Lay off Trig.

[AZBlue]

If you want to criticize the way he was shuffled around, shown little to no affection by anyone and used totally as a "prop" tonight, go for it. I found it appalling.

But don't pick on the baby. He's four months old. He has Down Syndrome. He was in a situation that, in my opinion, no four month old should have been. It was noisy, hot, bright and crowded. I am very sorry and saddened that he has such a ruthless and uncaring mother who would put him in that situation.

[scheming daemons]

1. Nobody HAS picked on the baby...... not ONE post........

[apnu]

11. Are you kidding me?

I saw some one call him the "prop"

Another said he was "plastic"

another: Get him a crib

Several: does he ever move? Why is he always sleeping?

[cherokeeprogressive]

52. Saw this in a subject line: "Is Trig Palin ever AWAKE?" N/T

[boppers]

57. One by one:

PROP: Trig is being used as one. The attack is on those using him.
PLASTIC: He's paraded around, like a toy, a symbol. The attack is on those parading.
GET HIM A CRIB: I saw this on private email lists, this career event is more important to some people than Trig is. Again, the attack is on the abuse of a child to forward a career.
MOVE/SLEEPING: I think these are honest questions from folks who don't know much about how different kids have different needs. Those people need education, not shaming.

[AZBlue]

13. Oh really?

Really?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6916631

[DeepBlueC]

2. it's Down Syndrome, no "s"

[AZBlue]

14. Thank you - corrected!

[olkaz]

3. Seriously, who was picking on trig?

Links please.

[AZBlue]

19. Here you go:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6916631

[TheDonkey]

31. hardly an offensive statement. Sorry but stop trying to create fauxrage.

[AZBlue]

38. Stop accusing me falsely.

[TheDonkey]

42. boosting your post #'s are you. Stop blanket condemnations. see a post you don't like address it

there. As this is hardly some sort of epidemic you make it out to be.

[AZBlue]

49. Yeah, that's what I was doing.

I didn't like your post, I addressed it.

[AlCzervik]

4. no kidding!

[IndianaGreen]

5. Frak off with your strawman post!

:puke:

[AZBlue]

12. What the fuck are you talking about?

[4_Legs_Good]

6. Jump the gun a little?

Who the hell would diss on the baby?

David

[AZBlue]

21. Um...other DU'ers.

[cherokeeprogressive]

Paraphrasing another DU'er's subject line here: Is that baby ever AWAKE? n/t

[lady raven]

7. Actually, he was shown some very sweet affection

by his sister Piper (The "hairlicker". Kind of gross, yes, but very sweet nonetheless).

[AZBlue]

25. You're right, she did.

[RollWithIt]

8. Lay off the 5 month old baby who gets passed off from one arm to the next for hours on end....

Who are you trying to protect?

[AzDar]

9. I find it hard to believe that ANY DU'ers attacked the baby.

Period.

[liberalmuse]

10. I think people are concerned..

that he's being passed around like a prop. That is a beautiful, precious baby. But though I didn't watch, I've been reading that he was shuffled from one person to another. Who brings a baby to a Convention? Especially one with that ugly of an atmosphere? :mad:

[juajen]

47. Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.

Admit it, if they had left him at home, everyone would be posting that they were ashamed of their special needs child.

[apocalypsehow]

15. Ah, but didn't you get the memo from the purists here? He's "fair game" because of who his Mom

happens to be - picking on a four month old infant with Downs Syndrome is completely justified if YUR SERIOUS ABOUT FIGHTING THE REPUGS AND WINNINGG!!!!!!!!!!11111

And if you disagree with publicly mocking a four month old infant with Downs Syndrome whose Mom is a repuke yuuuurrr a freeeper fuckin' trolllllllllll!!!

That seems to be the consensus among the noisy hereabouts.

(But, personally, I agree with you. :thumbsup: )

[rwheeler31]

35. We will never talk about babies or politics again.

Where is Iceland?

[apocalypsehow]

46. Yeah, 'cuz it's only in Iceland that they don't think it's cool to attack infants with Downs

in order to advance some dreary political point on a website somewhere...Iceland only!!!

( :eyes: )

[apocalypsehow]

48. Yeah, 'cuz it's only in Iceland that they don't think it's cool to attack infants with Downs

in order to advance some dreary political point on a website somewhere...Iceland only!!!

( :eyes: )

[greguganus]

39. Amen. The Obama's had their children with them too in Denver.

Just because they were old enough not to be held, were they "props" too? Some people on here have no heart. That woman has enough skeletons in her closet we don't need to attack the family.

[kath]

66. oh, gack, another one from my Ignorant list comes out of the woodwork and is OUTRAGED.

over something that hasn't happened.

spare us.
Maybe you need to find another board with ignorant emoter types, and you can wail some more about how everyone picked on St. Timmeh.

[apocalypsehow]

75. You normally have me on *Ignore*? I'm flattered!!!

I don't even know who the fuck you are - and can't remember ever seeing one of your posts.

Which no doubt says something about your intellectual fecundity....

:hi:

[kath]

76. no, not "ignore", My "Ignorant" list. You rate in the very highest category -

FSWI - Freakin' Stubbornly Willfully Ignorant.

You *really* distinguished yourself during the canonization of St. Timmeh of Buffalo (in addition to being in the "highest" category, you won a special annotation for being a MajorLeagueA*^%#@!.) A lot of ignorant and emotive types came out of the woodwork during that whole fandango.

And now they appear again.

:hi:

[hasssan1]

16. Man , freepers are out tonight

[apocalypsehow]

24. Yep. Case in point. n/t.

[AZBlue]

26. You're calling me a freeper?

Want to re-think that comment?

[greguganus]

45. Who in the hell are you calling a freeper? Why don't you donate to DU for wasting bandwidth? n/t

[erinlough]

17. Did you listen to the speech?

Do you get it that they don't care about the baby as much as you apparently do? It is a prop to these nut bags! On top of this the child will probably not remember what was said about him when he was 4 months old. This is a non issue.

[IsItJustMe]

18. Another bull shit post. You damn protenders.

[AZBlue]

28. Are you fucking kidding?

Really, are you?

[WindRiverMan]

20. I think people are trying to offer a voice for the poor kid

NO baby, special needs or not, at four months old has any business in a place like that. She used him for the "I have a special needs baby and it makes me a wonderful person" prop, and it's borderline abuse. That baby belonged in a bathtub and a quiet bed, and shame on her for using him that way.


Christian my Ass

[AZBlue]

30. I totally agree with that. But "why doesn't he cry" and "what's his problem, he's not awake ever"

is just as bad as the treatment he got from his family tonight.

[DeschutesRiver]

50. No baby of mine, special needs or not

would have been subjected to that kind of event at that age.

She is a fucking hypocrite who should have that child taken away from her care, if she continues to abuse it like this. This is a very young life we are talking about here - and with Down's Syndrome, all the noise, and lights and commotion going on? Indeed it was borderline child abuse, and I don't give a shit what anyone about thinks about my opinion.

Any more than I give a shit about their opinion if they are asking me to lay off on that aspect. The only thing worse than someone doing that to a very young special needs baby is anyone who can't find the balls to call the parents out on that.

[zulchzulu]

22. It was child abuse... pure and simple

Downs Syndrome babies are particularly sensitive to noise and light. Palin is a cold-hearted mother who used her son (or...) for political gain.

[boppers]

23. Pointing out the abuse, and manipulation, of Trig...

..is not attacking Trig.

Okay, fine, If she wants to use and abuse him, we shall notice it, and call her on it.

But child abuse in the name of "political" theater is uncool.

Always.

[AZBlue]

32. See post 30

[boppers]

54. Use it as learning points.

A lot of folks honestly have no idea why children with various needs behave in the ways they do.

"Why is he unresponsive?" "It could be because he's totally overloaded with stimuli, or was medicated, or was tired."

Talking about these issues is a good thing, as it rips the stigma off people behaving differently because they're, well, different.

Taking it a level further, while there is a possible underlying (rather ugly) insinuation that the child was sedated for "image" purposes, it's also possible that Trig has seizure complications, and he is regularly sedated for his own health and safety.

[Doremus]

27. Why don't you tell that to the people who are abusing him?

I haven't seen a single person here saying any derogatory about him.

What a fucked up thread.

[AZBlue]

33. What a fucked up post.

Open your eyes and read some of the nasty comments - some mentioned in post 30 - that are on DU tonight.

[Name removed]

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[AZBlue]

40. Don't let it through you off DU.

I think many people on this thread have misunderstood what I was saying in the OP due to the fact that emotions are running very high tonight.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[Name removed]

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[Moochy]

62. Then use the alert and stop this bs

This accomplishes nothing but make you feel better about your hand-wringing. Knock it off.

[Name removed]

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[Moochy]

65. welcome to du, im just saying ALERT the posts which violate rules.

My comment to "use alert" is the rules. These kvetching hand-wringing posts serve no purpose but to boost the OP's self-righteous meter.

on edit, bringing it down a notch.

[Beausoir]

29. Trig looked like he was doing just fine. It was adorable when his sister was stroking his hair.

That little cutie licked her palm and smoothed his hair.

Anyone who has a couple of kids, like I do, would recognize that as a sweet gesture.

[AZBlue]

36. She was sweet to him, you're right.

I did forget that part when I wrote the OP.

[AtomicKitten]

34. I thought the exact same thing.

Why doesn't that surprise me?

:hi:

[AZBlue]

43. Great minds think alike!

We've proven it beyond a doubt this evening!!

:hi:

[kitkat65]

41. I just felt bad for the little fella trying to sleep in that noisy crowd.

I'm surprised he wasn't startled awake again and again.

[BlooInBloo]

44. OMG more idiotic handwringing poutrage. Just stop.

[apocalypsehow]

53. Yeah, attacking infant Downs kids is just the very best shit, ain't it? Great strides for our side

can be made campaigning like that, fer sure!

And the McCain camp smiles....

[BlooInBloo]

56. Keep kvetching at something nobody's doing. Have fun.

[apocalypsehow]

58. Guess your browser is really slow, eh? Are you using AOL?

:rofl:

[apocalypsehow]

59. Or, perhaps, it's the ability to read (very well) that plagues our special pleader... n/t.

[apocalypsehow]

63. One suspects a literary council should be consulted.

( References available upon request ). :thumbsup:

[kath]

69. "idiotic handwringing poutrage" -- good one, Bloo.

haven't seen so much emotive ignorance here since the canonization of St.Timmeh. And by some of the same ignoramii.

[mokawanis]

55. I thought we were here to discuss the election

not blather on about whether or not a baby was being picked on or abused or whatever. I'm sick of this kind of thread. Is this DU or People magazine?

[woo me with science]

60. "Shown no affection by anyone"

Funny, I just read several posts on another thread exclaiming that Bristol was holding the baby "too lovingly" for her not to be the mother.

These threads are really getting ridiculous.

[Moochy]

61. Three Cheers for Hand Wringing Baby Defender Posts!

What would DU be without these kinds of posts? Oh that's right better.

[Name removed]

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[Moochy]

70. Self-delete

[Name removed]

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[Moochy]

72. the zombie-troll has left the building

The ZOMBIE-TROLL named fortyfiveauto has left the building.

[iconicgnom]

67. well, no shit.

A person would have to be suffocatingly obnoxious to question the birth of that kid. Icon that it is. I think Sarah has proven herself in that regard.

I don't think her decision gives her the right to force her decision on others. These decisions belong ultimately to the woman herself, not by proxy. That's the ultimate power of women.

[RagAss]

73. Peddle this shit to John McCain and his Nutbag crew .

[Kat45]

74. I felt badly for the baby.

I thought he should have been home sleeping in his own crib. The poor baby didn't know what was going on, I would think all that noise and hoopla and all the people and cameras and such would have been scary.

I also felt badly for the sudden fiance.