Would the "Palin is a cultist" meme work with moderate Protestants and Catholics?

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

I know some moderately conservative people in both categories that would recoil in horror if they knew that Moosey was eagerly anticipating nuclear annihilation to speed the second coming of their goofy Jeebus. The evidence is so overwhelming that Moosey and her so called "church" are so far off the map, and hold such disdain for moderate Protestants and outright hatred for Catholics, that if "facts were presented before a candid world" it would torpedo her and Grampy instantaneously.

[Prefer]

1. Witchcraft! Snakes!

[kestrel91316]

2. Nope. It's the FUNDIES who have an obsessive hatred of anything

they label a cult, and that basically means anyone who isn't a fundie of their stripe.

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

3. True enough

In the fundymentalpatient mindset, the 2000 year old Catholic Church, which I have no time for as an atheist, is a cult, and some "denomination" dreamed up by an illiterate hillbilly with 30 IQ points, three teeth and a family tree that collapses after two generations is "real" religion.

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

4. kick

:kick:

[backscatter712]

5. The "snake-handling tongues-speaking holy-rolling fundie" meme might work.

Depends on the moderate Christian you're talking to, but a lot of the moderates I know have great disdain for the hard-core fundamentalists.

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

7. My point exactly

A friend of mine is a pretty devout Catholic on social issues but is virulently anti-war and pro-social programs that help poor people that improve their lot in life. In other words, he believes all of Catholic teaching and not just some of it. I intend to have a long talk with him about Obama the next time i see him.

[vaberella]

11. That's going to be great. He should be supportive of Obama, especially if he knows about Palin.

[abumbyanyothername]

6. AOG's are generally fringe vis and vis sects like Catholic, Methodist, etc. nt

[vaberella]

8. I'm Catholic and recieved all my sacrament. I went to everything catholic in schooling.

Catholics aren't going to stand for it. They first of all think their religion is the OTR and they have problems in really accepting "other" Christians, because there's always a bit of something un-Christian about them. Different standards causes this. The Non-denominational ones are the worst and you talk about "rapture", you put in "cult"----Catholics will go crazy. If Catholics were a vote and it doesn't matter if their Repub Catholics they will not accept that faith and find her a loon.

They wouldn't look at her as a witch, but she would be the ultimate of sinners and probably seem perversifying the name of God and his son.

As a Catholic, I find her a loon, but then those religions are really not given much consideration in our studies even though we are taught them. Most Catholics maintain the thought that there is no other religion as truth but our own and most others are mad although Judaism and Islam is given credit for being as old or older than our own and we three recognize similar profits except for Judaism.


All in all as I said the Catholic voter would run a mile away from McCain. Obama would have been a problem, but no where near as bad as Palin.

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

12. Thank you

I am no particular friend of the institutional Catholic Church, but I have known too many lay Catholics committed to social justice, peace, and basic human dignity to be dismissive of all Catholic parishoners and teachings. Pope John XXIII was one of the most genuinely concerned and real persons I have seen or known of in the religious world and he stands with HH The Dalai Lama and HH Thich Nhat Hanh as a genuine spokesman for the poor, the dispossessed and the downtrodden of the world.

Would that the Church had followed in his massive footsteps.

[Az]

9. It won't work by rhetoric alone. We need video on that one

The downside here is that we would be doing a broadside attack on a statistically significant religion. But showing video of Pentecosts speaking in tongues would rattle the bulk of mainstream Christians. And if we could get video of her speaking in tongues it would be gold.

Ideally we could find video of her speaking in tongues. Broadcast of this would be done based on human interest rather than "Hey look at this crazy religious practice" so plausible deniability would be maintained. Similar human interest stories could be done based on introducing people to the practices of a less known religion.

It would be effective but it would be demeaning to people who follow the religion. Of course I personally think they are subject to psychological and sociological factors rather than a god so its a bit different from my point of view. But other believers that have "odd" beliefs may want to think twice before considering this path.

[vaberella]

10. Oohhh...if you show that to a Catholic. Man...the drama that would cause.

Hells fury would reign on the US for a period of time by Catholics. Protests in the streets. Catholics would be picketing up a fire storm.

However, if we beleive and count Catholics are a vote...then Biden already wone them over so that's a done deal.

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

13. kick

[McCamy Taylor]

14. Palin's preacher is an anti-semite has more punch.

That way Jewish people and all moderate Christians will be offended. Even most Evangelic groups support Israel now.

[samuraiguppy]

15. I think people

would be offended by her "church" I vote we go with this.

[eridani]

16. Where's the link for Catholic hate? n/t

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

18. No one on this thread has expressed any hate for Catholics

I am a Social Democratic atheist, and I have nothing but respect for Catholics who embrace ALL of the Catholic teachings, including a respect of and responsibility for the poor. I may disagree with the modern Catholic hierarchy in its single minded sublimation and madness of women, ever, and its shameful patriarchic foolishness but there remains John XXIII's unbending dedication to the poor, oppressed and downtrodden. That is far more evidence of the teachings of (the probably fictional) Christ for than the reactionary foolishness of men alien to, and terrified of sex with, women, for whatever Freudian and almost certainly homophobic reasons.

PM me for further discussions,

[eridani]

22. What I meant was that I want clear evidence that these Ass. of God peeps hate Catholics

It's plausible that they would, but a nice video or even print interview would be useful.

[arKansasJHawk]

17. You know what?

Screw the Catholics.

F'ing Catholics supported BUSH in 2004 over one of their own, 52%-47%. If they'll vote for that stupid, backwards, bottom of the barrel theocrat over one of their own, what the hell are we supposed to do to get them to vote for a goddamned funny named BLACK MAN? Promise to stop killing the babies?

F@(%! Are we seriously sitting here talking about "moderate" Catholics????? Where the ever-loving-f@(% were these "moderate" Catholics four years ago? Someone please explain to me how we make the case to these "moderate" Catholics that Palin is worse than Bush.

No. Seriously. Screw the Catholics. And screw every other group that voted for Bush in 2004. If they didn't get it then, what the hell makes any of you think they'll suddenly get it now?

[Prism]

19. Interesting bit of bigotry

What's with the assumption that Catholics are a bunch of racists? That's a bit out of left field.

Speaking as someone raised Catholic (but no longer a practicing believer), I can say upfront that Catholics are not a monolithic group. The phrase "cafeteria Catholicism" didn't spring from nowhere. There are many Democratic Catholics, pro-choice Catholics, gay-friendly Catholics, anti-poverty Catholics, etc. etc. etc.

In my neck of the woods, blue collar, working-class Catholics tend to vote overwhelmingly Democratic.

As for where the moderate Catholics were, one suspects they were part of that 47%. And just because a candidate is a Catholic doesn't mean other Catholics are going to automatically vote for them. I consider this a good thing. Isn't the idea that many evangelicals are only willing to vote for another evangelical anathema to our understanding of religious belief separate from government?

Saying "screw " here because a slight majority of that group did something we dislike is no good. It's bigotry. There are a lot of good people in that group being told to screw off. What's the point?

To address the OP, I'm not sure how Catholics would react to Palin's religion. I do know many Catholics are very aware that they themselves are considered a cult by very conservative evangelical movements, so I'm uncertain how willing those people would be to go along with the idea that someone else's belief is a cult. The dynamics there are tricky.

[eridani]

23. Puleeze Louise!! Ever heard of Liberation Theology?

Dorothy Day? Catholic Workers?

[No Elephants]

20. A respected religious source's calling them cultists may be persuasive. The "atheistic left"

saying it would backfire.

[TheKentuckian]

21. I'm probably more of a leftist Christian in the current political

environment but theocrats of any stripe scare the crap out of me.

No one can base our laws on their book. If a law has merit it will hold up to reason secularly and/or in the context of our society.

I could care less what wild beliefs anyone has but I do care when they wish to force them on society at large. I respect peoples right to their beliefs and demand that same respect which means extremist American Taliban types need not apply.