Video of Palin addressing Penecostal Church (Iraq War is a messianic affair)

[mod mom]

Posted at Huff Po (I wish the video was edited-rather long):

Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord.

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

Religion, however, was not strictly a thread in Palin's foreign policy. It was part of her energy proposals as well. Just prior to discussing Iraq, Alaska's governor asked the audience to pray for another matter -- a $30 billion national gas pipeline project that she wanted built in the state. "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.

Video of Kalnins and Palin from June 8, 2008 (via wasillaag.net):

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html

This is truly scary (from the above link):

Pastor Kalnins (Senior Pastor of the Church) has also preached that critics of President Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven; charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war "contending for your faith;" and said that Jesus "operated from that position of war mode."

[valerief]

1. Holy Mary, Mother of God. Kick.

:kick:

[underpants]

72. First post. Exactly what I was thinking

:wow:

[RedEarth]

2. Thanks for posting... this people are completely insane

[mcctatas]

3. God is in charge of getting pipe lines built too????!??!!!!!

"I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.

:wtf:
:banghead:

[Billy Burnett]

12. Faith based pipelines.

[DBoon]

21. Did they hire creationist geologists to find the oil, too?

None of that anti-christian evolution here, just the word of god as revealed to Alaskan politicians

[undeterred]

46. God is in charge of making fossil fuels, which is lots of work, since there are no fossils.

I mean, its a LOT of work.

[spanone]

4. k&r

[TornadoTN]

5. She's a damned Jimmy Swaggart or Jim Baker

Begging and pleading for "GODS WILL AND PRAYER" to bring on their next windfall of cash to spend on hookers and blow, as well as other assorted stuff to enhance their own lifestyle.

Sarah Palin - the gift that keeps on giving. Now where is her sex tape? :rofl:

[jberryhill]

10. Both pentecostals....

...wait till the speaking in tongues comes out.

[Occam Bandage]

6. Wow. She really is crazy as hell.

[seabeyond]

7. omg she sounds like the people in my area. every thing. sit to talk, lets pray first

go to do something if it is the will of god, i put my hands in god, ...... everything

[yellowdogintexas]

42. no kidding. I have had people tell me they prayed about becoming an Avon

or Mary Kay lady...like I care that God blessed the makeup.

(Lord give me strength! now that means something to me)

[flamingdem]

8. hooray for people who save video, you never know when it might be useful nt

[Ichingcarpenter]

9. Isn't She the Greatest Christmas Gift Ever!!!!

Its like Hanukah too
where I get a gift ever day.

[jberryhill]

14. Ramadan? I dunno - how many holidays last for two months?

[FatDave]

39. Anybody workingon a Sarah Palin advent calendar?

Each day you open a door and get a brand new scandal!

[kwolf68]

11. LMMFAO

Move over Pat Buchanan, your 'culture war' has NOTHING on this.

Holy shit on a stick, how did they think this insane nutbag would gain any traction in this nation?

[skooooo]

13. Is CNN going to play this over and over and over again?? nt

[Kali]

28. they probably won't play it once

but that was my thought too, crazypreachergate time!

[libnnc]

15. kick

[TwilightGardener]

16. Holy shit, she's crazy. She's batshit crazy.

[libnnc]

23. God's will be done! Drillin' fer Jeebus!

Drillin' fer Jeebus
Drillin' fer Jeebus
Drillin' fer Jeebus yessireeeeeeeee

We'll be
Drillin fer Jeebus
Drillin'fer Jeebus
Drillin'fer Jeebus yessireeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[nc4bo]

17. I hope you guys save a copy of this weird shit on your hard drives...

stuff has a way of disappearing online. Be a really great netizen, save it somewhere :)!

[FatDave]

41. Downloading the video as I type this.

On an unrelated note, I wish I has that drumset.

[hootinholler]

48. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's TomTom! n/t

[neomonkey]

18. This is what I'm talking about!

You can worry about babies and DUI's.
This is the shit that scares me. Behind that pretty, Tina Feyish facade, you got a sinister puppet. It's the people controlling her I worry about.

[siligut]

54. In total agreement.

Sinister puppet is right. "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction."

[Bucky]

19. God, that is sooo 2002.

kick. recc.

[berni_mccoy]

20. K&R! Palin, the GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING! YEAH BABY!

[FatDave]

40. Hey! The baby's off limits!

:silly:

[tandot]

22. She sounds like the Christian replica of Osama bin Laden.

very scary.

[SeaLyons]

24. Scary stuff...

scary, STUPID, stuff.

[siligut]

55. And they look so normal!

Unfortunately it is very organized stupid. Sarah Palin is only the tip of the iceberg. For these crazies to be showing one of theirs so publicly make me worry that they have an ace up their sleeve.

[Pisces]

25. We need more of these videos.

[Forkboy]

26. Well, she's half right.

It is a mess.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

27. That video will scare the living shit out of most people...I am emailing it around

Her beliefs in end times prophecy and the chance of her getting next to the nukes is a SERIOUS issue the MSM needs to thoroughly investigate/report on.

[endthewar]

29. Palin's oldest son has a "big old Jesus fish" tattoo on his calf

:crazy:

[Lars39]

30. I don't want this woman to even take a WH tour with her kid's 8th grade class.

Shit

[kennetha]

31. I didn't hear this as saying the Iraq war is a messianic affair

It sounded to me and even reads to me that she's asking them, in effect, to pray that our leaders are acting wisely and in a fashion of which god would approve.

Of course, I personally don't believe in prayer, being a diehard atheist. But I don't think any religious person would find it offensive to pray that our leaders "do gods will" rather than "man's will." If anything, her exhortation expresses at least a hint of uncertainty that there really is a plan and uncertainty that this mission is really in accordance with the will of god.

But maybe I missing something.

LIke I said, being a dyed-in-the-wool atheist, this sort of talk always leaves me cold anyway.

[Sebastian Doyle]

32. This should be all over TV 24/7 until November

The right wing hammered the Hell out of Jeremiah Wright and Obama's church, but this is infinitely worse.

Jesus operated in "war mode"? Then I guess He was just talking out of his Holy ass when He said "blessed are the peacemakers", "Love your enemies" and all of that other hippie shit?

[libnnc]

33. Will CNN devote special programming to this prayer-fest?

[TrogL]

34. Welcome to the next Crusade

[progressivebydesign]

35. Paging the IRS!! THe McCranky people SO did NOT vett her!! n/t

[mod mom]

58. Here are the rules:

30. What are the penalties if a religious organization violates the political campaign intervention prohibition?

Unlike lobbying by a religious organization, which is limited but not prohibited, political campaign intervention by a religious organization is strictly prohibited.59 Thus, the organization’s 501(c)(3) tax exemption may be revoked if it engages in any prohibited activity. This means that the organization’s income for the year would become subject to income tax. An excise tax on political expenditures may also be imposed on the religious organization as well as on the clergy member or other leader who authorized the political expenditures.60 Depending on the circumstances, the excise tax may be imposed in addition to revocation of tax exemption or instead of revocation of tax exemption.61 Generally, if the political expenditure is unintentional, the amount is small and the religious organization institutes operational changes to prevent future political expenditures, the IRS will not seek revocation of tax-exempt status.62

31. Does the IRS target churches for enforcement of the political campaign intervention prohibition?

No. There are special audit procedures that the IRS must follow before commencing any inquiry about potential violation by a church of the political campaign intervention prohibition.63 The IRS may begin a church tax inquiry only if the Director, Exempt Organizations, Examinations, reasonably believes, based on facts and circumstances recorded in writing, that the church may not be qualified for section 501(c)(3) tax exemption, including potential violations of the political campaign intervention prohibition. Once an inquiry is begun, the IRS must follow special procedures set forth in the Internal Revenue Code in its further dealings with the church.64 Thus, the IRS does not have unfettered discretion to investigate activities by churches, including violations of the political campaign intervention prohibition, and must obtain high-level authorization before doing so. Generally, IRS inquiries about potential violations by churches of the political campaign intervention prohibition are initiated based upon facts reported by the media or complaints submitted by third parties.

-snip
http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=284

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

36. She's even more like Bush than McSame

Bush and his claims that God told him to invade Iraq.

[eleny]

37. Ed Schultz just read some of these quotes on his show in the past few minutes

He asked "Palin is having pastor problems, too?"

Going viral and it's only Tuesday. :thumbsup:

[progressivebydesign]

38. K&R This HAS to be seen on our front page! Caribou Barbie the religious extremist. n/t

[yellowdogintexas]

43. kicking nt

[MadrasT]

44. Back to Alaska, sweetheart.

We don't need your kind anywhere near the Federal government...

[jtsterling]

45. Palin's Church of Tongue-Talkers and Faith Healers!

I did some research on my own yesterday, some of this you may know, some you may not. Please feel free to share this with others:

Palin's new "Home Church" is a Charismatic church

Sarah Palin "sometimes worships (or attends services) at the Juneau Christian Center, which is also part of the Pentecostal Assemblies of God, said Brad Kesler, business administrator of the denomination's Alaska District. But her home church is The Church on the Rock, an independent congregation."

source: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g4-w_DCWffagBaQb8Il9a0R2hkPAD92SL7E00

The very word "Pentecostal" equates to "cult" to most mainstream Evangelicals. So of course she's going to attempt to distance herself... and by using the term "Non-Denominational" or "Independent" she has fooled quite a few already.

As Charismatics they believe in all 21 gifts of the spirit

I did some research to get it straight from the horse's mouth.

Let's listen to the Pastor of Sarah Palin's "Home Church", The Church on the Rock:

http://www.churchontherockak.org/video/

On this Media page of the website for The Church on the Rock. You will find under the year 2008 Pastor David Pepper's sermon "Feed Yourself" - 25:27 minutes in to the video he encourages his Charismatic congregation to "contend for the miraculous", "contend for the healings", "contend for all the 21 gifts of the spirit" - guess what? That includes speaking in tongues and healing people by putting your hands on them. He talks about church members going out and "prophesying" and "healing" people on the streets. Sound pretty freaking nutty to me.

Here is the list of superpowers these people claim to possess

Sarah Palin's Pastor and Spiritual Leader encourages his congregation to seek the 21 Gifts of the Spirit.

This includes the 9 Charismatic gifts, or what I call "Superpowers":

(1) Word of Wisdom — A Word means "a supernaturally imparted fragment." Wisdom generally means a practical skill in the affairs of life, such as prudence, decision making.

(2) Word of Knowledge — Supernaturally inspired utterance of facts.

(3) Faith — Supernatural impartation of assurance in God.

(4) Gifts of Healings — Supernaturally ministering health to the sick.

(5) Working of Miracles — Supernatural intervention of natural laws. The Greek describes it as "works of power" and implies instantaneous results.

(6) Prophecy — A supernaturally inspired utterance from God. A genuine prophetic utterance never contradicts, neither is equal to, the written Word of God. To forthtell or foretell. To speak from the mind of God. (Prophecies are to be judged according to 1 Cor. 14:29, 1 Thes. 5:20-21).

(7) Discerning of Spirits — This gift enables one to discern a person's spiritual character and the source of his actions and messages, such as the Holy Spirit, demon spirits, the human spirit or the flesh.

(8) Different Kinds of Tongues — Supernaturally imparted utterance in an unlearned language. The purpose is to edify the body. This is distinguished from "praying" in tongues, which is intended to edify one's own spirit (1 Cor. 14:14). A message in tongues to the body is always to be interpreted (by another gift), and is limited to three within a gathering (1 Cor. 14:27).

(9) Interpretation of Tongues — To interpret a message in tongues into the understandable language of the hearers. It is not a "translation" but an interpretation.

You will notice that "Working Miracles" and "Gifts of Healing" are two different things.

These folks actually believe that they can Supernaturally dispense with the laws of nature and perform miracles instantaneously, such as pulling people out of wheel chairs and making the lame to walk.

[hootinholler]

47. Hmmm....

A: The tax status of that church should be immediately challenged. This is politics from the pulpit.

B: These guys put the mental in fundamental!

-Hoot

[merh]

49. Now I know why they are preparing her for the RNC speech

krist on a trailer hitch, she is horrible - can you imagine her looking out at the RNC delegates saying "you all are so cool" - "you guys look so cool" - and I can also see why her TV sports anchor job didn't last. :eyes:

[Javaman]

50. meh, like I told a jehovah witness that came to my door one day...

"threatening me with eternal hell means nothing to me, I have a table reserved."

:)

[LSK]

51. well he certainly hit a homerun with the fundy fringe groups

While scaring away everyone else.

:rofl:

[Orsino]

52. Iraq-as-Crusade is soooo 2003.

Mammon is her god.

[Orsino]

53. "Pray that there is a plan, and that that plan is God's plan."

Hoping for a plan in Cheney's war is also waaaay out of date.

[CabalPowered]

56. Whoa

That is must-see TV.

:wow:

[puebloknot]

57. I'm an editor. So maybe I'm a fanatic about the use of language.

But in that whole speech at the church, I heard one word in which she pronounced the "ing" ending. All the rest were "helpin', doin', hopin', makin'," and so forth, ad infinitum.

Just imagine this Pentecostal aficionado talkin' affairs of state with, say, the heads of state of Europe, The British Isles, Asia, South America and, most of all, Russia! Any of them most likely have better English skills than Sarah Palin possesses.

Disgustin', ain't it?????

[WorseBeforeBetter]

63. Considering Dubya has been in office for nearly 8 years...

I think they're used to it, but I agree with you. And Caribou Barbie's use of "awesome" was rather impressive... she sounded like a Valley Girl/cheerleader hybrid.

[puebloknot]

71. We're a laughing stock before the world that this woman is even under consideration ...

... for high public office. There's still time for her to withdraw, after the convention but before the election, because of family issues, as the heat gets more intense over her record in Alaska. But, yes, we've seen the bar so lowered by Bushco that the lame, the halt, and the blind can now seriously consider running for the highest offices in the land. And we're all being encouraged to keep our opinions to ourselves via the medium of pepper spray and cattle pens.

What a thought to start the day with!

[Pisces]

59. Certain parts should be played on a loop for 2 weeks straight.

[Douglas Carpenter]

60. thank you!! Kick and recommended!!

[mhatrw]

61. This is the craziest. K&R&Bookmarked. n.t

[TwilightGardener]

62. "Red Headed Sasquatch for Jesus!"--you can't make this shit up.

[TheKentuckian]

66. The points aren't especially her beliefs

but her bent towards theocracy. Look how seamlessly she weaves church and state. How she proposes it as a cooperation.

I'm a Christian and certainly believe many Democrats shown too much disdain for all people of faith but mostly for Christians. That establishing religion does not equate separation of church and state to the point of banning a nativity scene or a Christmas tree at the firehouse, or kids being in trouble for wearing a symbol of their faith.

I'm not associated with the Sara Palin's of the world. I understand that she wants to establish law, policy, and society based on her beliefs. That is what will bother all sane Americans. Part of what our freedom of religion is people can believe what they will but none of us can decide what we will all believe in.

Again, the beliefs aren't the point of Palin's extremism. The point is like a radical cleric in the middle east she is comfortable as an old pair of slippers with basing laws and policies on her own personal beliefs.
None of us have beliefs so air tight we should feel comfortable basing our society on them without debate or any further context.

This chick is dangerous and batshit well beyond any speaking in tongues, so I'll save why these extreme "Christians" ignore Jesus and go right for Old Testament Jewish law (but only the fire and brimstone portions) to live under. They're NEVER pushing Jubilee because that clashes with their true god-greed for the dollar. They'll never talk about the book of Ruth and how the law required wheat be left for the poor to glean because that drives back at their welfare tantrums. They can never testify how awesome a God my God is because they put the power that creates the universe into a box. They hate science! They hate discovery and knowledge. My God despairs that his children will suffer and cease due to lack of knowledge. No doubt that is the special Republican brand of prideful ignorance!

Anyway

Palin=Theocrat

should say it all without attacking any particular views. Use that as nothing more than a frame of reference for those you know in these matters. The general attack is that she openly desires to impose her beliefs on society based entirely because her book says.

[SeattleGirl]

64. I hope she sounds like this Wednesday night.

Yeah, it'll give the Fundies a wet dream, but I think it may turn a LOT of people OFF!

Edited to add: That prayer by the preacher at the end nearly had me wanting to run screaming from the room! I've had quite enough of the fundie right wing evangelicals and their fucking bullshit!!

[the Sundance Kid]

65. so who here thinks McCain's crew has seen all these little goodies?

what with their full day of hardcore vetting and all...
:rofl:

Reap the Whirlwind, McBastard!
Reap it!

[uponit7771]

67. Be afraid, be very mutha fuckin afraid

[mod mom]

68. the reason it's ok for white unmarried 17 yo to have babies is because they believe

they are creating Christian warriors for the future. :mad:

[puebloknot]

69. Hey! Wasn't there a guy named Hitler who had a similar idea? Have one for the Reich? nt

[Zuiderelle]

70. She's like the anti-christ, I tell you. This is fucking scary.

Not only is she religious, but she is also voraciously self-serving. She asks people to pray for her agenda items and she appears to be manipulating her "love for god" into votes and political support. A Shyster, a prettier, gutsier Tammy Faye Baker. What's under the covers? There have to be illegal things to be found there.

She scares me a bit. I hope most people are scared by her too.

[snooper2]

73. Wow, some real fucking fundies there

:rofl:

People like this scare me and CRACK ME UP :rofl: at the same time.....



Clap for God :rofl:

Alaska is a refuge state; 100's of thousands of people will come here as told in the last days :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Joanne98]

74. Will the media play this video 24/7 like they did Rev Wright? NO!

[JenniferJuniper]

79. In the cafeteria here a little while ago they had on a LOCAL news broadcast

that was showing part of this tape.

Of course, I'm in Boston, but still.....

[terrya]

75. This is seriously scary. I hope Olbermann has a copy of this.

Among many others. This shit needs to be aired often.

[Duncan Grant]

76. Her work "doesn't do any good unless the people of Alaska's heart are right with God". (4:20)

:banghead:
edit: It gets worse. See 10:15 -- Oh, brother.

[catgirl]

77. Bookmarked for later!

[katty]

78. Another whacko fundie-too much Northern Exposure

[AzDar]

80. Speechless.

:wow:

[kimmylavin]

81. That's a church???

When the video started, I thought I was looking at a recording studio.

Oh, and she scares the crap out of me...