CNN: Jeffery Toobin: It was very smug, very sarcastic, very cutting. She no longer a'victim'

[Cush]

and now he's fact checking her speech

[AtomicKitten]

1. I like the sound of that.

[NotThisTime]

4. Me too, so when we take the knives out she won't be a sympathetic tool

[Cha]

41. Yeah, that's what I'm talkin' about..not some

"reminiscent of reagun" shit that the AP comes up with.

[faithfulcitizen]

2. Thank You Jeffery!

[hasssan1]

3. Lets Hit the WITCH with all Force ,

[opihimoimoi]

32. I'm Game.....McNomIcs for starters = Dismal understanding of National /Global Economics..Econ 303

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaI-_ABG_D8

This clip is a Gem

Its Ambition....not Patriotism....

Worse.....

HIM First...Not Country....He admits it

its on YOU TUBE.......link at the top

Its not for US....Its all about HIM......look at him...see the signs....flip flopper, lies, denigrates, disparages, fake smile, 6475876 BPM Rate off the scale....indicating discomfort...., He has chosen someone who is a rookie....barely qualified....especially for the BIG LEAGUE, and

LTC....Low Tear Count...if ya can't make um CRY, Ya leave them DRY...(The Dreaded Tear Card) as in "sniff"

DEM PARTY TEAR COUNT off the Wall...Tissue Usage way up...almost ran out....

GOP DRY EYED CONVENTION ..WHY??? Simply put this Gathering For all their wealth and Power ...Lacked BIZZAZZ....Needed Truth, Reality, and Sanity to spice it up.....but, alas, nada...partials do not count...must be all 3....COMBO3

[LSparkle]

Good ... Toobin is one of the few CNN analysts I still have some faith in

[spanone]

5. i don't think jeffrey likes these people

[1corona4u]

30. He could have left out the "she was better than Biden part"...

that was bullshit.

[Cha]

42. Yeah, Biden had the facts..

and I know lots of people on the ground who told me unsolicted that they loved Joe Biden's speech.

[1corona4u]

54. As a long time Biden suporter, his was not the best I have heard...

but at least it had substance. He's not a scripted speaker, he has to speak off the cuff, but he did well in my mind. Hers, not so much. The two can't be compared.

[Cha]

71. Exactly...that can't even be compared especially by

corporate, celebrity rag mediawhore$.

[1corona4u]

55. Dupe

[ErinBerin84]

6. sounds good to me!

I didn't watch the speech tonight, but she sounds like a piece of work from the threads here.

[C_U_L8R]

7. He'll be lucky to find a single fact

but smug and sarcastic.. yes it was gorged with that brand of hatespeech

[Frank Booth]

23. Right! There weren't any facts.

Just a mean-spirited diatribe by an unqualified person with no ideas on how to help this country.

[GoesTo11]

37. You just described the perfect talk radio host

Maybe after the election she'll do that. I can definitely see it.

[Jennicut]

8. To hell with this bitch. I am a woman and have no respect for her

I hope Obama and Biden go after her on every lie she told in her speech.

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[me b zola]

17. Wolves are noble creatures

There is not one thing about Sarah Palin that is remotely noble.

[truebrit71]

24. Amen to that....nothing remotely noble at all....

....

[LSparkle]

28. Absolutely -- she deserves a WORSE fate than those creatures ...

LYING ASS BITCH.

[me b zola]

34. I know. It saddens and infuriates me

Palin would destroy our environment and the creatures that dwell upon it(and I happen to have an affinity for wolves and polar bears). She is a third rate hack who the gop put a script in front of because she had the demographics desirable for their stage-craft. I can't wait for Sarah to get sent back to Alaska to sit in her own shit before she is thrown out of office there.

[Cha]

43. She told us herself that she was a

pitbull with lipstick. She sure dumped on Wasilla leaving them $20 million in debt, though..is that what pitbulls do?

[me b zola]

48. More like a pig with lipstick

More radical rw coruption...but with lipstick.

[Cha]

72. Precisely...the pig with lipstick left Wasilla in $20Million Debt.

Last night she was a scolding wag.

[Mad_Dem_X]

67. I'm with you

I'm a woman, and this bitch sickens and disgusts me.

[Erin Elizabeth]

68. Yep, and I don't get this whole plea to go easy on her

because she's a woman bullshit.

You want to play the game? Then be prepared to PLAY IT. Don't start screaming for special treatment, get in there and play the game with the big boys and shake it off, rub dirt in it, whatever you have to do, but take it.

[tannybogus]

9. Yeah! There went the victim card.

What's she gonna do? Play "3 Faces of Eve", and cry and whine if she is attacked???

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[MaineDem]

61. What does THAT mean?

I can't stand the woman but your suggestion seems a bit over the top.

[Kdillard]

11. Exactly with this speech I want to hear nothing about this woman

being a victim ever again. She has no class and anyone pitying her is a fool.

[Gabi Hayes]

13. and there was NO response. crickets. same as when Roland Martin

talked about how offensive the demeaning of community organizers

not one word of how nasty the tone was; only how HARD hitting it was

John King finally mentioned the bridge to nowhere, the lobbying, but they might not make much of a deal of it, cause their target is McCain

[merci_me]

14. That voice!!

My husband was watching in another room and came in and said, "Jesus Christ, she sounds like a snarling Roseanne Barr."

[feddup]

15. Ha!

I just wrote in a different thread that she came across as "angry, spiteful, caustic, mocking, condescending (am I missing anything here???)"... Jeffery's right: I guess I was missing smug, sarcastic, and cutting, too!

[kestrel91316]

29. You missed ARROGANT.

[renate]

62. welcome to DU!

:hi:

[eissa]

16. Horrible, absolutely horrible

That whole "deer in headlights" routine she had when first introduced has been squashed, replaced with a "pit bull with lipstick." What an appropriate description she gave herself. Screw the fucking high road, I say we go after her with the proverbial kitchen sink.

[Jade Fox]

18. She was never a victim.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6899251&mesg_id=6899251

[Cha]

45. OH

Yeah!

[greyghost]

19. Gloves off and thrown in dumpster. In the immortal words of Al Bundy,

LETS PARTY!

[mzmolly]

20. Bad strategy IMHO.

They should have rolled her out more patiently as the attack dog if that's where they were going. I think it may backfire?

[Pirate Smile]

36. I was worried she might seem likable and compelling. No problem there - she just seems nasty,

divisive and horrible. I don't want to hear any victim shit from her at all.

[mzmolly]

38. I agree. NO worries on the

likable or compelling thing.

[amborin]

44. you're kidding, right?

the rethugs think she's great

it's not whether *you* or I like her....it's how she plays out for the masses

it hinges greatly on people's emotional reactions....the people, that is, for whom long, nuanced policy positions are just so much 'elite' gobbledegook

this palin is dangerous

i'm convinced rove chose her

[Virginia Dare]

59. I think more people will react negatively to her than positively...

she sounds shrill and negative, plus she's got a lot of personal baggage. The extreme right wing idealogues love her, but they are a small portion of the voters.

[EstimatedProphet]

60. The repubs would like her anyway

It is exactly about how she plays out for the masses. They aren't the masses.

[mzmolly]

70. Nope,

not kidding. I think she came across as snide and phony.

[Virginia Dare]

57. She won't play well outside the GOP ideologues..

her messy personal life and her aggressive ambition won't appeal at all to middle America, and she's only firing up Obama's base even more. Major strategic blunder putting her out there.

[Erin Elizabeth]

69. I heard someone on CNN say she overplayed her hand,

big-time. By coming out all she-bitch and being ugly and nasty, she made it perfectly ok to go after her.

Yay!

[Neshanic]

21. No, this would not be a good idea. Use the same strategy we always use.

[Phredicles]

25. You mean the one where we lose?

[Nedsdag]

22. Jeffrey Toobin, will you marry me???

n/t

[az chela]

26. She was never a VICTIM

[Wapsie B]

56. That's right. This VP nod may have come a few years earlier than she planned

but she's got her goals in life and to hell with anyone who stands in her way.

[kestrel91316]

27. Completely and utterly lacking in humility or gratitude. All about

ME ME ME, look at ME ME ME, and that hateful sarcastic claptrap.

Somebody with fake glasses needs some serious bitchslapping.

[vaberella]

31. I say this opens the door to all attacks.

I'm done with the high road, tonight pissed me off enough!!!

[CakeGrrl]

33. Obama and Biden still have to play it reasonably cool, knowing

the "watchdogs" will be ready to cry 'sexism'. I think they wanted Palin to try and draw them out, but they won't fall for it.

[Awsi Dooger]

35. Toobin was very good tonight

Earlier he ripped McCain for asserting the media was too tough on him. Toobin said that was preposterous based on all the years the media has been in McCain's map.

Toobin said the unstated truth tonight was that Palin's speech was superior to Biden's, far more interesting and better delivered. I thought Biden's speech was fine but it wasn't memorable like Hillary, Bill or Obama.

[Cha]

47. If you find LIES and Insults, interesting.

A lot of people tell me they loved Biden's speech and we aren't even talking about him..just the Convention so it didn't affect everyone like you and Jeffery Toobin.

[Pachamama]

39. Vampires require stakes in the heart

She proved tonight that she is a blood thirsty Vampire.....Obama and Biden don't need to handle her gently....bring out the stakes....

[backscatter712]

40. Sarin showed she can fling the poo alright. Time to let her have it!

I kind of like the name Sarin (I'm not the first to use it...) Perfect nickname for a toxic person!

[Hieronymus]

46. Lots of people are fact checking her speech.

[Canuckistanian]

49. Who portrayed her as a victim? What a strawman.

From what I've seen, she's been ruthless, mean-spirited and petty.

The only victims here are the people she stepped on to make it this far.

[Lisa0825]

50. Right Wing pundits were foaming at the mouth yesterday

about how we were being soooooooo mean to the pretty lady, and how it was pure character assassination.

[bunkerbuster1]

53. And today they will ROOOAR their approval.

Tomorrow they will do whatever they are told by their masters. Sun rises in east, etc.

[PRETZEL]

51. Time will be on our side with her

let her have the rest of the week. Any attack now will be seen negativel, imho.

It won't take very long for America to see her for what she really is, a dressed up talking mannequin that can only spout talking points, a prettier George Bush.

She can only play the "hockey mom" for so long. After this week people are going to start looking at her more as a candidate. Her vast "executive experience":sarcasm: will come shining through in all it's glory long before the first debate. She may a little about oil and can find Russia on a map but that doesn't mean squat.

[underpants]

52. We have a Factcheck!!!!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/04/politics/animal/main4414049.shtml
(Political Animal) Factchecking Palin

I thought Palin's speech was quite good: well-written, well delivered. And, as I said earlier, I think she's a genuinely engaging person, and comes across very well. There were just a couple of problems. One, which I have seen people notice, but which I suspect won't be a big deal for a lot of voters, is that it had very little substance. The other, which the commenters I saw on TV for some reason neglected to mention, was that she told a lot of lies. A few that stood out for me, or that I spotted in my quick run-through of some blogs:

Palin: "To the families of special-needs children all across this country, I have a message: For years, you sought to make America a more welcoming place for your sons and daughters. I pledge to you that if we are elected, you will have a friend and advocate in the White House."


Sarah Palin might have changed her mind on this one recently. However, a comment here notes that Palin actually slashed funding for schools for special needs kids by 62%. Budgets: FY 2007 (pre-Palin), 2008, 2009 (all pdfs).

Palin: "As for my running mate, you can be certain that wherever he goes, and whoever is listening, John McCain is the same man."


Steve's list of McCain flip-flops is here. See for yourself whether constancy is, in fact, John McCain's middle name.

Palin: "I told the Congress "thanks, but no thanks," for that Bridge to Nowhere. If our state wanted a bridge, we'd build it ourselves."


Just to reiterate what others have said: Congress' requirement that funds be spent on that bridge (aka the 'earmark') were removed before Sarah Palin became governor. She was therefore in no position to tell Congress anything about the bridge, one way or the other. During her campaign, she said she supported funding for the bridge. Brad Plumer, citing the Anchorage Dialy News via Nexis:

"5. Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?

Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now--while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."


Later, she accepted the money -- now not restricted by an earmark -- and used it for other infrastructure projects. Here's her statement about why she wasn't building the bridge (also via Plumer.) Decide for yourselves what role a principled opposition to earmark funding plays in it. Hint: here's what residents of Ketchikan AK said when they heard her recent remarks:

"In the city Ketchikan, the planned site of the so-called "Bridge to Nowhere," political leaders of both parties said the claim was false and a betrayal of their community, because she had supported the bridge and the earmark for it secured by Alaska's Congressional delegation during her run for governor. (..)

"People are learning that she pandered to us by saying, I'm for this' ... and then when she found it was politically advantageous for her nationally, abruptly she starts using the very term that she said was insulting," Weinstein said."


Palin: "But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform - not even in the state senate."


Ha, ha, ha. I gave a rundown of Obama's accomplishments in the Senate here. They include the Lugar-Obama bill on nonproliferation, and an ethics reform package that the Washington Post called "the strongest ethics legislation to emerge from Congress yet." Ruth Marcus summarizes his record on reform:

"He helped pass a far-reaching ethics and campaign finance bill in the Illinois state Senate and made the issue a priority on arriving in Washington. Much to the displeasure of his colleagues, Obama promoted an outside commission to handle Senate ethics complaints. He co-authored the lobbying reform bill awaiting President Bush's signature and pushed -- again to the dismay of some colleagues -- to include a provision requiring lawmakers to report the names of their lobbyist-bundlers. He has co-sponsored bills to overhaul the presidential public financing system and public financing of Senate campaigns."


Not a single major law or reform, indeed.

And I wasn't aware that writing memoirs was something to be ashamed of. Obama has, in fact, written only one. McCain (with Mark Salter) has written at least two.

Palin: "America needs more energy ... our opponent is against producing it."


No -- he plans to develop a lot more energy than John McCain does. It's just that a lot of it is renewable, not carbon-based. Moreover, Obama hasn't skipped the last eight votes on renewable energy.

Palin: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes ... raise payroll taxes ... raise investment income taxes ... raise the death tax ... raise business taxes ... and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars. My sister Heather and her husband have just built a service station that's now opened for business - like millions of others who run small businesses. How are they going to be any better off if taxes go up?"


Well, it all depends whose taxes go up, doesn't it? If Heather and her husband make less than $250,000, their taxes will not go up. Most Americans will pay less in taxes under Obama's plan than under McCain's. So they might well be better off.

Those are just the falsehoods that leapt to mind. I'm sure there are others.

Whether or not Sarah Palin's engaging personality matters more than the fact that she tells lies depends a lot on the media, and whether they allow her to say that she opposed the Bridge to Nowhere, or that Obama has neer authored a major law or reform, without calling her on it. I hope they do. But I'm not holding my breath.

[wvbygod]

66. Who is the author: Hilzoy ?

He writes an interesting piece. Does he/she have a name and where can one find more stories by him?

re: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/04/politics/animal/main4414049.shtml

[zulchzulu]

58. Here's a start

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/ap-attacks-praise-stretch_n_123771.html?view=print

[vanderBeth]

63. Mwahahah

:applause:

I've been pleasantly surprised by CNN the last couple of days.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

64. She even has the Cheney lip curl!

It looked like almost an uncontrollable tic!

At any rate, I'm happy she's no longer a doe eyed, don't be mean to Bambi frame(she's a mom!)

to a self described snarling (literally) Republican pit bull.

[Alter Ego]

65. I expect McCain to continue in the same vein tonight

demonizing Barack Obama's motives, character, and family, then POW POW POW and MY FRIENDS.

[Abacus]

73. Yep; Palin took away every defensible appeal for sympathy

I was excited to hear she'd be throwing punches last night.

I don't always agree with Toobin or Gergen, but they're my two favorites for analysis.

[AuntPatsy]

74. Give em time....they are not liking how stupid they are now appearing pandering

to these wingnuts as they have for far far far too long...pride eventualy will gain a hold on anyone..and so many have lost theirs in the news business....