i dont see what the problem is with palin

[SwampG8r]

i mean for us
she is the best thing that could have happened to us.

how many of the swing voters who would have bridled at having a woman president do you really think will be lining up to put another woman one step away from the oval office?
with the oldest candidate in history as her running mate?

how much of christian america do you really think will line up to have a pentecostal as VP?
not trying to denigrate pentecostal faith but it is extreme and not openly accepted by most of the churches most americans actually attend.

how many?

right now the press is in a mode to build palin up (and mccain)
its what they do
they build it up and then they tear it down
its a better story if they get good build up

she is acting as a distraction
she is keeping focus from mccain
he is a terrible candidate.he is wooden and does not "sell" himself well to a crowd.
he is a poor orator barely getting the lines out much less understanding or believing them.

that is the only way they can keep the race close and the MSM needs a close race.
your task and mine is to not allow MSM to keep focus off mccain.

thank you
rant off
:rant:

[4_Legs_Good]

1. She's a shooting star who will burn out in a few days

I agree, though, she's totally taken the spotlight from McSame. Nobody cares about him anymore. He's just that old dude who was tortured on the ticket with her.

I think McSame made a serious deal with the devil on this one, and it won't pay off.

Once the novelty has worn off, they'll both fade away, as well they should.

David

[liberal N proud]

2. Maybe it will drive some of those crusty old white men to Obama

My 15 yo daughter put it this way after Hillary lost the primary to Barack.

She said: It follows history that a black man become President before a woman.

Her analogy was that black men were given the right to vote before women.

So if that holds, the sexist pigs will vote for Obama before they would a woman. Just a thought based of the observation of a teenager.

[adoraz]

4. wtf are you ranting about?

your post isn't even true. a much higher percent of men have favorable opinions of Palin- 65%, compared with women at 52%

http://news.yahoo.com/s/rasmussen/20080905/pl_rasmussen/palinpower20080905

[progdonkey]

7. that sounds about right...

I think it's because blacks and women suffer from different--and specific--stereotypes held by those old white dudes.

A black man is more animalistic, maybe less intelligent (but there can be a few smart ones here and there), has trouble speaking proper English, etc.

A woman is more emotionally unstable, a slave to her hormones, and her lady-brain is easily overwhelmed.

If one of these good old boys is stuck choosing between those two, which is preferable for a president? Most of the black stereotypes can be ignored because Obama is "one of the good ones". But a woman--white or black--is still in danger of PMSing, or of being overwhelmed by all that important man-stuff. Ladies just can't stand up to scary world leaders, but a black guy can.

Maybe a Freudian would tell you that a boy realizes he's a boy before he realizes he's white or black or whatever, so his sense of self power/worth/identity is tied more strongly to his being male than to his race, which is really a distinction he has to be told about.

Anyway, very astute observation from your daughter, and nice analogy!

[adoraz]

10. what's your take on this survey then

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/woman_president_clinton_vs_palin_52_to_41

In the new survey, 85% of voters say they are willing to vote for a woman for president, while only nine percent (9%) disagree and seven percent (7%) are undecided. Ironically, men are more willing to vote for a woman president than women voters by a 89% to 81% margin. These specific numbers may be impacted by the specifics of which woman is on the national ticket this year and which woman is not.

[progdonkey]

11. you really can't trust polls where deep bigotry is involved...

They respond to a poll saying, yeah, I'd vote for a woman/black/Jew, whatever, but get them in the booth, with no eyes on them, and they'll vote for the white guy. After that, I think they'd vote for "the ___ guy" before a woman. And men may feel more pressure to lie to a poller about supporting a woman than women would.

Thinking about it a little more, though, the reality might be that those old white guys would vote for a female president precisely because she's "fragile" but they like the team that will be around her and figure she'll do every single thing they tell her to. Kind of like Bush, though with an "emotional" woman instead of a functionally retarded man-child.

Still, I don't think you should really allow opinion polls to have that much pull, because you don't know what's going through the respondents' minds that make them give a particular answer or how the question was specifically asked. (There's that old saying that you can design a poll to give you exactly whatever response you want.)

[adoraz]

12. that may be true, but the fact remains

white men are more favorable to Palin than any other group by a big margin. Even if she is a far righty, she is still a woman running for VP.

you're right about the the other poll, but I still feel it should pull some weight.

[SwampG8r]

13. polls are taken of men who most likely have

their wives or girlfriends nearby
no smart man is going to give his real opinion while she is standing there

[treestar]

17. That is probably right

It is ironic, because the same people who have Quaylin's viewpoints are the same people with views about women that should make them very uncomfortable with a woman that close. If it were Hillary, they could be fine in their own heads - they'd be against her and add their snark about women not being able to handle things, not being as strong as men. But this must make them very uncomfortable.

It's even true of some women. Those fundie women can't feel comfortable about a woman being that close to the top.

[cameozalaznick]

3. You're so right

The press corps looooves to chase after the latest new shiny thing. But as sure as day follows night, they'll go after her. They were mesmerized with Bush for too long and Katrina finally, finally brought them out of their stupor. We can only hope it happens in the next few weeks. Keeping her away from the press is only going to want to make them want to go after her more.

They're like dogs. And they work in packs. And they always want want they can't have.

[Paternico]

5. The problem with palin

is that she is a vice-presidential nominee, with no experience to handle matters of government.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

6. When things blow up with Georgia, Ukraine, Russia, Iran and Pakistan...

those PTA skills oughta come in handy.

[backscatter712]

8. She's like Christmas for the Obama campaign.

She's got so many scandals going simultaneously, and her views are so hard-right that the only people that like her are the fundies.

She's almost certain to blow up in McCain's face.

In the end, my bet is that when the media and the people get bored with Palin, the scandals will keep getting more play, and she'll be fatally damaged.

It's so late in the election season that McCain can't really fire her and go with another VP candidate without turning his campaign upside down and throwing the election, but at the same time, she's gonna pull him down like an anchor!

[question everything]

9. Americans like their president to be personable

This is why so many voted for Bush... someone they would like to have a drink with.

Same with Palin. She is funny, she says what she means and means what she says and she, apparently, found some bond with many voters, including women.

Especially compared to old tired McCain and multi sylables Obama and Biden who think before they speak, she can be seen as fresh air.

While we, Democrats, are proud in Gore, Kerry and Obama who are thoughtful and intelligent who can speak in complete paragraphs, they can be intimidating to the bowling alley crowd. But frat boy Bush and Palin can tie bonds with them.

The only Democrats who really could connect with people with no college degree who think in simpler terms was Bill Clinton.

[sandnsea]

14. You're a piece of work

Have you not been paying attention? She says what she means? She has a bond with women? Do you do anything around here besides spread right wing bullshit?

Gads. You're the reason I had to change my sig line years ago. When I said question everything, I meant it. I don't know what the hell you mean.

Oh, and Kerry won the vote of those earning less than $50,000 and the vote of those with no high school education.

How about you question something, anything, before you post again.

[question everything]

15. And you and yours are the reason we keep losing elections

You think that you are so high minded that you have no idea what many voters: the ones who do not bother to read and to get the news on their own, the ones who do not go to Obama's website to learn of his programs, the ones who get their "news" from sound bites, from talk radio.

And for people like that, zingers from Palin and from Limpdick shape their opinions and their votes from than all the details and serious speeches by Obama and Biden.

But, hey, it is so much easier to be smug in your beliefs and to trash the ones who disagree with you.

I question the tunnel vision among Democrats that keep causing us to lose elections. What do you question, at all?

[sandnsea]

20. You base your premise on incorrect information

and then you help spread that incorrect information or let it stand when you hear it out in the world.

THAT is why Democrats lose. Nobody is telling these nitwits the truth because supposed Democrats like you believe the lies too.

[politicasista]

19. Thank you

The Gore, Kerry bashing is very tiresome. 2008 is not 2004 or 2000.

[treestar]

18. Why shouldn't the President be someone who would intimidate

the average person intellectually?

What cracks me up about the republicans is they think the President should be intimidating to the rest of the world. And the average American needs to get a life. They are average. One of them does not need to be President. The last 8 years prove it.

[progressiveforever]

16. You're right- but we can never be too careful

I thought Bush the first sunk his boat with Quayle, but he didn't. Yes, she's a great choice for our side, but God forbid she ever ascend to the presidency.