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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 06:59 PM
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Please- I need help to rebut my puke co-workers on taxes.
Does anyone have a chart about the difference in Obama's and mccane's tax plans? All of the dummies I know, and there are many, swear that Obama will raise their taxes. These are poor people, sucked into a repuke talking point, and I need facts! Help me, it may gain us a few votes. If I can get a good comparison, I'll print up a dozen or so and pass them out.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:02 PM
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1. Do I...
http://bushcheated04.com/rapid/

It's in the right navigation, first link
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:06 PM
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7. thanks for that link....bookmarking
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:03 PM
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2. Play Obama's acceptance speech for them...
...there he said that he would lower taxes for the middle class, and raise them on the rich!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:03 PM
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3. here....
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lob1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:03 PM
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4. Obama has said many times that only people making more than
$250,000 will be taxed.
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demmiblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:04 PM
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5. Here you go...
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:06 PM
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6. Show them this.
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Indiana_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:06 PM
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8. I got this in an email from a fellow volunteer:
Concerning tax increases proposed by the two presidential candidates.

The following is taken from NYTimes Magazine.

"McCain, by continuing the basic thrust of Bush's tax policies and adding a few new wrinkles, would cut taxes for the top 0.1 percent of earners -- those making an average of $9.1 million -- by another $190,000 a year, on top of the Bush reductions. Obama would raise taxes on this top 0.1 percent by an average of $800,000 a year.

It's hard not to look at that figure and be a little stunned. It would represent a huge tax increase on the wealthy families. But it's also worth putting the number in some context. The bulk of Obama's tax increases on the wealthy -- about $500,000 of that $800,000 -- would simply take away Bush's tax cuts. The remaining $300,000 wouldn't nearly
reverse their pretax income gains in recent years. Since the mid-1990s, their inflation-adjusted pretax income has roughly doubled."

That's a good ballpark estimation. Obama would raise McCain's taxes by roughly $800,000; McCain would cut them by about $200,000. That's a million dollar spread. No wonder McCain is so hostile to Obama's economic agenda.

But here's what's really interesting. Obama's proposals would raise his own taxes by hundreds of thousands of dollars, in order to cut the taxes of people who are less fortunate than he is. McCain would cut his own taxes even further than they've already been reduced. And that's everything a voter needs to know about these two men.


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DeeDeeNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:06 PM
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9. Your Obama Tax Cut is:
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:11 PM
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12. I second the above site.
Doesn't get much easier then just letting them see exactly what they'll pay with Obama vs. McCain.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:35 PM
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16. The Obama camp really should pick up this site...
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:08 PM
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10. You may want to remind them of Shurb's trillion dollar war....
A horrendous burden on your children's, children's, children.

We will be paying off the mistake for a couple of generations - that will cost us far more then any Obama tax on the very wealthy.
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:09 PM
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11. self - delete FrenchieCat had it up
Edited on Tue Sep-02-08 07:10 PM by WIllo
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Claire Beth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:15 PM
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13. I had a link....
Edited on Tue Sep-02-08 07:17 PM by Claire Beth
a good link for the tax charts...will try to find a way to post it for you.

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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:33 PM
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14. factcheck.org has been hammering McCain on his tax lies about Obama

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/a_new_stitch_in_a_bad_pattern.html

excerpts from articles)
A New Stitch in a Bad Pattern
September 2, 2008
A McCain ad wrongly claims Obama plans "painful tax increases" for working families. And who's talking about deficits?

Summary
McCain's new ad puts another stitch in what we've called his pattern of deceit on Obama's tax plan. This one claims Obama and congressional Democrats plan to push forward "painful tax increases on working American families" and that they will bring about "years of deficits," "no balanced budgets" and "billions in new government spending."

The ad is plain wrong about higher taxes on working families. In fact, Obama's economic plan would produce a tax cut for the majority of American households, with middle-income earners benefiting most. As for "years of deficits," exactly the same claim could be made about McCain's program. It's unlikely either Obama or McCain would balance the budget, and both are projected to increase the debt by trillions.

Analysis
We've already reported on at least three other ads, in both Spanish and English, from Sen. John McCain's campaign that distort his rival's tax policy. The ads claim that, for example, Democratic Sen. Barack Obama would raise taxes "on the sale of your home" and that he has a "history of raising taxes" and that he wanted to raise taxes on "families" making just $42,000 a year.

Claims like these have led us to say that McCain's campaign is engaging in a "pattern of deceit" when it comes to describing Obama's tax plan. This most recent ad fits right into the template.


Other good articles on McCain's lies about Obama's tax plan:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/more_tax_deceptions.html

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/mccains_small-business_bunk.html

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_32000_question.html
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 07:34 PM
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15. Demand to know their sources. Then challenge them to go find FACTS
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