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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 06:56 PM
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the plan for november 5th.
so, there is a thread here about talk at the rnc about "the bradley effect" and people talking openly about fixing the election. personally, i do not think that obama would accept it. he is both too smart and too brave to accept it. his law practice here was civil rights and voting rights cases. i think he would sooner eat ground glass that let them steal another one.
but it has been nagging me, like it has so many others here on du, and irl. i get the jitters thinking about those days in nov. '04, logging on here every day, hoping for news, hoping for evidence. just plain hoping. and i also remember everyone's firm conviction that we would not sit still if it was stolen.
the trouble was, we didn't know that we wouldn't know. that the evidence would trickle out, that some would pledge to fight, but do nothing. i'm just not gonna go there about john kerry. he was only one of them.

so, there was no one to sound the call. no one to anoint the plan.
now, i think most of us know there will be attempts. pockets of crime. "glitches" and probably phony results will be accepted.
so, what will we do this time? how will we know?

well, i know that du can seem like the world, and the idea that barack would lose seems like an idea from outer space here. and maybe it isn't that way outside of here. but, i gotta tell ya, i have been to iowa 3 times, and every time brought back 60% or more tallies for barack. i mean, really, even in dubuque.
how will we know? easy. if barack obama is not declared the winner, you know they are lying. and if it gets that far, i have grave doubts that du will be here for us to make a plan. so we need one now.
here is my suggestion-
on november 5, if barack obama is not declared the winner, we must converge on washington, park ourselves in the streets, shut it down, and not be moved.

who is with me?
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:03 PM
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1. I live in Iowa
It all started for him here. And as far as Dubuque, that is a heavily Democratic city and probably always will be. Als keep in mind that Eastern Iowa borders on Illinois, which is heavily Democratic, and where Obama is a Senator. My plan for Nov. 5 is to have a good breakfast and revel in the Democratic victories both nationally and locally.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:10 PM
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4. true about the illinois border thing, but
i tell ya, i talked to some tough customers.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:07 PM
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2. It would be a real hardship on me to travel to DC
But I would do it.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:08 PM
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3. A friend I work with on election reform went to the DNC with BBV toolkit and new DVD...
Edited on Tue Sep-02-08 07:11 PM by MarjorieG
Stealing America. She said 95% understood the problem, met many delegates, but they didn't know what to do. She was able to talk for one minute insisting they get computer people at the polls, involved with the election. That's aside from the purging and ID problems.

So maybe...

I've been more than a couple of times to DC, and the issue is impossible. They don't understand or fear enough, with some assuming electronics will catch up by the time they pass electronics based systems legislation. (No one wants my prefernce for mechanical) We need to be alert to the Feinstrin Bill and oppose it, for now.

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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:12 PM
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5. The best defense to this...
...is to get out the vote. The more people that vote, the more Democrats get elected. If there is an overwhelming turnout, it will be harder for them to fudge the elections. There will be exit pollsters in the battleground states, and if there is too much discrepancy, lawsuits will be filed, and people will be held responsible.

So we each have to do our job, and get out the vote.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:22 PM
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7. there is no such number if they are determined
i think it will be a landslide, but they can see what is coming down the road, and they know what they will have to do. they have little to lose. i don't think they will go quietly.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:13 PM
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6. if the honest newspaper pollings are totally shown to be "wrong" despite clear margins for Obama
then I will either leave this country within 1 year, or march with a million others, I'm sure. There's no way there's more ignorant people out there after all the B*sh nazis have done, and how bad a candidate McSame is, and now his clueless 'never left the country' VP pick added in, than there are good people who realize it's time for change!


MORE AT www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:26 PM
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8. it would be well if Obama were to somehow let us know he's cognizant of the issue
Kerry must have spoken to him about it.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:30 PM
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9. i wonder if kerry even knows.
really. i don't want to even think about it.
i just can't see obama sitting still for it.
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 08:15 PM
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10. Oh he knows... I am CERTAIN that he has been briefed on the issue.
Greg Palast's book, "Armed Madhouse," articulates it perfectly. I am sure that at least one of his staffers has read at least this book, and the team is fully prepared for the Republican election fraud.
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