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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 11:16 AM
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So Tell Me, What The Hell Did Rudy Do On 9/11?
He didnt do a damn thing, what the hell are they saying he is 'America's Mayor'
or a Hero?
:puke: :puke: :grr: :puke: :grr: :puke:




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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 11:17 AM
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1. Fair people know he was on site, coordinating with emergency services
How beneficial that was, I don't know, but I have pics of him dirty, sweaty and with the fire department.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 11:19 AM
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2. He sold his soul to the devil soon after that fateful day and the mark has forever stained
any good that he has ever done...I think its more than obvious that anyone who stands too close to that bunch finds themselves marred for eternity as insignificant...
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 11:21 AM
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3. He showed up. He did pretty much what any good mayor would do. NT
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 11:47 AM
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9. BINGO - and he was a REPUBLICAN ...
had he been a D, WHOLE DIFFERENT TAKE on "america's mayor."

My small town, about the size of Wasilla has a great old guy, a life long loyal R, about the age of 73. You would not have noticed the difference between what he would have done and what Ghouliani did, I have been saying that for years. And, as much as I love the guy, I don't want him as president.
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VWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 11:51 AM
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11. Exactly
For a repug, that's about as good as it gets.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 11:22 AM
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4. He was in the town where it happened
In other words, he showed up. Forget that this was what he was hired to do. He's a repub. Everything they do is extraordinary. :sarcasm:
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 11:27 AM
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5. having put the city's emergency services
in a building that was an obvious choice to be attacked, Rudy spent the day wandering the streets.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 11:29 AM
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6. He recognized a golden opportunity.
To personally exploit it.
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nyc 4 Biden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 11:38 AM
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7. ummm...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Giuliani

Preparedness
Main article: September 11, 2001 radio communications
Giuliani has been widely criticized for his decision to locate the Office of Emergency Management headquarters on the 23rd floor inside the 7 World Trade Center building. Those opposing the decision perceived the office as a target for a terrorist attack in light of the previous terrorist attack against the World Trade Center in 1993.<84><85><86> The office was unable to coordinate efforts between police and firefighters properly while evacuating its headquarters.<87> Large tanks of diesel fuel were placed in 7 World Trade to power the command center, and this fuel was later deemed responsible for the intense fire that caused that building to collapse hours after the Twin Towers.<88> In May 2007, Giuliani put responsibility for selecting the location on Jerome M. Hauer, who had served under Giuliani from 1996 to 2000 before being appointed by him as New York City’s first Director of Emergency Management. Hauer has taken exception to that account in interviews and provided Fox News and New York Magazine with a memo demonstrating that he recommended a location in Brooklyn but was overruled by Giuliani. Television journalist Chris Wallace interviewed Giuliani on May 13, 2007, about his 1997 decision to locate the command center at the World Trade Center. Giuliani laughed during Wallace's questions and said that Hauer recommended the World Trade Center site and claimed that Hauer said that the WTC site was the best location. Wallace presented Giuliani a photocopy of Hauer directive letter. The letter urged Giuliani to locate the command center in Brooklyn, instead of lower Manhattan.<89><90><91><92><93> The February 1996 memo read, "The building is secure and not as visible a target as buildings in Lower Manhattan."<94>

In January 2008, an eight-page memo was revealed which detailed the New York City Police Department's opposition in 1998 to location of the city's emergency command center at the Trade Center site. The Giuliani administration overrode these concerns.<95>
The 9/11 Commission noted in its report that lack of preparedness could have led to the deaths of first responders at the scene of the attacks. The Commission noted that the radios in use by the fire department were the same radios which had been criticized for their ineffectiveness following the 1993 World Trade Center bombings. Family members of 9/11 victims have said that these radios were a complaint of emergency services responders for years.<96><97> The radios were not working when Fire Department chiefs ordered the 343 firefighters inside the towers to evacuate, and they remained in the towers as the towers collapsed.<98><99> However, when Giuliani testified before the 9/11 Commission he said that the firefighters ignored the evacuation order out of an effort to save lives.<100><101> Giuliani testified to the Commission, where some family members of responders who had died in the attacks appeared to protest his statements.<102> A 1994 mayoral office study of the radios indicated that they were faulty. Replacement radios were purchased in a $33 million no-bid contract with Motorola, and implemented in early 2001. However, the radios were recalled in March 2001 after a Probationary Firefighter's calls for help at a house fire could not be picked up by others at the scene, leaving firemen with the old analog radios from 1993.<103><104> A book later published by Commission members Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission, argued that the Commission had not pursued a tough enough line of questioning with Giuliani.<105>

An October 2001 study by the National Institute of Environmental Safety and Health said that cleanup workers lacked adequate protective gear.<106><107>
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 11:42 AM
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8. His job was to see that the gold bullion was unearthed and whisked away to safety.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 11:48 AM
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10. He suggested extending his term /nt
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:13 PM
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12. He made sure that the detonations occurred as planned in the towers
He did a heck of a job...
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crazylikafox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:16 PM
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13. RUN...
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Graybeard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:17 PM
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14. Ask NYC Firefighters...they hate his guts.
Refused funds to modernize communications equipment carried by firefighters into burning infernos. He should rot in hell.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:33 PM
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20. I Know
My uncle was the fire chief of White Plains NY, and he knows!!
:hi: :patriot:
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The Craw Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:21 PM
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15. His followers now claim he was NYC's most popular mayor ever
This can't be true- prior to 9/11 didn't most New Yorkers hate this guy?
Wasn't he a union busting a-hole?
And after 9/11, didn't he exploit the tragedy for political gain?

Any New Yorkers here? What do you and most of your fellow New Yorkers think of Giuliani?

I think Koch was a better mayor...
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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:23 PM
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16. He showed up for work.
I did, too. So did thousands of others. Christ, give me a break.
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WA98070 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:23 PM
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17. He tried to find his command center--oops that's right it got blown up.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:25 PM
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18. Stuck his thumb up his ass and managed not to crap himself.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:25 PM
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19. He showed up. Which is what any good executive would do.
See: Bush, Katrina.
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MANative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:37 PM
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21. Well, I was there that day, and can give you a little perspective.
I worked in Manhattan for almost 7 years, and was in my office preparing for a meeting when the news about the 1st tower strike came through. Giuliani did some really bone-headed things and some very good things on that day and throughout the next several days. The most bone-headed was referred to up-thread. He put the command center in the very buildings under attack. He also refused funding to upgrade the communication systems for emergency services. And he certainly didn't help in building any cooperation between the NYPD and the NYFD. All of those decisions had very negative repercussions.

In terms of what he did do well, he made a number of tactical decisions that, while creating major headaches, were really the right choices from a situation management perspective. Things like shutting down traffic into Manhattan, shutting down cellphones (can be used to trigger explosives), getting traffic off the streets to the degree it was possible, and suspending mass transit. He was pretty good about providing updates about what was going on, and what next steps were going to be taken throughout the crisis. He was relatively calm and reassuring in his demeanor, without being cavalier. I felt like I was getting what I needed to know to get me out of the city safely, which finally happened around 4:00 that afternoon.

That said, any competent mayor should and likely would have done those things. He was doing his job, but better decisions and better management prior to that day would have made the toll and the trauma less horrible. I'm sure that, if he has even a little tiny conscience, the things he saw that day will haunt him for the rest of his life. I know they haunt me.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 12:50 PM
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22. He pointed and shouted at people who weren't there, as he walked the streets
rolling his shoulders and bobbing his head up and down. They were non-existent people just beyond camera shot. Rudy wasn't even saying actual words but just pointing and shouting nonsense and non-people. It was one of the greatest acting performance of our times.
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