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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:20 PM
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Peggy Noonan in Damage-Control Mode, (WSJ Online)
Open Mic Night at MSNBC
September 3, 2008

St. Paul

Well, I just got mugged by the nature of modern media, and I wish it weren't my fault, but it is. Readers deserve an explanation, so I'm putting a new top on today's column and, with the forbearance of the Journal, here it is.

Wednesday afternoon, in a live MSNBC television panel hosted by NBC's political analyst Chuck Todd, and along with Republican strategist Mike Murphy, we discussed Sarah Palin's speech this evening to the Republican National Convention. I said she has to tell us in her speech who she is, what she believes, and why she's here. We spoke of Republican charges that the media has been unfair to Mrs. Palin, and I defended the view that while the media should investigate every quote and vote she's made, and look deeply into her career, it has been unjust in its treatment of her family circumstances, and deserved criticism for this.

When the segment was over and MSNBC was in commercial, Todd, Murphy and I continued our conversation, talking about the Palin choice overall. We were speaking informally, with some passion -- and into live mics. An audio tape of that conversation was sent, how or by whom I don't know, onto the internet. And within three hours I was receiving it from friends far and wide, asking me why I thought the McCain campaign is "over", as it says in the transcript of the conversation. Here I must plead some confusion. In our off-air conversation, I got on the subject of the leaders of the Republican party assuming, now, that whatever the base of the Republican party thinks is what America thinks. I made the case that this is no longer true, that party leaders seem to me stuck in the assumptions of 1988 and 1994, the assumptions that reigned when they were young and coming up. "The first lesson they learned is the one they remember," I said to Todd -- and I'm pretty certain that is a direct quote. But, I argued, that's over, those assumptions are yesterday, the party can no longer assume that its base is utterly in line with the thinking of the American people. And when I said, "It's over!" -- and I said it more than once -- that is what I was referring to. I am pretty certain that is exactly what Todd and Murphy understood I was referring to. In the truncated version of the conversation, on the Web, it appears I am saying the McCain campaign is over. I did not say it, and do not think it. In fact, at an on-the-record press symposium on the campaign on Monday, when all of those on the panel were pressed to predict who would win, I said that I didn't know, but that we just might find "This IS a country for old men." That is, McCain may well win. I do not think the campaign is over, I do not think this is settled, and did not suggest, back to the Todd-Murphy conversation, that "It's over."

However, I did say two things that I haven't said in public, either in speaking or in my writing. One is a vulgar epithet that I wish I could blame on the mood of the moment but cannot. No one else, to my memory, swore. I just blurted. The other, more seriously, is a real criticism that I had not previously made, but only because I hadn't thought of it. And it is connected to a thought I had this morning, Wednesday morning, and wrote to a friend. Here it is. Early this morning I saw Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, and as we chatted about the McCain campaign (she thoughtfully and supportively) I looked into her eyes and thought, Why not her? Had she been vetted for the vice presidency, and how did it come about that it was the less experienced Mrs. Palin who was chosen? I didn't ask these questions or mention them, I just thought them. Later in the morning, still pondering this, I thought of something that had happened exactly 20 years before. It was just after the 1988 Republican convention ended. I was on the plane, as a speechwriter, that took Republican presidential nominee George H.W. Bush, and the new vice presidential nominee, Dan Quayle, from New Orleans, the site of the convention, to Indiana. Sitting next to Mr. Quayle was the other senator from that state, Richard Lugar. As we chatted, I thought, "Why him and not him?" Why Mr. Quayle as the choice, and not the more experienced Mr. Lugar? I came to think, in following years, that some of the reason came down to what is now called The Narrative. The story the campaign wishes to tell about itself, and communicate to others. I don't like the idea of The Narrative. I think it is ... a barnyard epithet. And, oddly enough, it is something that Republicans are not very good at, because it's not where they live, it's not what they're about, it's too fancy. To the extent the McCain campaign was thinking in these terms, I don't like that either. I do like Mrs. Palin, because I like the things she espouses. And because, frankly, I met her once and liked her. I suspect, as I say further in here, that her candidacy will be either dramatically successful or a dramatically not; it won't be something in between.

But, bottom line, I am certainly sorry I blurted my barnyard ephithet, I am certainly sorry that someone abused my meaning in the use of the words, "It's over", and I'm sorry I didn't have the Kay Baily Hutchison thought before this morning, because I could have written of it. There. Now: onto today's column.

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http://online.wsj.com/public/article/declarations.html
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:21 PM
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1. Yeah whatever Peggy...can't take it back now. nt
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FARAFIELD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:25 PM
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9. That column was a whole bunch of words

"It's over" was a much shorter version. Sort of reminds me of what the cops said when describing why they wailed Rodney King, then we saw it. There isnt anyone out there that she will convince. Nice (verbose) try though.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:21 PM
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2. Too late Peggster n/t
Edited on Wed Sep-03-08 07:39 PM by madmax
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:22 PM
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3. More like mugged by her own mouth
Keep shifting the blame baby !
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Nipper1959 Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:23 PM
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4. Nice try
NOT!
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:24 PM
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5. Bwahaahah... Her Excuse is SOOOOO LAME! That's What You Call B.S. on the grass of Truth!
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:24 PM
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6. What Ms. Noonan really meant to say was . . .
Edited on Wed Sep-03-08 07:25 PM by MrModerate
"McCain is full of bullshit. It's over."
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:24 PM
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7. the incessant lying and relentless harping on homey fucking values
is driving me mad
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:25 PM
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8. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Stop, Peggy.
All you're doing is making it worse. Barnyard epithet, LMAO!!!!
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:26 PM
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10. Bullshit Peggy
Nice backpeddling.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:26 PM
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11. HA ha!
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:27 PM
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12. Is it just me or are all the Repubs having fruedian slips?! Between Palin and the operatives
Edited on Wed Sep-03-08 07:28 PM by vaberella
McCain campaign *is* over.
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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:27 PM
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13. She got "mugged"? I think she means "busted"!
Edited on Wed Sep-03-08 07:27 PM by Puzzler
Geez, she said what she said. It was pretty clear what she meant too. But to Repugs who live in an alternate reality, it really doesn't matter what you say or do, does it?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:30 PM
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16. peggy noonan got Busted and she has
no idea:think: who got it on the internet:)

Can't wait to hear mike murphy's mea culpa about their duet.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:28 PM
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14. peggy lives in a barnyard! I
knew it!
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:28 PM
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15. I Hear Tap Dancing
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:38 PM
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17. How verbose. And how unbelievable. Nice try Peggy. nt
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mascarax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:39 PM
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Have some self respect!
"It's over" was obvious. Stop with the blathering.
You got busted. Own up.
Sheesh.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:39 PM
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18. "I am certainly sorry I blurted my barnyard ephithet"
Spin your way out of this one, you sorry old cow.

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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:40 PM
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19. Since it was just audio you didnt see that my fingers were crossed the whole time
and as soon as the mic was off, I said "psyc!".

Really I did.
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:40 PM
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20. Hey Peggy,
you can't unring the bell.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:41 PM
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21. rethuglicons only tell the truth when they think no one is listening
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:56 PM
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22. What a liar, easily exposed as such
Edited on Wed Sep-03-08 07:59 PM by Awsi Dooger
Did anyone read her desperate deflection? She claims with "It's over" she was referring to, "the party can no longer assume that its base is utterly in line with the thinking of the American people."

Glorified BS. The topic is Palin as VP and Murphy specifically emphasizes electoral strategy, using a governor from a blue state at VP. Murphy says "It's not gonna work," again referring to strategy, and Noonan immediately responds, "It's over." Noonan wants us to believe she magically changed reference point and Todd and Murphy knew it.

Smug liar supreme.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 07:57 PM
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23. What was it they said when Jesse Jackson said something about
Barack Obama and genitalia?

Oh, yes ... all those years of being in the media, you act like the microphone is always live? Should have done like Monica Lewinsky should have done ... kept your mouth shut ...
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 08:03 PM
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24. Shockingly poor work from a professional speech-writer...
I had to read the damned thing twice just to understand what in the hell she was saying. If nobody can understand it, they're certainly not going to believe it.
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