***LET'S GET TO WORK ON THIS FLAG THING NOW***

[JeffreyWilliamson]

Here's the article from Puke News:

John McCain’s campaign prepared to accuse Democrats on Saturday of leaving behind 12,000 miniature American flags after Barack Obama’s nomination acceptance speech last Thursday in Denver.

Boy Scouts have arrived with 84 trash bags full of bundles of flags at the site of a McCain rally scheduled to begin at 12:30 p.m. local time in Colorado Springs.

The campaign says the flags were recovered from Invesco Field after the Democrats concluded their convention there, and they are going to be used as part of the warm-up ceremonies before McCain takes the stage for the rally.

FOX News has been told a vendor at Invesco Field found the flags, which were going to be thrown out, and turned them over to the McCain campaign.

Notice anything strange here?

12,000 miniature American flags

84 trash bags full of bundles of flags

a vendor at Invesco Field found the flags

These flags were meant to go somehwere--and not to some dumpster. Did this "vendor" steal them for political purposes?

[glowing]

1. So, its up to the vendor to distribute and clean up? Then that is his job..

So, why did the vendor throw them in the trash? Is he the Un-American one?

[JeffreyWilliamson]

2. Ah, but here's the catch...

I see no trash entering the picture here. 84 bags, 12,000 bundled up flags--doesn't sound like trash to me. These flags were taken by someone.

[glowing]

7. McCain is running soooo low on funds, they have to steal American Flags from Obama?

Oh my God, John should have just asked Cindy to sell one of her outfits if he needed to purchase flags.

[1corona4u]

28. Could be, and if they were intended for the trash, why spend all of the time rolling them up!!

[d_b]

3. utter crap

McCain camp will look more foolish than they already are.

[flamingdem]

37. Repukes cannot differentiate between symbolic and real .... delusional nt

[Liberal Dose]

4. Any meaningless issue will do for them, as long as it distracts from real issues. They need to be

called on this, and hard. The flags were not being thrown away.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

6. EXACTLY! n/t

[1corona4u]

11. Exactly.

[okieinpain]

71. exactly number 3. n/t.

[tekisui]

5. THey were neatly rolled up and stacked in the bags.

This story does stink to high hell.

Maybe they were going to be sent for the 12,000 US citizens that have died due to the repubs careless adventurism: 5,000 Soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, 3,000 on 9/11, 1,000 US contractors in Iraq, 1,500 during Katrina, and the remaining 1500 represent the tens of thousand untreated US Vets who have committed suicide.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

8. And here they are...

...doesn't look like "trash" to me:

[cindyw]

Look STOLEN to me

[napi21]

22. That can't be right! Those are NOT miniature flags! n/t

[demobabe]

29. Actually, it looks like a manufactured prop, if you ask me.

If you were stacking bundles of flags into trash bags, you wouldn't point the sticks all one way. This has been carefully set up.

[csziggy]

43. Do those look like the same size flags as at the DNC?

Here is a shot from a DUer's pics:

[JeffreyWilliamson]

48. You're right...

stick is too short in the bagged picture, they also appear to have a tip on them that the real one doesn't.

So why would a repuke blog pushing the story post the photo I pasted above?

[csziggy]

51. Why else? To smear Democratic conventioneers. n/t

[1corona4u]

61. Yeah, and look at the booth to the left at the top...

[1corona4u]

9. Jesus Christ.

The only people making an issue of this is DU!! Go ahead, play right into their hands.

Sheesh...

[JeffreyWilliamson]

12. Because we all know they wouldn't use this against us...

They aren't going to say a word about those flags, right?

Not trying to be a jerk, but this is the brainless crap they throw at us, and we always take the high road to defeat.

Time to start hitting back hard against this crap.

[1corona4u]

17. My point is; so fucking what!

They are DISTRACTING FROM THE ISSUES. This was probably the result of someone dropping the ball, not an out and out efort to throw them away, IF the "dems" had anything to do with it at all.

And yeah, they will try to use it. SO WHAT!!

I'm just so sick of this "sky is falling" shit that I could PUKE!!!!!

[JeffreyWilliamson]

33. Look, I agree, it SHOULD be about the issues...

But if it were about the issues, then why isn't this an out-and-out landslide?

The impacting factor, I think, is the media. And the media eats this stuff up like it's birthday cake.

It's not sky is falling to hit back hard on some of this garbage. That's all I'm saying.

[1corona4u]

58. Because, as has been pointed out thousands of times,

it's a racial issue. Rednecks, republicans, and stupid fucking people who fear him. No one can change that. All we can do is keep trying to convince people that there is nothing sinister about Obama, and that his head, and heart really ARE in the right place.

[demobabe]

41. You're absolutely right

And this is more of the attitude we're going to have to take to fight them. Keep saying "so fucking what." We NEED to say that and keep hammering on the issues, absolutely.

Everytime I get sucked into one of their stupid things, I stop and remember that these people want to KILL our children. Send them to wars.

It is time to cut the shit.

ENOUGH.

[Vinca]

10. If the flags were neatly rolled in bags, maybe they were stolen. nt

[azmouse]

13. This story should be sent to KO's people to debunk.

It's a perfect story for him.

[KingFlorez]

14. Sounds like theft

The flags were bundled neatly, there is no way they were going in the trash.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

15. I smell operatives...

I tried to find the earliest mention of this, not sure but this may be it:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/06/the-recycled-flags-of-the-dncc/

Written by Ed Morrisey:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Morrissey

[Egnever]

21. are you one of them?

this story is stupid.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

35. Go back and read some of my stuff...

...the only think I'm an operative of is us winning.

And also of us exposing these people, Puke News, Gibson, etc., as the scum they are when they trot this out.

[Egnever]

40. ok well this is a stupid story

Not worth paying any attention to. Except perhaps to laugh at and dismiss as more puke propaganda.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

52. Perhaps...

But the people in my office are puke-leaning "independent" voters. They're so sick of watching this country get flushed down the toilet for the last 8 years. So sick, they said after Obama's speech that they were on board.

BUT, then Little Miss Moose Burger got trotted out, and they saw a big LCD TV with a flag. Guess which way they lean now?

There is a genuine argument to be had that by allowing ourselves to get pulled down to their level in addressing their phony attacks that we lose sight of the issues we care about. But, I think a case can also be made that as the people who care about the issues, we have already decided how we will vote. It's the people I work with that we lose when this garbage hits the air.

[CitizenPatriot]

16. My take on this

for whatever it's worth:

'I'm done responding to stupid, made-up attacks by these schemers.

they can talk bags of flags (did they plant them?) all they want.

Patriotism doesn't come in a fucking trash bag.

I'm talking about their use of actors in their patriotism video.

I'm attacking them, I'm not responding to their usual tactics.

It bores me (no offense to you for posting this - you are doing a good thing -- I'm just telling you where I'm at with it, but of course, my mood changes. My anger is toward them, NOT you good-hearted Dem!)

I have studied their tactics and they win when they're putting us on the defense.

My only reply to them is going to be (and by this I mean when I see this crap in the blogosphere):

WHEN IS GOVERNOR PALIN GOING TO DEMONSTRATE HER PATRIOTISM BY MAKING HERSELF AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE PRESS?

WHEN IS GOVERNOR PALIN GOING TO DEMONSTRATE HER PATRIOTISM AND LOVE FOR THE CONSTITUTION BY BEING TRANSPARENT AND ACCOUNTABLE?

WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO LEADING OUR NATION? THE WAY THE TRASH SERVICE CLEANED UP THE HALL OR THE WAY YOUR VP HEARTBEAT AWAY FROM THE PRESIDENCY IS HIDING FROM THE FREE PRESS, THE FOUNDATION OF DEMOCRACY?

they will respond with their utter rubbish and I will rinse and repeat.

and add:

WHEN YOU'VE GOT NOTHING TO SAY, YOU LIE ABOUT YOUR RECORD AND TRY TO DISTRACT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FROM THE TRUTH. good try.

since when is how you treat the FLAG more important than how you treat the AMERICAN PEOPLE?

[msongs]

19. this stuff works and repubs would rather win that be nice so they do it nt

[1corona4u]

20. BINGO.

Well said!!!

[Egnever]

24. Patriotism doesn't come in a fucking trash bag.

perfect!

:yourock:

[JeffreyWilliamson]

27. "since when is how you treat the FLAG more important than how you treat the AMERICAN PEOPLE?"

It's not, but as we all know, this crap dominates news cycles. I'm imagining Charlie Gibson opening with this "important" news item one night next week.

[napi21]

18. I checked to see how small flags are packed.

http://www.usflags.com/ProductDetail.asp?ItemID=4103&CategoryID=31&p=1&psize=50

4" X 6" packed 144 pack = 12,096

It's probably safe to say that that's what size they were, and 84 TRASH BAGS is quite a stretch!!!!

I wonder how we can find out who was hired to clean up after the event? It sounds really odd that the campaign would just throw away almost $5,000 worth of anything, don't ya think?

BTW, they do also have 2 other size small flags packed 144 per pk. 8" X 12" and 12" X 18". I'm still thinking it was the smaller ones because that number would be the ones passed out to the crowd, and I can't see then going with very big ones. In any event, the value at the low side would be $5,000 and if the were the large ones, we're talking about $15,120!

[CitizenPatriot]

26. new thread: the pukes owe us 15, 120 for stealing our flags!

they steal more than elections, now they even stoop so low as to steal flags.

that's the Republican party. Lower than thieves. More of the same.

[VolcanoJen]

23. CNN said the DNC says the flag story is a lie.

I tuned in late and didn't get the details... anyone else see their report?

[csziggy]

DNC announced ahead of time that they were pushing recycling

It sure looks like those flags were recovered and bundled for recycling. Guess the RNC is settling for our leftovers.

Dems' favorite color for convention? Green - http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_10293045
"As part of the convention's environmental efforts, many events, including the ones at the Pepsi Center, will collect recyclable and compostable products.

"The DNC committee hopes to divert about 85 percent of all the waste generated to recycling centers and a composting plant where it can be sold to companies for reuse. "


DNC proves 'green' trash efforts big success - http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/aug/29/dnc-proves-green-trash-efforts-big-success/
"Months of planning for a deeply green Democratic National Convention largely paid off, vendors and city officials said Friday, with tons of garbage now in composting rows and recyclables headed for reuse.

"We said this would be the greenest convention ever and it has been," Mayor John Hickenlooper said Friday morning."
<snip>
"But Hickenlooper said Friday that nearly 70 percent of the trash generated at the Colorado Convention Center had been diverted from the landfill, sorted into compost or recycled.

"At the Pepsi Center, the other convention venue, it looked as if similar amounts had been diverted, he said.

"On one afternoon alone, volunteers weighed 150 pounds of "e-waste" - laptop batteries and discarded cell phones - that had been captured for recycling instead of being thrown out.

"Waste Management, which hauled all of the trash and recyclable materials, said the undertaking, which required hand sorting by hundreds of volunteers, was the most complex it had ever tackled.

<snip>

"Nonetheless, he said, it looked as if the DNC would come close to reaching its goal of having just 15 percent of the total trash generated reaching landfills."

[eShirl]

25. sounds like the kind of tricks Rove used to do

[CitizenPatriot]

30. new question for pukes: why do you hate recycling? nt

[MoonRiver]

31. Huh?

Why is this important enough to post about????? :wtf:

[KingFlorez]

32. I just thought of something else

Is there any proof these flags were there in the first place? What if this is just some sort of made up stunt by the McCain camp and they just bought this flags and are saying that they were "found"? Not that I wouldn't put theft past them, but they are so desperate it wouldn't surprise me if it this was all manufactured.

[flamingdem]

34. DRUDGEREPORT.com is pushing this crap too nt

[Name removed]

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[Top Cat]

38. Probably

[nsd]

39. CNN reported that the DNC planned to ship the flags for use at other events.

They weren't going to a dumpster.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

42. So then they were stolen. n/t

[Vinca]

44. And they should also say they were lifted by dirty tricksters

from the McCain campaign.

[1corona4u]

60. Let's remember Fox had a booth there too..

I saw it in one of the pix posted in this thread..

[dansolo]

46. So they were stolen?

Shouldn't that be the story?

[KingFlorez]

49. I knew it

[NYC_SKP]

67. Google news search, not a damn thing on this...

I've been away from my TV, I wish I could find something solid to verify that they were going to be shipped.

And if that's not the case, it's pretty clear that flags ending up in the trash wasn't a campaign sanctioned action.

[mitchum]

45. I'm surprised that they aren't claiming some fetuses were thrown out with the...

"trashed flags"

rdit: typo

[CitizenPatriot]

47. they want to talk trash bags?

like the ones they threw 100,000s of votes away in in Florida that were supposed to be being recounted?

or the trash bags in Florida where the new registrations of over 5000 voters got "lost" this week?

What demonstrates a lack patriotism more? throwing away a vote or throwing away a flag?

[VolcanoJen]

50. Classic GOP Ratfuck.

Here's why:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6745773

[JeffreyWilliamson]

54. That was very well done and a great read.

Thanks.

[VolcanoJen]

55. Thank you very much. It's important we educate the younger folks...

... on what a Nixonian/Rovian Ratfuck looks like.

This "False Flag Story" is like a master class. :-)

[EC]

53. Maybe from the set? Which means they were packed to be shipped

and that "vender" stole them. I hope someone steps forward saying they were looking for them and charges them with theft...

[stevietheman]

56. We need to press the meme that the McCain campaign STOLE the flags. n/t

n/t

[JeffreyWilliamson]

57. Yup...

I like the poster upthread who said we need to ask for our $15,120 back.

Where's our $15K, McCain bitches!

[Zombie2]

59. yesh! they got us!?

I don't think it's worth putting much time and effort into their lies... nothing here for US to prove, because it never happened, it's nothing but a lie.... capiche?

[phleshdef]

62. The DNC should report the flags as "stolen property"...

...and call for the McCain campaign to cease and desist doing anything with the flags, demand that they return them and start an investigation as to how the whole thing happened.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

64. Thought about that...

...but what will they come back with?

"The DNC wants their flags back now, but if they like them so much, why did they throw them out in the first place?", or

"Do the Democrats think they own the rights to the flag?"

I think the best way to respond is to hit it out of the park that it's a lie.

Then, let the bloggers out there find this "vendor" and watch the chase play out.

[phleshdef]

65. Doesn't matter what they say... property is property...

And if the McCain campaign has obtained property that is claimed to be stolen and they don't cooperate, they could actually face legal ramifications.

If they can find something on the vendor quickly enough, then I'd agree with your idea... but I think they need to respond to this rapidly and bringing the law into it is the best way to do that.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

66. Good point.

New meme: "Don't let them steal another election like they stole your flags."

[NashVegas]

63. I Knew This Had the Smell of "Democrats Trashed the White House" When Clinton Moved Out

[JeffreyWilliamson]

68. Cha-ching!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/06/thrown-away-flags-story-f_n_124499.html

[mvd]

69. Good work

:thumbsup:

[WinkyDink]

70. GREAT replies to this THEFT!

[Kablooie]

72. Even if they were stolen, who will the public believe? The people who tell the truth or the liers?

They have proven in the past to prefer lies 10 to 1.

That's the way true Amerakuns like it.

[VolcanoJen]

73. It's a ratfuck, but a shitty one.

Lamest ratfuck ever. It's of the "Clinton staffers sexually defiled the West Wing and raped the curtains while molesting the "W" keys before removing them from government-owned office keyboards" variety that popped up when Dubya took office (and when DU was born).

Lame, weak, lame, phoned it in. These people are clown shoes compared to real Nixonian ratfuckers. Dean Rusk is rolling over in his grave. ;-)