I'll lay off Palin's 17 yeard old daughter as soon as she lays off my 15 year old son...............

[trumad]

and 14 year old daughter.

Pro-War, Pro-McCain, Pro-100 years in Iraq--Pro-bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran- and ultimately pro-draft to be able to achieve those goals.

Also: Pro-Anti-Choice, hence taking the right away from my daughter to make choices for herself.

Elect McCain and Palin and this will happen.

This is why it is so important for me and for Progressives who share my beliefs that we fight these fuckers with everything we've got.

So the meme that keeps popping up here telling us that the kids are off limits--- well fuck that. My kids aren't, so why should theirs be?

[Olney Blue]

1. Senator Obama wants us to leave the candidates' kids out of the race.

[WinkyDink]

2. Clearly, the OP is about Mom's political views.

[glancingthefuture]

31. then why did the OP say -17 yr old daughter???

[Raineyb]

9. Cenk has an interesting article on The Young Turks about all this

Would we be saying the same thing if Bristol was black?

Republicans would be all over this story like a cheap suit if one of Obama's daughters were 17 years old unmarried and pregnant. Yet merely mentioning the judgment of Ms. Palin's mother is considered an attack on the child? No, I don't think so. This kind of reasoning is foolishness.

Every time Republicans talk about teenage pregnancy they always frame it as a black teenagers looking for welfare. (BTW the instances of teenage pregnancy has been going down in the black community not that the black community is getting any credit for that. Better to talk about the community only in terms of pathology.) Yet, when it's one of their own they frame it as a girl who made a mistake and it's a private matter. I'm sorry but the Republicans cannot have it both ways and we have to stop allowing them to frame the discussion.

In addition, I smell a huge rat about this marriage nonsense. I seriously doubt that the parents of the young man who impregnated the younger Ms. Palin would be so willing to allow their child to marry at such a young age if not for some undue pressure put upon them by the governor of the state. I think there's another abuse of power that should be looked into.

Regards

[chatnoir]

16. Hear hear

Well said. I am tired of how the Repukes are allowed to frame the discussions. You know if this were the Obama family it would be an absolute field day for them. Of course if it happens to the Repukes its a private matter and off-limits.

[Carolina]

27. Touche!

Obama can remain above the fray but I'll be damned if I will. This whole matter is NOT about Bristol Palin; it's about her moralizing 'pro-life' momma:
- who has no problem shooting momma wolves, momma polar bears and other of God's maternal creatures
- who espouses her mommyhood as a credential for VEEP
- who has no problem putting Bristol in the hotlight of national attention by running for national office though she's totally unfit
- who is a total hypocrite

As you stated so well, if Malia were 17, unmarried and pregnant, we would hear no end of how Obama is totally unfit as a parent and by extension as a potential president.

Fuck the GOP, expose their hypocrisy at every turn. They ridiculed poor Chelsea Clinton in 1992 because of how she looked and NEVER got called on it. Well, we're NOT criticizing Bristol but we should criticize Sarah and Johnny Boy early, often and loudly. And Sarah's homefront is not off limits. After all, if past is prologue, how she manages her home...

[bdamomma]

18. yes, he does.

but weren't the bush twins in the limelight also for their foolishness too.

Plus the woman was not even chosen correctly, desperate men take desperate measures.

[Chloroplast]

21. Yeah, I remember the Bush girls.

Laura's response was that they never bothered Chelsea the way the do her girls. :eyes: Anyway, the hypocrites that fill the GOP are making excuses for the dim bulb that's Sarah Palin and I LOVE watching them squirm as I poke holes in the 08 dreams. Oh well, ths election would been worth debating had McCain picked someone like Snowe or Bailey-Hutchison but he chose someone that could actually win Miss Buffalo Chip.

[Carolina]

28. Miss Buffalo Chip.

or Ms Caribou Chip... good nicknames!

[ampad]

37. OMG,

Did Obama really say that? Seriously people what did you expect Obama to say? "Go after her folks, it is open season on hypocrites" Some of you act as if Obama is stupid. Had Obama kept quiet about all this the media would of burned him at the stake. They would be calling him sexist, and what would Hillary supporters say about Obama not defending this woman and on an on and on. Had Obama come out and said get her! then his political career would be over because the media would for sure eat his lunch. Obama said and did what any smart politician would say and he was right for doing so. As for public citizens, well I doubt Obama would try to censor those who want to know what is going on with Palin and her dysfunctional family. Obama did all he could with that statement. It was up to McCain, Sarah and her husband to not put that child in the spotlight and it is obvious they did not give a damn about her feelings.

[goddess40]

3. It's not about the daughter, it's about the mother's hypocrisy

and failed beliefs. It's time the right admits abstinence only is a huge failure and lets the schools get back to teaching an effective sex ed.

Add this with Britney Spears mother, remember she was going to put out a book about raising children with an emphasis on abstinence only when her underage daughter went and "got herself pregnant".

[demokatgurrl]

10. Absolutely right.

But you know, the Repubs will turn this into a shining example. Because, after all, the kid could have had an abortion but, being a god-fearing christian (who somehow managed to come into initmate contact with some guy's sperm), she will keep the baby.

Bless her lily white soul and her mother's hypocritical heart.

[goddess40]

24. but she still had sex so that means abstinence only gets a big fat F---

If this kid had a comprehensive sex education maybe she would have made a better choice or used birth control.

[Carolina]

29. "lily white"... you hit on something I have long suspected

Abortion isn't about 'life' entirely; it's about WHITE life. Projected national demographics don't bode well for pale faces as a steady browning of the American population is predicted. The pro-life battlegrounds (literally) have often been at clinics that serve mostly white women.

[nomorenomore08]

33. Brings to mind that infamous Bill Bennett clip. Kinda scary, isn't it?

Also the fact that when you hear about abortion clinics shutting down, or areas that don't have one in the first place, it's almost always a rural, predominantly white area. Whereas Planned Parenthoods in the inner cities seem to be a dime a dozen. Don't get me wrong, I think every woman should have full access to reproductive care, but there is an ominous racial undertone to all this, especially on the "pro-life" side. For a lot of them, it really is about "MORE WHITE BABIES!"

[cynatnite]

26. Exactly! n/t

[screembloodymurder]

4. I agree.

We are at war with MSM and nothing should be taken off the table. Nothing! If they arrest ours, we must respond.

[bdamomma]

19. I hope the MSM shoots themselves in the foot and also the

McCain campaign with this ongoing news.

[jhain]

5. DING DING DING

EXACTLY!!

[ananda]

6. considering Palin's troglodytic views on morality and abstinence only education..

.. I'd say that her daughter's pregnancy
is irony to the nth degree.

Palin would have the state dictate that
morality and lack of sex education, leaving
women with no choice or free decision making.

That's why her family's situation is indeed
important and should be exposed to scrutiny
so that people can see the hypocrisy and irony
in all it's egregious and cautionary glory.

[hamsterjill]

17. Bless you all!

For "getting" it.

[H2O Man]

7. Well said.

And right on target.

Nominated.

[LynneSin]

8. Thank you for not only getting it but posting it very well

How can someone like Palin tell our children that abstinence-only is the best education when clearly it was not the option in her household.

And yes, underage girls will always get pregnant no matter who is in the White House. But when it's the daugther of someone who wants to be in the White House (Well as a VP) and change policy to ENSURE even more underage girls will end up like this - then it matters to me.

[trumad]

12. I will do everything possible to protect my children

and clearly the biggest current threat to thier lives is a McCain/Palin presidency. I seriously don't care how we take them down just as long as we do.

[LynneSin]

15. AMEN!!

If anything Obama made that statement because he needs to be above this fracas and I respect and admire him for that. But Obama has to know the importance of all of his NOT because some girl was fooling around and got pregnant but because that girl's mom wants to pass policies that put ALL of our girls at risk even though she hasn't paid much attention to her own.

[Orsino]

11. I don't agree, but you make the only relevant case for attacks on Palin's family.

Palin has made our kids' reproductive organs her business for years, for fun and profit.

[mitchum]

13. Well said

[whatchamacallit]

14. We can't talk about Bristol, but they can send our teens to die

Fuck that! rec'd

[trumad]

20. My point is--- so we diss a promiscuous kid

have her mom drop out, hurt the repub party, and win in Nov. Sounds worth it to me.

[whatchamacallit]

23. I can dig that many DUers want to take on Palin with the issues only, but

that could take some time to play out. I say fuck it, let's just pound her out of the race now.

[Duer 157099]

22. Damn right. I'm on this train too.

Obama has the right to say what he wants, but unlike the repukes, we don't sheepishly fall in line. That's what makes us different.

[TheDonkey]

25. maybe now Palin understands how important PRIVACY is

[Carolina]

30. excellent point!

kick ass, Donkey!!!!

[glancingthefuture]

32. yeah, its stupid to hit on a preg. teen in trouble. what a big person you are.

[Poiuyt]

34. I'll lay off Palin's daughter when McCain apologizes to Chelsea Clinton

[D23MIURG23]

35. Because her daughter isn't the architect of the GOP's shitty policies.

She is a 17 year old girl who has been unfairly dragged into the limelight by her overly ambitious under qualified mother. Now she is not only facing one of the worst mistakes of her life, but she has to read about it on AOL and deal with the fact that everyone in the free world is gossiping about it.

All this "means justify the ends" talk is bullshit anyway, because no one is going to not vote for McCain because his running mate has a pregnant daughter. I can pretty much assure you that this business is far more damaging to Palin's daughter than it will ever be to the republican ticket.

Go after the people who made and are perpetuating this mess, and go after them for things that matter.

[savistocate]

36. But she is so smart savy politically, how clever is it to blackmail.

Putting pressure on is clearly blackmail--do /pay/ what I want or - - - -.