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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 11:47 PM
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SARAH PALIN IS A BLACK HOLE MEANT TO PULL THE ATTENTION AWAY FROM WHAT MATTERS
With the selection of Sarah Palin, the McCain camp and his handlers have sought to turn this election around or create a "game changing" moment. This "game changer" is meant to distract voters and the media away from what is really happening. And what is really happening , right before our eyes, is the fact that McCain has no real plan to govern America. He doesn't have a coherent plan to deal with the economy, education, energy, or the two wars we're mired in at this moment. The talking points he has listed on his website don't amount to a real plan. What is occurring is the shifting away from policy to personality. Even Rick Davis, McCain's campaign strategist, said that this campaign would not be about issues, but about personalities. Why would anyone aspiring to win voters and ultimately gain power want to run not on the issues, but rather personalities? Why? Because that person doesn't have any plans or the plans they do have are so unpopular and outside of the mainstream of American thinking.

Would most Americans agree to privatizing Social Security? Would most Americans agree to another 100 years of war in Iraq? Would most Americans sign on to the neoconservative viewpoint and Sarah Palin's religiously based foreign policy view that America's religious and moral duty is to bring "democracy" to every corner of the world, whether they like it or not? This is aligned with the old view of "Manifest Destiny", the view that it was this country's God-given right to expand west and culturize the "savages" in the American way. What is different today? It is one thing to act on verifiable military intelligence for national security purposes and it's another thing to go on a cowboy mission, flying by the seat of your pants, full out invasion of a sovereign country with falsified intelligence.

This is why the Republicans needed a distraction. The ideals, issues, and policy their party stands for have been proven to be disastrous and ineffective. So what do they do? They inserted a virtual soap opera into the mix just when the heat of the fire started to singe and burn off the credibility they had in the view of a large segment of America. They can't have that!

Contrary to what they may say, they didn't expect this much of a battle. They didn't expect for a leader like Barack Obama to come along and wake people from their malaise and inaction, which has allowed the past 8 years to go as it has. They are frightened. This is why McCain threw a Hail Mary pass with Sarah Palin. He needed people to stop talking about the issues Barack Obama has been raising for the past 19 months to disappear and to get people back to talking about what Republicans want people to talk about: soap opera, Brittany Spears, Paris Hilton, and wedge issues. They don't want people questioning the status quo. They don't want people questioning why McCain has offered to give the most wealthiest in this country most of the tax breaks he is offering. They don't want people questioning why we are giving tax breaks to companies who ship jobs overseas. They don't want people questioning why we should just bend to the will of oil companies and mortgage companies. They don't want people questioning why they don't have access to affordable health care when most developed nations provide their citizens with it. They don't want people questioning why their incomes have receded while inflation has gone up under this Republican administration. They don't want people questioning why gas prices have tripled under two oil men in the White House. Why? Because then they would have to answer and they don't have any credible lies to spin to these people.

So, in comes Sarah "Barracuda" Palin, a "hockey mommen, gun toting, basketball playing, 5 kid having, moose dressing, mavericky reformer, soon to be grandmother" in the mix. But what is her purpose? Her purpose certainly isn't to help McCain govern this country, not with her nonexistence on the national scene until a week ago and her relative inexperience governing anything with excellence. She has been governor of Alaska for 18 months and four years before that she ended her term as Mayor of a small town called Wasilla, a town she left 20 million dollars in debt, a town with very little organization, a town that is the "meth capital" of Alaska, a town that didn't even have street signs. What is her purpose? Her purpose is to distract us and to get us off talking about the issues. It is so tempting to lay into this woman on everything from her position on Abortion to her hypocrisy surrounding Abstinence-only education to her extremist view on God's role in foreign policy. She is, indeed, the farthest rightwing candidate to run since Pat Buchanan. So why would a so-called "moderate, bi-partisan maverick" like McCain choose someone so far out on the fringe right to be his running mate? He is so desperate to get into the White House. He believes it should have been him in 2000. He believes he has a score to settle. His handlers believe this is their only opportunity to hold power and further cover up some of the misdeeds which have gone unchecked in the past 8 years. They aren't putting "Country First", they are totally self-interested, as proven by their selection of Sarah Palin.

So how do we avoid the Black Hole that is Sarah Palin? Barack Obama's campaign, I believe, will treat her as a cipher. She is irrelevant in the final equation because John McCain is who has to be taken down. Palin would be a distraction, a trap door for them that would lead to a maze that is never-ending and in which they would never be able to escape. She is a trap for them, set up to capitalize off of the Democratic primaries and the race between Obama and Hillary. They are so cynical as to think Obama and Hillary's supporters would fall for it. The media is willfully helping them in their cause. They are getting more frustrated because Obama is not falling for it, therefore, they will manipulate the news so that it seems that this race is close, so that Obama and his campaign reacts and begins attacking Palin. This would go against his message of change. They have been trying to get him to cede the change message and it hasn't worked. They believe they have a way to get him off of his game by drawing him into the soap opera that is Sarah Palin. They have even gone so far as to refuse the media access to Sarah Palin, saying that the American people don't need to know what Sarah Palin thinks. How obnoxious and arrogant. But do you think the media will say or do anything about it? No! They will continue to tow the Party line and hit and monitor Obama's every move. Why? Because the media is just an extension, the PR wing, of the Republican party.

We are fighting something much more powerful than what is in front of us. We are fighting power, wealth, greed, hatred, and evil. The little guys like us have never had such a fight on our hands before. They are shocked we have gotten this far. So they are throwing everything at us, endangering the country with their black hole of a V.P. candidate, and dividing us further. They are desperate. We should just continue doing what we have been doing and we will come out on the other side victorious.

Sarah Palin is a distraction. She is a black hole meant to suck us in and get us off the game that got us here. I expect even more "game changers" from the GOP, even more distractions, even more wedge and divisive issues to be highlighted by the GOP and the media. But we can't stop talking about the issues that matter and these candidate's positions on these issues.
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 11:49 PM
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1. I disagree. Barack Obama has to defeat Sarah Palin.
Edited on Fri Sep-05-08 11:50 PM by The Night Owl
Sarah Palin, more than John McCain, embodies what we and Barack Obama are fighting against.
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Marsala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 11:56 PM
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3. No, not even Sarah Palin.
She's just a symbol. We are fighting against the unbelievably cynical spinmeisters running the campaign who are unabashedly running on the platform that the American people are too stupid to see through a hollow blitz of advertising.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 11:56 PM
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4. By defeating McCain, we defeat Palin.
Why did they choose Palin? They WANT Obama fighting Palin, while McCain shuffles by unscathed and unchallenged. Obama shouldn't be fighting Palin. Others can do that. Obama has to fight McCain. As soon as he does launch a campaign against Palin, the media will then start questioning WHY Obama is fighting the V.P. rather than the presidential candidate. Honestly, look at this closer. Look at the fundamentals about each candidate. Look at their backgrounds and who they are. Then tell me why Obama should be going after Palin rather than McCain.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:06 AM
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10. you get it...there's a reason these guys never brought up the last 8 yrs
also with 8 weeks to go we don't have 2 weeks to spend on a prop like Palin
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:19 AM
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19. EXACTLY! Obama has SAID this and he's right. He's NOT running against Palin...
...he's running against MCCAIN. I think he's right to maintain that attitude.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 05:57 AM
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46. They might run her again in four years.
I consider her a twofer. If she is discredited, McCain loses with her, and Alaska can dump her later.
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 06:47 AM
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47. Obama & DUers have let this election become "about Obama" or "about Palin" instead of "about BUSH"
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 11:54 PM
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2. Wrong. Palin is a Dominionist/white supremacist stealth candidate.
SHE is what we are fighting against. We keep her out, yes, by keeping McCain out. But she is far more dangerous to this nation than he is.

McCain made a deal with the devil when he picked her. He will find out too late what the price for that mistake is. I believe he is in grave danger if he wins.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:00 AM
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6. I believe he is in grave danger too if they win.
But McCain, in my opinion, is just as dangerous as Palin because he was WILLING to go along and put a person like her on his ticket. He sold his soul for a CHANCE at the White House. What would he do to stay there? Most Americans have a warped view of McCain. They think he is a maverick. This image is why Democrats aren't 20 points ahead in the polls. They think he isn't as bad as Bush and that he would be fair. Many of them might think Palin is a nut case, but may still vote for the Republicans JUST BECAUSE of McCain. McCain is the ONLY reason Republicans are even close right now. McCain has to be brought down. Palin is Buchanan in a skirt and has no appeal to mainstream America.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:00 AM
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7. dupe
Edited on Sat Sep-06-08 12:00 AM by redstate_democrat
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:04 AM
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9. NO, McCain is the fucking candidate. Just because YOU get distracted by the shiny Culture War object
doesn't mean the rest of us should.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:07 AM
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12. Have you learned nothing from the past several elections?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:11 AM
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16. Save your FUCKING INSULTS for the freepers, dear.
I am vehemently opposed to McCain. But the ONE AND ONLY thing I have ever respected about him is his hatred of the fundies. He seems to have lost his mind in picking her.

If she is forced to withdraw before the election, there is no way in hell he will be able to pick up the pieces in time to win, and the fundies will desert him in droves anyway.

I think we have a duty to pursue the vetting that McCain failed to do, and with them keeping the lid on so tight in an effort to conceal the truth, we can blow up the whole thing in their faces.

Never presume to tell me to ignore what I consider a threat to my personal safety.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 11:59 PM
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5. I'll say it again.
A Vice Presidential nominee is not a distraction. She's the bottom half of their ticket, and was chosen specifically to try to undercut Obama.

Personally, I can kick McCain in the metaphorical nuts while I do the same to her. So can you. So can anyone. So should we all.

And it can be done without ever having to depart from issues.

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:07 AM
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11. I can't understand how DU'ers can be this stupid. She isn't MEANT TO BE A COMPETENT VP
pick.

She was meant to be a huge slab of red meat and impetus for starting up another round of Culture Wars.


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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:10 AM
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14. Exactly. They want a culture war.
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:14 AM
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17. They want a culture war? I want a culture war!
The culture which Sarah Palin represents must be fought against and defeated.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:10 AM
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15. Yes, she was.
And she needs to be held up as such and debunked for all the attendant hypocrisy her own life and her own track record bring to that role. How hard is that?

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:20 AM
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20. Did I miss something? When did the Culture War ever END???
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:24 AM
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25. This was supposed to be an election about ISSUES
This is what Obama has been fighting for for the past 19 months. Do you think Obama wants to be arguing over teen pregnancy, welfare, sexuality, abortion, guns, and pop culture or does he want to be talking about JOBS, HEALTH CARE, EDUCATION, ENERGY, THE ECONOMY, THESE FAILED FOREIGN POLICY DECISIONS OF REPUBLICANS, the failed Bush years and high inflation and gas prices,

A culture war makes people vote AGAINST their self-interests. This is ALL WE HAVE HAD in elections. This year was supposed to be different.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:40 AM
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32. I'm not Obama. He is free to address the issues. He's doing a great job.
I'll continue to exercise my First Amendment right to undermine whatever Republican candidate(s) I so choose.

I understand that you want to stop me. Sorry. Not gonna happen.

You sound like a Republican, scolding me like this. But this is DEMOCRATIC Underground.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:21 AM
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21. She was meant to be a distraction. Obama is smart enough to keep his eye..
...on the prize - MCCAIN. Defeat McBush and Palin goes with him.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 01:47 AM
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39. Exactly
the election is not about who's intelligent

it's about who can best manipulate the masses

using emotion is the greatest tool in that regard

and so far the rethugs are ahead

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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:03 AM
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8. Rachel Maddow tonight citing a quote from Karl Rove:
"Look, I don't attack people on their weaknesses," he once told reporters in Texas during a campaign. "That usually doesn't get the job done. Voters already perceive weaknesses. You've got to go after the other guy's strengths. That's how you win."


Right now, Palin is McCain's strength of the moment. Which is really desperate if you think about it.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:22 AM
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22. That is very true. That's why they attack Obama's experience, record, etc...
...and that is the SAME tactic abusive partners and spouses use to tear down their victims. ATTACK THE OTHER PERSON'S STRENGTHS - that is how you tear someone down. Happens all the time.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:08 AM
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13. Agreed
I think Obama and Biden need to attack McCain... their job is to tackle him.

But I think all the people who aren't Obama or Biden need to cut Palin off at the knees.

She's dangerous, and it's going to be a lot easier convincing people of that than convincing people McCain's a freak.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:16 AM
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18. We have to win Independents.
Democrats will vote Democrat. Republicans will vote Republican. Independents and swing voters are the KEY to this election.

Sarah Palin wasn't picked to get these voters. The Republicans think they got it in the bag with Independents because of McCain's so-called "Maverick" image. Why have the media been pushing this meme for McCain ALL OF THIS TIME. You can't go a day without hearing it. Why did McCain TRY to come across as disowning the Republican party? Because HE KNOWS he needs MORE, FAR MORE than Republicans to vote for him.

The soap opera of Sarah Palin was for Democrats. She is meant to take us on, distract us, while McCain goes for the Independents.

He will in the next month, publicly DISOWN George Bush. Bush knows this, they have it planned out. McCain will be lionized in the media for standing up once and for all for 'Merica and being a "maverick". This is designed to get the Independents to McCain and throw the DNC's and Obama's campaign for a loop. The DNC and Obama have effectively joined McCain and BUsh at the hip. The October Surprise is that McCain will publicly disown Bush. So we have to get busy making sure that he could NEVER ever put it in people's heads that he isn't like Bush. Obama can't do that if he spends weeks trying to state the obvious about Palin.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:23 AM
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23. Please. It's going to a little hard to "disown" Bush with that 90% voting record
Especially at this late date.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:27 AM
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27. He's gonna try! Mark my words.
He started on that path with last night's convention speech. What's with all of the "reformer and maverick" talk? Tweety picked up on it. He said that McCain "divorced" himself from Bush. Tweety was giving us a heads up.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:26 AM
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26. I don't think anyone envisions Obama doing it...
it's up to the rest of us.
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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:28 AM
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29. I see no sign that Obama is even giving a hint of being distracted.
He's too smart. I initially wondered if he was politically tough enough to tackle the Rove-Asshat campaign tactics, but I am impressed with how he answers the BS without giving it any credibility, then steers right back to the issues. I hope it works.

There are plenty of other people who are busy being outraged at McCain's choice of Palin, and for good reason, IMO. God forbid that she EVER get in a position of national power. Better that she stay in Alaska, where her lack of integrity will eventually bring her down.

In addition to the Blogosphere, the MSM is all atwitter about Palin - like you say, the shiny new object.

It's still all about the swing states. Palin is polarizing, and while she is bringing out all the RW nutcases, gun nuts, and rednecks, she is also creating alarm in the progressive base and in thinking Independents. We have to get out the vote - after all, didn't the primaries bring out far more Democrats than Republicans? They, plus new supporters, have to get out to vote, and hope that the Republican Vote Theft Machine can't steal enough votes to hide the overwhelming tide for Obama.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:24 AM
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24. Bingo
"But I think all the people who aren't Obama or Biden need to cut Palin off at the knees."

I agree with the OP and others: BOTH McCain and Palin are dangerous. McCain because he's the ultimate panderer, having sold his soul AND thrown his adopted daughter under the bus for the nomination; and Palin because she isn't pandering to the crazy, racist, dominionist-type extremists (who are larger in number than some care to admit), SHE IS ONE OF THEM.

I feel I'm living in a Twilight Zone, in the real world and here at DU.

To me, the fact that we are trying to create a life, side by side with people who VALUE NOTHING THAT WE VALUE, is a problem. When one's worldview differs so drastically, that IS an issue, especially when one of those worldviews wants to snuff out the other.

So, the culture war is real. This isn't about simply having differing opinions on abortion, civil rights issues, gay marriage, etc. -- the typical wedge issues; with Palin involved, this is serious as a heart attack that there is someone who will actually ACT on those issues, rather than just pander about them.

No, the end game is here. Oh yeah, she's a Rapture-ready person, too, you realize that? The chaos she would love to create in the name of the Rapture, I can only begin to imagine.

I don't see her as a shiny object whatsoever, not a distraction. She, McCain, and the batshit crazy base of the White Christian Republican Party are all lumped together....and they're ALL DANGEROUS and should be approach, in sum, as such.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:31 AM
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30. She is dangerous.
And also a trap. There is a balance in dealing with them both. We can't get distracted from the top of ticket with Palin. All you've heard on tv is Palin Palin Palin Palin. People seem to be mesmerized by her. We need to get it back to the uninspiring Bush wannabe MCCAIN. We need to bring him down and Palin, the cipher she is, can't stand alone. She's Pat Buchanan in a skirt.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:38 AM
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31. I hear what you're saying...
and agree (and believe) that Obama-Biden will dispatch McCain accordingly, as they should. He should be their focus.

And it's because of the media's obsession with Palin that I and others feel we must counteract it, not ignore it. Expose it, entirely. Not only because of this election (which taking down McCain would do), but to ensure that she, nor anyone of her ilk, makes it into national politics again.

My thoughts. :)




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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:50 AM
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35. I agree. As I said, we can take on Palin but the people running the campaign
need to stay on McCain like white on rice. Don't let him move an INCH. Palin is such an easy target for us. Obama shouldn't lower himself to speak of her unless asked or in rare cases. Biden can do more, but Obama has to stay clear. They want Palin vs. Obama in some kind of twisted culture war.

Bloggers like us can talk about Palin all day long, but we shouldn't totally forget about McCain either.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:54 AM
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36. I fully agree. :) n/t
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wolverinez Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:28 AM
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28. Totally disagree. They handed us a gift with Palin.
Ignoring it would be like ignoring Bush 1 not knowing the price of milk.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 01:49 AM
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40. totally wrong
they they handed themselves a gift with her

she's a deliberate choice

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wanpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:46 AM
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33. Obama should not even mention Palin other than to brush her off . He CANNOT
engage in a race with her. This is what they want. Fighting her is lose-lose for Barack. He stays focused on McCain. Let Biden and other surrogates go after Palin.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:50 AM
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34. I think everyone is in agreement that Obama (and even Biden)...
shouldn't go after her. She's fair game for everyone else. :)
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 01:42 AM
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37. why?
didn't Obama make some points today about the unemployment numbers?

it's not enough to point them out and criticize them, he's got to tell voters how he'll improve things

otherwise---agree, Obama has to ignore Palin...concentrate on the issues....especially the economy

otherwise, rethugs win again

the election is all about emotional choices and voter turnout

as Arriana Huffington said several days ago: Palin is a smoke screen deliberately taking folks' attention away from the issues
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 02:46 AM
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43. Oh, he can wrap her in with Bush, McCain, Cheney or respond to her if need be
but there is no way he should be taking her on. That's bad tactics, they are on the run but we can't swing so wild we knock ourselves out.

She's got nothing to say anyway. Thirty percent or better of the electorate have put more thought and study into policy than Dick Palin her does. She's going to hustle around the small towns, give her little canned speech, and stir up crowds, while studying up on talking points. This is a pure Hail Mary but that play works when you fall asleep on D, sometimes even when you're looking for it.

Now folks like us and Jon Stewart can hammer her into oblivion. We can expose her and take that shine off. The Republicans are hoping for a skate through on Palin and then to infer credibility by being VP for the future. They will then blame Democrats in Congress for all the ills and get their train running at full steam again.

That means she needs to be kneecaped. She is dangerous, very dangerous but she has to be handled correctly because she a multi-dimensional threat and McCain is using his POW shield and double talk to far to great of an effect to lose focus on anyway.
Obama is doing everything within reason to win. He has run an incredible campaign, not perfect but how do you expect that?

Obama must hammer away on issues because it's the issues that are the problem not that we just have someone that's not popular enough anymore as President.

This is being played well. They're shady pricks but we're putting them under the gun.

I'd like for Barack to go ahead and make a statement that McCain in policies, worldview, and goals for government is so utterly similar to Bush that it wouldn't matter if he repudiated him to the point of a duel, that America would be the same under either man.

I think the deal is that Cheney will be the fall guy for whatever stirs the indignation and Bush will be derided as a puppet. Of course we know the John McCain is his "own man" and goes his "own man", so we the long suffering people can now rest assured all will be different under McCain. They know even that might not cut it but they're swinging. They don't want to reformat, they want to keep the same shenanigans going. If they can hold on a little longer, there will be no going back. It could already be too late but we have to try.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 12:11 PM
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48. agree
Obama need to liken McCain to Bush....show how McCain voted to deregulate the financial institutions, etc....

and reiterate how McCain voted 90% for Bush policies


etc......
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 01:46 AM
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38. Na, her speech will be her highpoint. It's all downhill from here
Scandal after scandal after scandal will now overwhelm them.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 02:01 AM
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41. Whose "we?" Dem posters on a Dem message board? Much as I enjoy posting with Dems, I
don't think we are affecting the course of history. Lighten up.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 02:22 AM
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42. Again....ITS MCCAIN, STUPID. Cut off the head of the snake.
Edited on Sat Sep-06-08 02:24 AM by bobbiejo
They're playing the "base" like Pavlov's dog. Ring the bell, and they salivate on cue.

The MSM is showing you how the base performs on command and it becomes credible. The media had better follow the dog and pony show, or else accept the blame if/when McCain loses the election.

Bottom line...We're not living in an alternate reality. The majority of Americans (outside the base as described)sees right through this farce. If they can get you to question this reality, they stay in the game.

Notice one of their favorite talking points: "With the disaster of the last 8 years, why is this race even close? It should he a landslide." Heard this? Not only have you heard it, you bought it.

The polling, as always, is a reflection of party affiliated registered voters. aka...the base. It's going to show a fairly balanced distribution between parties with slight variations to indicate a lead or a loss. So up until the actual votes are cast, it's going to appear close enough to be within reach of either candidate.

Polling is NOT capturing a true picture of the electorate, and is not accounting for the massive turnout that we're going see. The ground game in this election has been fully engaged for some time. This is where elections are won or lost, and the Obama campaign is all over it.

You're not going to see reality via MSM, but look further...shows like The Daily Show, Colbert, Bill Maher, KO, etc...reflect the the views of the majority of Americans. The massive turnout in 2006 was only the first wave.

If we were playing poker, McCain is going all in with a pair of deuces. The bluff is all he has left.

Obama is calling his bluff. I suggest we follow his lead.


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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:34 AM
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44. I ain't reading all of that,
but don't you just love the fact that Obama and even Hillary are just completely ignoring the woman?? Hillary was asked if she would be going after Palin and she referred to Palin basically as "small potatoes" and said that she was going after the one that mattered - McCain.

If I was Sarah, I'd be crying into my moose brew over that.....:cry:
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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 04:58 AM
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45. shes already done what she was meant to. its too late. just let the media overplay her
and people will get sick of her and remember theyre voting for boring ass mcbush. as long as obamas campaign stays sharp, we are all good. i have faith in them.
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