Biden is going to eat Palin alive if this is any indication of her debate skills

[Emit]

If this clip is any indication of Palin's grasp on the issues, of her vacuousness, Biden is gonna eat her alive. Every response is about drilling. She really has very little substance, and didn't really even answer any questions. Palin paled in comparison to Napolitano.

Charlie Rose
Janet Napolitano, Sarah Palin
A conversation with Governors Janet Napolitano & Sarah Palin

http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2007/10/12/2/a-conversation-with-governors-janet-napolitano-sarah-palin

Check out this clip too. Compares her jobs in the past (waitressing and babysitting) to her job as Governor of Alaska. This woman is vacuous.

http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2008/9/6/1/charlie-rose-green-room-with-sarah-palin

[BeyondGeography]

1. She looks to Janet for help about three or four times in that interview

and Rose, judging by his face and tone, knows he is dealing with a lightweight here.

[Emit]

2. Yes, I noticed that, and he backs off. He spent more in depth discussion with Janet

She is a lightweight.

They have her locked away now, hoping they can buff her up.

The results will be curious.

[Heather MC]

13. ha ha so she is ready to run the country, but not ready for interview about why she is ready

:rofl:

[4lbs]

35. Yeah, that's the ironic part.

The GOP holds her up as supposedly being able to deal with hostile foreign heads of state if need be, yet Campbell Brown and the American MSM are too scary for her to handle.

[renate]

63. I hope Obama's surrogates read DU

They need to use that line. :applause:

[lamp_shade]

31. Oh that came across so clearly.

[terrya]

3. I think she'll be coached to be very aggressive during that debate.

She'll push the same, stupid points, but being aggressive will be shown to be "better than expected" in the after debate analysis.

Biden will have a mastery of the facts on his side. Palin's handlers will have to do something to counteract that.

[Muttocracy]

9. I assume they're stuffing her full of one-liners to get the crowd going

and wear down the clock. And those will be what gets played afterward.

[Emit]

90. Well, it will be interesting to see how she performs

It's kinda like cramming for an exam, imo. In my experience, cramming for an exam never really resulted in the best grades.

[Iris]

4. waitressing and babysitting?

That sounds like some kind of answer an 19 year old beauty queen would give.

[Emit]

5. And how isulting is that to the residents of Alaska? To say they need babysitting

might be something someone thinks, but to say that on national teevee? She's rough - no sophistication whatsoever.

[Iris]

16. well, to be fair, she couldn't really draw any parallels to the babysitting. She kind of hemmed and

hawed, "..and the babysitting... well...um..." (big smile and back to the waitressing and her blue collar background)

[Emit]

19. She says "There's a lot of similarities...

waiting on those who elected me ... and, as for the babysitting job, umm, some days I do feel like we're doing a little bit of that also..."

[Iris]

24. you're good! I didn't catch that.

I'm in a room w/a loud air conditioner running.

[Emit]

38. She said it in a whisper - in a gossipy kinda way

it was easy to miss

[Iris]

47. oh, but NOW I can relate to her! She's just like any other girly-girl!

:sarcasm:

[Emit]

61. I hope you didn't take my post the wrong way, Iris

I didn't mean to imply anything derogatory toward women with the 'gossip' comment. But, what I meant was she said it in a hushed way, like she knew she shouldn't be saying it. Does that make sense? :hi:

[Iris]

62. no! no! no! Not at all!

yes! I know exactly what you meant! And it's one of the traits a lot of women have when speaking - but at least she's not making questions out of statements!

[NewJeffCT]

14. Or a college student applying for an internship

oh my

[Iris]

17. yes - with the same mannerisms and way of speaking of most kids that age.

really scary to think she is older than I am but sounds like students I work with.

[Emit]

37. My 17 year old has a better grasp on the issues than this!

[Ichingcarpenter]

6. I wonder what her final GPA was a the 6 colleges she went to?

Everyone else's college records have been opened. Why not hers?

[speedoo]

7. Oy. I had to stop watching.

Palin's phoniness is so transparent. Did she ever actually answer any questions?

Napolitano, on the other hand is quite impressive.

Great find, by the way. Very revealing.

[blondeatlast]

22. We luv our Guv! nt

[1corona4u]

8. She's interested in 2 things...

herself, and the oil in Alaska.

[Overseas]

10. Republicans want this point talked up. Lower expectations for Palin then she'll look great.

Lower expectations for her, then the canned comments the RNC gives her to memorize will look better.
The snide remarks they give her about how smart people just didn't keep us safe will play better.

They're going to send her in with more sit-com style dialogue to give the audience punchlines to chuckle at.

They will give her some paragraphs to memorize to plug in depending on broad categories of questions.

[Emit]

66. "...more sit-com style dialogue..."

omg, you nailed it!

:rofl:

[me b zola]

11. I've been thinking about the debate

Now we know that in substance and style all intelligent people will watch the debate and undoubtedly see that Palin isn't fit to be on the same stage as Joe Biden. After watching clips from Palin's performance at the convention it is clear that the gop is going to write some one line zingers aimed at getting replayed over and over in the media. It won't matter that the zingers are a deflection from the issues or not relevant to the discussion other than to be insulting, the media will rave over the snark that is written for her.

Biden has a cutting humor, but he really needs to be prepared to have similar bumper sticker type zingers to hurl at Palin/McCain and the gop along the lines of his classic "noun, a verb, and 9/11".

[Ichingcarpenter]

12. Biden praises his opponent then totally destroys the house they

are standing in until there is nothing left but rumble. I've seen it
at Senate hearings, debates and on the road.

[closeupready]

15. Yeah, they are probably anticipating some of Biden's attacks, and she will zing him on plagiarism,

perhaps on bankruptcy reform, maybe campaign finance. He has to be ready with even snappier comebacks.

[Overseas]

25. They can't touch plagiarism-- he can volley with Wiki-gate

After all , he forgot to credit one quote in one speech.

McCain lifted directly from Wikipedia to give him facts for a speech on Georgia during a crisis.

[closeupready]

34. You and I know they'll TRY to touch it, so Biden needs to sharpen wikigate and

book-burning gate and the rest. Keeping fingers crossed.

By the way, when exactly are they debating - is there a published schedule?

[Muttocracy]

59. It's early October - I'm thinking Oct. 2. nt

[Rectangle]

18. Charlie Rose is not a particularly tough interviewer. n/t

[Emit]

72. He can be

when he wants to

[Doremus]

20. She's a one-trick pony. Drill drill drill drill drill n/t

[bridgit]

21. well i gave it a shot and listened for a while, i'm partial i like Janet...

but either way there *is* no comparison in that Janet is a concerned person, and Palin is a shill for energy producers. there's just no way i'm going to sit and watch Palin set her little jaw all square at the end of everything she thinks is important like she's not going to budge...she's going to make someone a very strange little old granny

[Quixote1818]

23. She is going to have a hard time defending all the lies they have put out there so far. nt

[Honeycombe8]

26. Excellent clip, Emit. She kept looking to throw ques. back to Janet when she didn't know answer. nt

[Emit]

28. And she won't have Janet to hold her hand when she's up against Biden! n/t

[bullwinkle428]

46. Kind of like how Bush had Cheney to back him up for the 9/11 testimony!

The parallels really are scary...

[lonestarnot]

33. She's a dumb ass! All she knows is the big oil talking points.

[Zombie2]

27. Just keep in mind...

....she didn't have Rove coaching her then.

I know she's no match for Biden, but there's always going to be that handful of people that are going to support her no matter what she says or how she says it. My brother for one... I doubt he'll even watch the debates... and then the MSM won't have a bad word to say about her performance... :banghead:

[Emit]

73. As Overseas noted above

"They're going to send her in with more sit-com style dialogue to give the audience punchlines to chuckle at. ..." And the M$M will lap it up, yup, yup.

[Kdillard]

29. Biden needs to be ready for her. She has shown what she is

good at regurgitating right wing talking points and delivering one liners. She will be agressive on these points. Biden must show she is out of her depth and destroy every talking point she has been given. If Biden doesn't expose her for the lightweight she is we are in trouble but if he has a moment like a noun, verb and 911 things look good. I want the expectations for her after that speech to remain high because the fall will be that much more damaging. The debates are the next time we will see any significant bounce Biden and Obama must be ready to deliver their talking points rapid fire and have the same confidence we see when the Republicans spew lies. No uncertainty.

[Emit]

30. I think she is adept at memorizing speeches, and I've seen a clip of a debate she did

in her local race, where she performed much better than this clip on Rose. I agree. Let's not underestimate her. But, her weakness is apparent -- lack of depth. Edit to add -- they can pump her up, but, cramming last minute leads to failure, in my experience, especially when it comes to public speaking.

[bullwinkle428]

45. No - not good at memorization. See my post #44

[lonestarnot]

32. So far all I've heard from Palin is big oil, big oil, big oil blah blah.

[Emit]

36. drill, drill, drill

she's got THAT talking point down, that's fer sure.

[lonestarnot]

39. And that flag pin woohoo.

:eyes:

[Grateful for Hope]

40. Wasn't Bush wired during his debates with Kerry?

I am thinking that this is what they might do with her. Have someone feed her responses to her.

[tridim]

42. They won't even have to snake a wire down her back.

Just install the transmitter inside the beehive.

[Matariki]

41. George Bush taught us not to misunderestimate vacuousness

And Kerry humiliated him in the debates. We thought it was in the bag then.

[NewJeffCT]

43. I think Palin will do well in the debates

she'll be prepped to get off a few good one-liners in response to certain questions, and will be programmed with talking points for everything else. I expect to see her pause a few seconds before every response to make sure she has the right talking point in the right place.

[Bread and Circus]

51. She will do well if not challenged. If she gets "friendly questioning" it will horrible

however, if she gets someone to call her on the Bullshit, she's going to be in trouble.

I noticed Charlie Rose had no idea that Congress stopped the Bridge to Nowhere, not her.

[Emit]

85. And if the M$M buys into this 'we won't let her speak until she's given respect and deference' crap

it will be even worse

[lutefisk]

54. I agree. She just needs a few "Reaganesque" zingers and a handful of talking points

Expectations will be set low, and after the debates the corporate media will tell us she held her own or even won.

Bush acted like a complete fucking moron in his debates, yet the media spun the whole thing in his favor.

[NewJeffCT]

64. In 2000, Bush was spun as having won the debates

In 2004, most of the media agreed that Kerry won them.

[bullwinkle428]

44. She was still READING OFF NOTES AT HER CAMPAIGN APPEARANCE YESTERDAY,

specifically, the extra-snarky line about "small-town mayor...like community organizer, except with reponsiblities"! Rachel Maddow showed the footage last night, and she made no effort to hide the fact that she had to look down at her notes to recall her lines, even the ones that made the biggest splashes in her "acclaimed" speech the other night!

HOW THE FUCK WILL SHE BE ABLE TO INTELLIGENTLY DISCUSS ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT WILL COME UP IN A DEBATE? I guarantee she will be wired up to receive advice - the hair will cover the earpiece.

[sunnystarr]

48. "and also" "and also" "and also"

and ...

energy needs
hungry markets
hungry markets
hungry markets

That sums up Sarabarracuda

every issue comes back to energy

education? = energy oil drilling = money for education
war on terror? - energy independence hungry markets = winning

she has one issue - oil

[Nikki Stone1]

49. Let's hope she ends up sounding as unknowledgeable as she no doubt is

Of course, she lives in Alaska which is "next to Russia" (lol!)

[Bread and Circus]

50. At 6:15 she repeated her Bridge to Nowhere lie. She also has spent

her first 3 minutes bullshitting about how the reserves in Alaska will be some sort of energy solution when it will ultimately be a minor aspect of a huge world energy market.

[Faryn Balyncd]

52. Raising expectations is a losing strategy....... lowering expectations is the winning strategy.

[Emit]

60. You must have missed my other post then

Don't underestimate her

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=6919092

[krkaufman]

53. Yeah, people keep saying she's on top of energy issues ...

... but I haven't seen any tangible evidence of her going beyond oil and natural gas.

If she was such a great energy advocate, why did she not put the increasing oil royalties towards alternative energy projects? This was an opportunity lost by Palin, to demonstrate a commitment to energy independence rather than merely promising it.

edit: p.s. After watching the Green Room clip, I was annoyed enough by her obfuscation that I was compelled to leave a comment.

She's very personable, well-spoken (no Bush, here) and telegenic, but seems thin on issues. For instance, I have to wonder... if she is such an advocate for developing domestic supplies of energy to lessen our reliance on foreign sources, why did she opt to dispose of the increased oil royalty revenues as rebates to the citizens of Alaska, instead of putting that money towards developing forward-looking renewable, alternative energy sources? Doling out the money as royalty checks seems to be exceedingly short-sighted -- though it does help explain her high approval rating in Alaska.

And, ugh, the full Rose show was even more painful, with Palin doing her One Trick Pony "energy" act; again compelling me to comment...

The question is about quality education, and Palin topic hops to her one trick... drill, drill, drill.

To see how transparently tunnel-visioned Palin is, consider... If oil money is needed to improve the schools in Alaska, as she states, then why is she doling out increased oil royalty checks to Alaska citizens instead of using those funds to shore-up the school system? Oopsy.

Ouch... And she does it again. She rolls out her son as a political tool, and then says "every elected official should be doing everything they can to secure these United States", and makes it about "energy." So, ok, why didn't Palin use the increased oil revenues to shore-up the Alaska National Guard? Recent reporting lists Alaska's National Guard as facing a personnel crisis. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/alaska-national-guard-fac_n_123957.html)

At least she was honest about the Bridge to Nowhere funds in this conversation. Gotta wonder what happened between then and now for her to evolve her own Bosnia sniper fire elaboration on the issue. Oh. Right.

[SheilaT]

55. I've seen this kind of thing before,

only not usually on a national state. "Beauty Queens" who never get beyond the pageant, whose entire sense of self is connected tightly with their looks. They never have to develop much of a personality or think about things because their good looks will always trump everything else.

What's really distressing, but directly connected to the Beauty Queen Syndrome, is that she has the intellectual substance of someone just out of junior college. A rather second-rate junior college at that, and who didn't take any classes that required any effort besides showing up. But manages to think she got a good education. And so has absolutely no idea what really does constitute a good education, and honestly doesn't think that schools need to be funded any better than they were when she went, because after all, "We didn't have computers and fancy labs and we got a good education, didn't we?" kind of mentality.

[mvd]

56. Biden should do well

With a good mix of coaching and off the cuff Biden, he will clearly be the winner. But lowering expectations is good.

Also, Biden, please avoid any ethnicity talk.

[krkaufman]

57. Don't kid yourself. The debates will be determined by the moderators ...

... and what they allow the candidates to get away with.

Take this Charlie Rose interview, as an example. Rose asks Napolitano about education, and she goes into great deal in her response and followups.

And then Rose directs the education topic to Palin, and she immediately veers off into the need to drill, drill, drill -- and Charlie doesn't bother to ask any followup question on education. Palin skated without addressing education.

[krkaufman]

58. My Lord ... Her health care "answer" may be the worst of the batch ...

... and that's saying something.

She starts fidgeting immediately and tells Charlie that it's so complicated that she wouldn't ordinarily even start to get into it in an interview "like this," explains that her approach is to assemble a task force to look into other task forces' efforts, and then redirects the question over to Napolitano, in order to get out of the hole and avoid any followups. Tell me... what did Palin say, at all, about health care?

This last tactic is something that Biden needs to be aware of, and prepare for. Don't jump in and bail her out when she tries one of these redirects; instead, respond that you'd like her to continue with her thoughts; that you don't what to interrupt her and will comment after she's finished.

Palin is a complete lightweight on the issues -- though her media skills help to compensate.

p.s. People need to see this interview. Not just to see what an intellectual fraud Palin is, but to see her in comparison to someone who *is* qualified and has some depth, Janet Napolitano.

[SDJay]

65. I would simply

I'd simply like to see Biden respectfully remind this woman that Jesus was a community organizer. Let her marinate on that one and try to spin it. That'd be fun for all sorts of reasons.

[krkaufman]

67. Sarah Palin vs Janet Napolitano -- Palin Pales In Comparison

This Charlie Rose segment inspired me to post to my MyBO blog, consolidating my above thoughts...

MyBO: Sarah Palin vs Janet Napolitano -- Palin Pales In Comparison

[Emit]

70. Thanks, krkaufman

Thanks for your contributions and thoughts here on this thread -- I'll check out your link now.

[Emit]

84. You did well, and that would make a good OP here at DU, too

:thumbsup:

[krkaufman]

87. Thanks Emit. I thought I had made it an OP, but it appears not. Just tagged it to my journal.

I think I didn't want to draw away from this thread, diluting the discussion of the Rose interview.

[Emit]

89. Are you kidding? Spread it far and wide!

It's better to know what Palin was like in the raw last year -- prior to any makeover the Repugs have planned. This is a woman of little substance, and your essay is effective in pointing that out in simple terms.

[amborin]

68. Maybe not....some articles suggest she'll do fine, and Biden has to

be careful

he's in a delicate position, also...he can't bash her too much, or it might elicit voter sympathy

on the other hand, she's cunning and dangerous

so it would be foolish to assume she'll fall on her face

[parasim]

69. She says that she knows about Bush's energy policies only through the media?

Yikes! and this is a governor?

[samuraiguppy]

71. I would put money

down on Biden if I had any money. With all his experience he will humiliate her badly. I plan to stay in and watch tv that night!

[FrenchieCat]

74. She's sounds like a successionist. She doesn't like the Federal Govt at all....

She only talked about Energy, and sounded like something memorized.

[Emit]

77. I think it's pretty funny, really, that Charlie Rose put this clip on the front page

of his website. As much as he pisses me off, I think he's trying to communicate something here. Now, if he'd just stfu, and just say the Empress and Emperor have no clothes, then he'd really be doing his viewers and followers a good service. His coverage of the RNC was abysmal.

[FrenchieCat]

79. Ooooh! I left a comment. It posts instaneously! :)

[Emit]

80. 'Palin = Bush-Cheney?' or 'McCain's with this VV (Vagina Vote) gimmick'?

:rofl: which one is yours, Frenchie?

Interesting comment by rayan s:

... What is disturbing about her, is in fact,the very same thing that she is being applauded for (by the media pundits who seem to be covering politics as a sport right now)- namely, the ease and the obvious relish with which she seems to have made the adjustment to her new role. I would not have felt so suspicious of her, had she shown some sense of nervous apprehension that demonstarted she either understood or even cared about the enormity of the task that lay ahead and the responsiblities that went with it. I guess, she feels that if it has come to her, it must have been her's! She seems to be looking at all this as a great personal opportunity and good fortune and is as happy as can be. But what I haven't figured out is how can she keep repeating lies, in the full 'sincere' mode even though she knows that some or even most of the people listening to her know that these are lies!

This, too, has been bothering me, and I can't put my finger on it. I think, sadly, she's too obtuse to understand 'the enormity of the task that lay ahead'; and, with a comment she made in the shorter clip about 'letting God handle things,' she probably believes this is God's will or her biblical destiny.

I have a niece-in-law like this. She lets everything go to 'God's will' and makes woefully ignorant choices. She and my fundie nephew (they, too, speak in tongues) have lost their house in the mortgage fiasco due partially to their careless and greedy choices and are about to lose their business for similar reasons. Family have given them money repeatedly and she spends it to get her hair and nails done. My sister counted 50 pairs of fancy underwear in one of her girl's drawers when she was doing laundry one day. 50? My kids are lucky if they have five clean pairs of skivvies! We all tried to get them to sell the house sooner, talk with the mortgage company, move to a cheaper area, see a credit counselor -they went to their pastor instead - stop spending on their cards, and/or get a part time job to help cover their debt. But, when I spoke with her last, she said God had a plan for them. It's nuts. And this Palin lady is scary. This dependence on God to save you is irresponsible, to say the least.

[FrenchieCat]

81. I'm the VV one. :)

[Emit]

82. Thought so.

Loved it! ;)

[krkaufman]

88. Re: Charlie... yeah, he seems to grovel at the feet of power ...

... someone who wouldn't dare challenge power lest his access be lost. And he seems, from my take, to be considerably more deferential and less challenging to Republicans than Democrats. (Based on my past viewings of his show.)

[Eurobabe]

75. I couldn't get past Napolitano's segment when Barbie started up

This woman is just so profoundly not Vice Presidential material, it's not funny.

Cheney is right up under her skirt, pulling all the strings. :eyes:

[TooRaLoo]

76. Oh Jeebus.

She can't even answer the questions she's asked. It all becomes about oil, oil, oil.

[TooRaLoo]

78. Could she be more repetitive? UGH

*headscreen*

[and-justice-for-all]

83. She has no debate skills...

she is handed talking points.

Biden is quite seasoned, I have no doubt who will come out ahead.

[azmouse]

86. kick