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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 03:21 PM
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If McCain's POW experience is "so important", why did he demand the records be classified?
McCain will mention his Ever Changing Story (remember the cross in the dirt story?) on how he was a POW. Did I mention that he was a POW?

In 1992, McCain made sure that his records as POW were classified. Why? Because we might give away war secrets to Vietnam, who is now in Most Favored Nation Status? Because it's neat having your shit classified?

This is not a new story.

Many Vietnam veterans and former POWs have fumed at McCain for keeping these and other wartime files sealed up. His explanation, offered freely in Senate hearings and floor speeches, is that no one has been proven still alive and that releasing the files would revive painful memories and cause needless emotional stress to former prisoners, their families and the families of MIAs still unaccounted for. But what if some of these returned prisoners, as has always been the case at the conclusion of wars, reveal information to their debriefing officers about other prisoners believed still held in captivity? What justification is there for filtering such information through the Pentagon rather than allowing access to source materials? For instance, debriefings from returning Korean war POWs, available in full to the American public, have provided both citizens and government investigators with important information about other Americans who went missing in that conflict.

Would not most families of missing men, no matter how emotionally drained, want to know? And would they not also want to know what the government was doing to rescue their husbands and sons? Hundreds of MIA families have for years been questioning if concern for their feelings is the real reason for the secrecy.

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The Truth Bill

In 1989, 11 members of the House of Representatives introduced a measure they called “The Truth Bill.” A brief and simple document, it said: “ head of each department or agency which holds or receives any records and information, including live-sighting reports, which have been correlated or possibly correlated to United States personnel listed as prisoner of war or missing in action from World War II, the Korean conflict and the Vietnam conflict shall make available to the public all such records and information held or received by that department or agency. In addition, the Department of Defense shall make available to the public with its records and information a complete listing of United States personnel classified as prisoner of war, missing in action, or killed in action (body not returned) from World War II, the Korean conflict, and the Vietnam conflict.”

Opposed by Pentagon

Bitterly opposed by the Pentagon, “The Truth Bill” got nowhere. It was reintroduced in the next Congress in 1991 — and again disappeared. Then, suddenly, out of the Senate, birthed by the Arizona senator, a new piece of legislation emerged. It was called “The McCain Bill.” This measure turned “The Truth Bill ” on its head. It created a bureaucratic maze from which only a fraction of the available documents could emerge. And it became law. So restrictive were its provisions that one clause actually said the Pentagon didn’t even have to inform the public when it received intelligence that Americans were alive in captivity.

First, it decreed that only three categories of information could be released, i.e., “information … that may pertain to the location, treatment, or condition of” unaccounted-for personnel from the Vietnam War. (This was later amended in 1995 and 1996 to include the Cold War and the Korean conflict.) If information is received about anything other than “location, treatment or condition,” under this statute, which was enacted in December 199l, it does not get disclosed.

Second, before such information can be released to the public, permission must be granted by the primary next of kin, or PNOK. In the case of Vietnam, letters were sent by the Department of Defense to the 2,266 PNOK. More than 600 declined consent (including 243 who failed to respond, considered under the law to be a “no”).

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Some McCain watchers searching for answers point to his recently published best-selling autobiography, Faith of My Fathers, half of which is devoted to his years as a prisoner. In the book, he says he felt badly throughout his captivity because he knew he was being treated more leniently than his fellow POWs owing to his propaganda value as the son of Adm. John S. McCain II, who was then the CINCPAC — commander in chief of all U.S. forces in the Pacific region, including Vietnam. (His captors considered him a prize catch and nicknamed him the “Crown Prince.”)

Also in the book, the Arizona Senator repeatedly expresses guilt and disgrace at having broken under torture and given the North Vietnamese a taped confession, broadcast over the camp loudspeakers, saying he was a war criminal who had, among other acts, bombed a school. “I felt faithless and couldn’t control my despair,” he writes. He writes, revealing that he made two half-hearted attempts at suicide. Most tellingly, he said he lived in “dread” that his father would find out. “I still wince,” he says, “when I recall wondering if my father had heard of my disgrace.”

http://www.vvof.org/mccain_hides.htm


Are those veterans in the GOP Convention aware of McCain's admitting that he denounced his country (country first?) and was a willing stooge in their plans to make him an example of a fool? Why did McCain go way out of his way to classify what happened when he was a POW? Where are the records now?

Since McCain is willing to question Obama's patriotism and even accuse Obama of not wanting to win a war, shouldn't we ask him what he is hiding from the American people? We'll hear his "story" again tonight and I wish I was in a position to ask him to his face what he is hiding. He wants to use the POW story for political gain. His signs at his convention should read "Denounce Country First".







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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 03:25 PM
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1. Its his AMBITION that drives him...not Patriotism...Country First?? No..its McLumpy First
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 03:34 PM
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2. So Isn't There Some Viet Nam Veterans Group Out There That Can Make An.....
issue of this and force his hand to release this info - or will he hide behind this McCain Bill Law?

Also - I didn't know that he made two-half hearted attempts at suicide. Is this the kind of person we want running our country? Is there still some lingering psychological problem there? Does he hold grudges? Will he want to avenge his captivity when he becomes President?

I'm hoping he loses - because we can append his bio by saying this: "He made two-half hearted attempts at the Presidency."
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 03:42 PM
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5. There IS at least 1 such group. See "Fellow POW Questions McCain's Readiness In New Ad", at URL
See "Fellow POW Questions McCain's Readiness In New Ad", at URL
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6873668
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 03:36 PM
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3. K&R. Democrats outside the campaign IMO must demand that McCain sign Standard Form 180
to release more than 600 secret pages of his secret Navycareer record file unredacted to the media. John Kerry was forced into doing this, just as Hillary clinton was forst to release her First Lady WH records.

IMO, when a candidate's claim on the most important job in the world is predicated on a certain kind of experience, every last bit of documentation of that experience belongs in the public domain.

See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6879910&mesg_id=6879910
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stolivodka Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 03:37 PM
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4. Because he gave LOTS of classified information to the North Vietnamese..
..and his files probably reflect that. It's an issue that is so hot that not even the "evil liberal blogger" brigade seems willing to touch it.

Too bad, since it is far more devastating than pointing out that Sarah Palin raised a delinquent.
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