Isn't the fact Palin's AIP membership disqualifies her for Security Clearances a big deal?

[KittyWampus]

AIP is on the list the military and government use when doing background checks before issuing Security Clearances.

The list of organizations and party memberships includes anything related to Communists and Alaskan Independence Party and also the Hawaiian secessionist party.

She is almost certainly not going to be getting security clearance unless Bush gives it to her as an exception.

How is this not a VERY big deal?

[crazylikafox]

1. wow. If true, great catch

[NJmaverick]

2. It's a huge deal, but the MSM hasn't picked up on it yet

they are still distracted by the other story involving s*e*x

[MadrasT]

3. Pretty much seems a deal BREAKER to me. n/t

[Quixote1818]

4. HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!! It would be illegal for her to be VP!!!!

There would be no getting around that law!

[KittyWampus]

10. No, Bush or any POTUS can grant anyone security clearances. Remember Plame Scandal?

And someone stated that the President automatically gets it.

Don't know about VP.

But as a candidate, she'd have to rely on Bush giving it to her.

[glitch]

16. That wouldn't play too well with real republicans, if there are any left.

Plus Bush is miffed with them right now, and you know how petty and vindictive he always is.

The fundies of course will just thank their god.

[geek tragedy]

5. Please provide a link for that.

It would be killer, IF TRUE.

[Tesla]

9. Fingers crossed!!!

[KittyWampus]

11. 2 military DU'ers (long term members) confirmed this. I don't have a link to the list the military

and government uses.

[TwilightZone]

14. Independent confirmation would be helpful.

Otherwise, it's going to be pretty hard to sell as a "fact".

[KittyWampus]

15. Here's the first bit I could find googling

copy of an actual form to fill out for govt. security clearance:
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/pdf/sf86.pdf

I cannot find the actual list they have when interviewing in person. However, looking over questionnaire, they go over your background.

This was on the questionnaire linked to above:

Information relating to the following issues may be considered significant in relation to holding a clearance:

Allegiance to the U.S.
Foreign Influence
Foreign preference
Sexual Behavior
Personal Conduct
Financial Considerations
Alcohol Consumption
Drug Involvement
Emotional, Mental and Personality Disorders
Criminal Conduct
Security Violations
Outside Activities Misuse of Information Technology Systems

[TornadoTN]

This is huge if true - can anyone fact check this?

If this proves to be true (I don't doubt you, cryingshame, I just want solid factual evidence in black and white), we need to get this out there to the media and other friendly sources. Hammer the AIP business home - this is a "personal issue" that affects us all.

[mod mom]

6. WOW..do you have a link for us who share this info w bipartisan forums?

[TwilightZone]

7. Link, please.

I've seen that repeated several times this morning, but I'd love to see an official list.

[Occam Bandage]

8. Interesting. Link?

[mod mom]

12. Here is some info (although not on AIP specifically):

"sedition, or other act whose aim is to overthrow the Government of the United States or alter the form of government by unconstitutional means"

from:


Security Clearance Guidelines

Allegiance to the United States




The Concern. An individual must be of unquestioned allegiance to the United States. The willingness to safeguard classified information is in doubt if there is any reason to suspect an individual's allegiance to the United States.

Conditions that could raise a security concern and may be disqualifying include:

a. Involvement in any act of sabotage, espionage, treason, terrorism, sedition, or other act whose aim is to overthrow the Government of the United States or alter the form of government by unconstitutional means;

b. Association or sympathy with persons who are attempting to commit, or who are committing, any of the above acts;

c. Association or sympathy with persons or organizations that advocate the overthrow of the United States Government, or any state or subdivision, by force or violence or by other unconstitutional means;

d. Involvement in activities which unlawfully advocate or practice the commission of acts of force or violence to prevent others from exercising their rights under the Constitution or laws of the United States or of any state.


http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/security/blallegiance.htm

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

13. If you can provide a link to the list, that story and link should be sent to every news outlet

to every reporter, and to every TV talking head.

[Igel]

17. Does she?

Showing in-depth allegiance through voter registration--that's the most likely way to take the actual evidence--is iffy.

If it's a past tense thing, one has to wonder if Byrd's KKK membership was a problem.

Then there was the video address Palin made to the AIP for the convention. Listen to it: I agree with your goal to do X--which makes salient there are other goes; highlighting one leaves the others de-emphasized, possibly excluded, since she's taking the time to be explicit about her agreement. This is a pragmatic implicature. Cf.: "Oh, John, I love you and want to have sex with you!" ... "Marcia, I want to have sex with you, too!"

But more to the point, she clearly says she supports the AK constitution in that address. The constitution is the AIP sticking point: They claim it was illegitimately ratified, so secession or reversion to territorial status is appropriate. "Annulment" is a good term for that. By supporting the constitution, she says they're wrong; moreover, it explicitly says that it's written to be part of the "Union of States". This is a logical entailment, unless she's just lying--why she would be lying on this point then to them, I'll leave others to speculate. In other words, what's claimed to entail support for the AIP's secessionist goals, can only entail the opposite.

Now, *that's* spin.

[indepat]

18. Youthful indiscretions mean nothing if a 'puke is the indiscreet one

:P