in the much larger Denver metropolitan area seemed to feel no similar compulsion,) is that they were deliberately jamming cell phone reception and transmission in the downtown Saint Paul area today.

There's a phrase for that, and it's not a pretty one:

UnConstitutional prior restraint on protected speech.

I certainly hope that's not the case.

******************

Anyway, D and her daughters got home safely. They live close to downtown in the West Seventh neighborhood. She noted that the helicopters had stopped circling about an hour before she called me, but while we were on the phone they started up again.

"It's like a ****ing police state here. Was it like this in Denver?"

"Not that I noticed."

"Damn."

I'll let y'all know if any more interesting updates emerge from Saint Paul throughout the week.

informatively,
Bright
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 11:58 PM
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1. How do we know WHO was busting windows, Tygrbright?
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 11:59 PM by Hissyspit
Thanks for the post. Got inside info.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:02 AM
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3. Probably the same group that was protesting the recount in Florida....
Edited on Tue Sep-02-08 12:47 AM by BrklynLiberal

Here are the identities of the protesters:
1. Tom Pyle, policy analyst, office of House Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Tex.).
2. Garry Malphrus, majority chief counsel and staff director, House Judiciary subcommittee on criminal justice.
3. Rory Cooper, political division staff member at the National Republican Congressional Committee.
4. Kevin Smith, former House Republican conference analyst and more recently of Voter.com.
5. Steven Brophy, former aide to Sen. Fred D. Thompson (R-Tenn.), now working at the consulting firm KPMG.
6. Matt Schlapp, former chief of staff for Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-Kan.), now on the Bush campaign staff in Austin.
7. Roger Morse, aide to Rep. Van Hilleary (R-Tenn.).
8. Duane Gibson, aide to Chairman Don Young (R-Alaska) of the House Resources Committee.
9. Chuck Royal, legislative assistant to Rep. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.).
10. Layna McConkey, former legislative assistant to former Rep. Jim Ross Lightfoot (R-Iowa) now at Steelman Health Strategies.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:16 AM
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15. There is always a few of those. Happened to us in D.C. when 300,000 to 400,000
marched for peace in 05. The were breaking windows in protest of the WTO meeting that was taking place there at the same time. Makes everyone suspect. Pisses me off, but the cops didn't overreact there that I saw. I knew protesters would be treated differently at the CONvention than they were in Denver.
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NancyG Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:35 PM
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36. Saw that in the San Francisco anti-1st Iraq War Protest
We were peacefully marching on Market Street in San Francisco against Bush I invading Iraq and younger protesters in black hoods were breaking every window. We hooted and hollered at them, but they were doing what anarchists do.

It's a broad movement and we span from the peaceful to the anarchist.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:33 AM
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27. Those folks don't look like they'd care a twit about the
Composer's Forum windows.
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:03 AM
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7. We don't, of course.
She described them as young, wearing anarchist gear, faces covered, etc. But it certainly wouldn't be difficult for those wishing to give the whole tribe of protesters a black eye to tart themselves up in such getup and be deliberately offensive.

It's not as though it hasn't happened before.

diffidently,
Bright
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 02:23 PM
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39. There was a photo of one breaking a window...
He was using a hammer. Now what actual protester would carry a hammer?

-Hoot
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:01 AM
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2. Great report. Thanks. I bet they WERE jamming the phones.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:02 AM
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4. And the unruly protesters were probably undercover RW moles
trying to make progressives look bad.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:35 PM
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49. Or just anarchists. They do exist. They are idiots of course, but the RW
likes to label all those anarchists "liberals" - which is just pure B.S. too.

That's what is funny/sad/pathetic about anarchists, they like to think they are against the system but what they don't realize is that they are playing right into the system's hands.

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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:02 AM
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5. thank you for that - amazing stuff
I lived in the Twin Cities for most of the 1990s and am astounded to picture all this.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:03 AM
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6. Oh no. This is outrageous if it ends up being true.
Edited on Tue Sep-02-08 12:05 AM by Gregorian
Thank you for the wonderfully written descriptions. Testosterone poisoning. Haha.


But the cell phone disruption is more than a little frightening. I think you've just discovered something big and bad.

In fact, if they did interrupt service, I would wager it was primarily to restrict people from taking pictures with the cell phones. However, I don't own a cell phone, and I don't know how they work. But unless the phones store photos inside their own hardware, they would need to upload them to a service. One that wasn't available.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:04 AM
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8. Interesting story, thanks.
CAN cell phones be blocked en masse? I'm sure their must be a way. Were they in this case?

Did you have bars? Sometimes in structures like skywalks, which are basically big metal cages, the signal can be blocked quite effectively. But if you had bars, that wouldn't be the case.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:06 AM
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11. Good point. They'd have to find out if others had the same disruption.
Man, I'd hate to think this was a concerted effort. But then we already know we've been spied upon by them.
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RedLetterRev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 08:45 AM
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25. Absolutely they can
most modern cellphones have a number of operating profiles, like "normal", "silent", "vibrate", "outdoor", "airplane" (RF turned off but games, MP3, local stuff turned on), and any number of hidden profiles that can be activated by software. Nothing says that any of these profiles (even one to turn the camera off, or to disable the phone entirely) couldn't be activated remotely. There are plenty of "back doors" built into all of our technology all the time.

Just because you don't realize it, doesn't mean it's not there.

Same thing with your PC. Your firewall software and most certainly your firewall hardware doesn't necessary protect you against government intrusion. Back doors are built right into the firmware.

You didn't know?

Anyone should -- must! -- realize several truths:

(1) anything that goes on the internet has a life of its own
(2) anything that goes over a cell phone is not private and has a life of its own
(3) anything that goes over text is not private and has a life of its own
(4) anything that lives in a PC is not private and (if not now, will guaranteed eventually have) a life of its own
(5) anything written down will have a life of its own
(6) there is no such thing as a secure PC, cellphone, walkie-talkie, telephone or anything else. If the person on the other end can hear you, so can everyone else in the middle. Think about it.
(7) anything that relies on a carrier (phone, internet, satellite, etc) is controlled from somewhere else -- not in your hand. If you think you have the ultimate on/off switch, you're only fooling yourself.

If you want to document something, the lower tech, the better. Keep your wits and keep batteries and extra memory cards for your digital cameras. If you can, use film and develop in your own darkroom. Use your head -- don't use a commercial developer like Walgreens. That's the quickest way for stuff to "get lost".

I didn't spend over 7 years in MI for nothing. The only something I can give you is USE YOUR HEAD.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 11:55 AM
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35. Simple.
Just have Homeland Security tell the telecoms that operates the 3 or 4 cell towers in the area to turn them off.

Since the government (Democrats & Republicans) have granted immunity to the Telecoms, no sweat.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:05 AM
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9. Your friend should get in touch with Democracy Now too
Last I've read, Amy Goodman was arrested on charge of trying to incite a riot for asking questions about the rest of her crew being arrested, and she was released later. I'm sure D. Now will be interesting tomorrow - maybe they've updated their website...
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:12 AM
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13. She's in close touch with the Center for Indy Media types...
...and she's very active in local Dem and progressive groups.

Activists in the Twin Cities were pre-emptively targeted: homes raided, computers confiscated, etc., all on various "non-political" pretexts. D is one of the people keeping track of what is going on, has been going on. There will have to be a lot of backtracking, documenting, separating reality from paranoia, etc., over the next few days before they can get really ginned up.

But when they do, I think there's gonna be some shakeups in City Halls, etc.

I didn't hear much about that kind of thing going on pre-DNC in the Denver area, but maybe it did.

interestedly,
Bright
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:06 AM
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10. "phone locked"
Does that mean that the phone was totally disabled? In other words, she couldn't take pictures, look at her calendar, etc?

If true, that would be much more serious than just jamming reception. It would mean that her service provider had deliberately disabled her telephone, presumably at the request of police. :(
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:08 AM
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12. Jamming phones to block photographic evidence? (eom)
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 01:06 AM
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17. I bet you could do it by turning off (if that's the correct term) the nearest
cell phone towers.
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Sentath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:19 AM
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26. Nope
I know /just/ enough about cell phones to say that it would be like driving to rural Montana or anywhere else that all the towers are over the horizon.

No, to lock the phone took a signal to lock the phone.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:34 AM
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28. Do you mean they'd have had to block the phones by blocking
Specific numbers??
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Sentath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 04:50 PM
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43. Possible I guess, but I doubt it
Much more effective to simply have the towers that cover that area tell all phones "you're locked"
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 01:08 AM
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18. It sounds they are using technology used in warfare to interfere with and harass these activists.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 12:15 AM
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14. When protests turn violent, the violent actors are often just
agents provocateurs.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 01:01 AM
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16. I've noticed that the masked "anarchists" seem to turn up only at
events that are nationally televised. Wouldn't be surprised if they live in Quantico, Virginia the rest of the time.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 01:10 AM
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19. I wouldn't be surprised at all if you look at history of subverting the peace movement in this
country.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 10:03 AM
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30. think false flag ops, these are not dems...
Edited on Tue Sep-02-08 10:04 AM by FogerRox
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 11:05 AM
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32. And it works to turn public opinion against progressive movements,
because the masked "anarchists" get all the news coverage.
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leftrightwingnut Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 08:19 PM
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45. Would it be wrong to grab an "anarchist"
and hold him/her long enough to get an identity?
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 10:29 PM
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50. You might be charged with obstructing an officer, if not worse.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 11:14 PM
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51. I don't know, but I suggest that we watch the local papers to see if
any of these "anarchists" are ever arraigned, or whether they were quietly ushered out the back door of the jail and back to Quantico to await their next assignment.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 01:25 AM
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20. What went on in St Paul was a false flag operation
Keep ypur eye on the target, November 4th. Do not let them muddy the waters with swiftboats stories, Pay no attention to the shiney pretty things like the Palin stories, or these acts of violence in St. Paul. Just ask your selves, why, when Neo Cons are involved, they resort to false flag operations. Rumors of terrorist attacks at the Boston Democratic Convention in 2004. The WTO violence of a few years ago.

Dont let your selves or your friends get played, keep your damn eyes on the target.


1) The White House must be won.

2) We need 60+ Senate seats.

3) We need another 30-50 seats in the House.


Just say no to pretty shiny things, and yes to voter registration, knocking on doors and making phone calls for Barack Obama, our democratic Congressional and Senate Candidates, and all the down tickets races at the state, county and municipal levels.

We wont get another chance. Keep your eyes on the target.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6874005&mesg_id=6874005
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 09:36 AM
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29. Thanks for the clarity.
We won't get another chance. If we even are getting a chance.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 03:57 AM
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21. KnR for a great post
:kick:

Hekate


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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 04:03 AM
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22. The un-American behavior of the police gets worse and worse each
Edited on Tue Sep-02-08 04:05 AM by dmr
time they feel Americans should be contained and not be allowed to exercise their rights as Americans.

What's even scarier is the round-up of individuals on the 'suspicion to riot'. What the hell is that? Mind reading? I remember reading about an elderly man arrested in Boston in 2004 as he was coming out of a building with his wife. He cried because this was America. This is not suppose to happen. He talked about serving in WW2. He said the police were poor mind readers if they thought he, his walker, and his wife were going to stir up trouble.

Two cents to a donut that those throwing rocks are moles. It's very Nixon-ian. A few decades ago I read a book by (or maybe about, I forget) Myer Lansky who made a deal with Nixon. Nixon would have the DOJ ease up on him in exchange for a bit of violence during what was suppose to be peaceful student demonstrations against the Viet Nam war. Nixon had to keep the public from being sympathetic to the protesters.

To add insult to injury - we, the taxpayer, are funding these police riots against American citizens. We are funding law enforcement of various stripes to perpetuate felonious assaults against American citizens. Who really ought to be jailed, here? After all is said and done, we, the taxpayer, end up spending even more in settlements and court costs.

I'm all for allowing law enforcement to do their jobs. I'm an ex-wife of a cop. I have an enormous amount of caution in protecting all those who serve to keep us safe. Yet, my concern ends when they take their un-needed, seldom-used, new-found Homeland Security riot gear and other various 'tools of trade' out on the streets. In full force, with the power to infiltrate, round-up, abuse, assault, detain and arrest Americans, who have the explicit belief they are protected by the U.S. Constitution. Yet the law enforcement reasoning - it is done all in the name of keeping us safe and keeping the peace.

It sickens me. It saddens me. It scares the beejeebers outa me! As that elderly man I mentioned above said, "If it can happen to me, brother, it can happen to you."

I certainly wish this would be addressed by the Presidential candidates. But I'm not holding my breath.


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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:38 AM
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23. "anarchist types" can be agent provocateurs. long history of that. nt
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:44 AM
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24. WE need a mole into that crowd. . .n/t
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bagrman Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 10:39 AM
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31. I would guess that the Repukes have more to fear or more to hide.
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 11:12 AM
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33. Excellent report, TygrBright
Please let us know if you get any updates from your friend, especially on the cell phone situation. That's chilling, not only for stripping people of their right to communicate but for stripping any citizen in the area of a major means to contact emergency medical and fire services. Such a draconian and reckless action needs to be prosecuted to the wall. Hard.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 11:34 AM
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34. Outstanding post! K&R nt
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 01:04 PM
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37. St Paul expat here.
It was so creepy watching all of this go down right in front of where I used to live. I knew every building in every film and picture. GOD I WISH I COULD HAVE BEEN THERE!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 01:55 PM
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38. Wow... thanks for sharing this.
Anyone planning to get this kind of stuff on tape needs to bring a digital camera and a bunch of extra batteries.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 02:30 PM
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40. It will only get worse. I'm glad all were ok but this should serve as a major wake-up call
Edited on Tue Sep-02-08 02:32 PM by nc4bo
on what "the government" has in store for ALL of us.

No tinfoilhat necessary - it's real and it's happening now and has been happening (remember Katrina?).

Remember this?: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Arkansas_town_on_lockdown_0812.html

and this in Washington,D.C.?: http://dcist.com/2008/06/04/mpd_to_seal_off.php
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yellowdogintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 03:31 PM
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41. kicking nt
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 04:27 PM
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42. cellphones- well. in downtown chicago
i am sure there are few more saturated area for cell service than downtown chicago. but every time i have been there for a big festival or concert, cellphone reception is just out of the question.
locked, i don't know. microchips sometimes say things they don't exactly mean. but reception? very possibly just overwhelmed. seen it many, many times.
it would be interesting to hear from folks using different carriers.
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pengillian101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:52 PM
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44. Such a crypic and long message...
that I got bored and didn't read it all.

So what, some of us don't agree on everything.

I just absolutly HATE ousider protesters coming to Minnesota to tarnish our state.



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Unca Jim Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 08:22 PM
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46. It sickens me...
Edited on Tue Sep-02-08 08:22 PM by Unca Jim
I love living in the Twin Cities; we are blessed by a great community full of wonderful people.

This *is not typical* of the Twin Cities.

It makes me ashamed of my home town.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 08:24 PM
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47. Don't forget the riots in the 60's
There were police officers undercover inciting the riots and prompting violence. We are talking about the Repugs and the message they want to send out...they probably have a hand in this.

Make the protestors look less main stream, break some windows crack some heads that's the Repug way.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 08:34 PM
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48. Police state training exercise
Easier to just use local "law enforcement" for the window-breaking, plenty of undercover officers and wannabes. About a year ago on DU there was a Canadian story with video that showed protest leaders taking aside masked men who were carrying rocks and exposing them - they were identified as Canadian police.
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