I was starting to doubt the rumor about Trig's parents until I bought US Magazine

[LynneSin]

They showed 2 pictures of Sarah Palin at 7 months pregnant. One when she was pregnant with Trig and one from one of her earlier kids.

Let's put it this way - when Sarah was 7 months pregnant before she showed. She was a fit pregnant mom but she definately had a bump there that was very obvious that she was pregnant.

I honestly do not believe that Trig could feasibly be her child.

[KittyWampus]

1. Wow. How insightful. 8 days of this bullshit wasn't enough for you, obviously.

[kestrel91316]

7. You seriously need to change your name to cryingnanny.

[stray cat]

13. I was wrong about Edwards affair - I think I 'll withhold judgement on this one

[Liberal Dose]

70. Here you are again, getting outraged by someone who doesn't believe Palin's BS about Trig's birth.

Interesting. If you're so fed up with all of it, why not just ignore the posts speculating about your precious Sarah instead of posting in every single one of them?

[emilyg]

97. Why focus on important issues when we can

have 8 more days of soap operas.

[mwb970]

112. Every Palin thread brings out the Palin police now.

I'm so glad to have these people telling us to shut up all the time. Otherwise how would we know we've said enough?

Here's a thought. If you don't like the threads on this board, find another board and leave us alone. We'll talk about what we want to. Or are you going to fire us all?

[rzemanfl]

2. Who names their kid after a roll on deodorant anyway?

[mitchum]

3. Hey, watch it!

:)

[rzemanfl]

5. I thought you were named after the movie star. n/t

[mitchum]

9. The movie star AND the deodorant

yeah...that's right...

[rzemanfl]

4. I just noticed now where his sister or mom's name came from.

Same ad.

[mitchum]

12. Oooh, you're right

good catch
I'm pretty sure it's the latter

[ContinentalOp]

69. Holy shit! Hahaha, that's weird.

We should have a poll on what the next kid will be named.
Crumble
Trickle
or Messy?

[QueenOfCalifornia]

10. I wish you

and all others would lay off this poor kid and his name.

Trig is a norse name - not any worse than naming your kid Trip or Amber - It's just a little babies name and this sort of crap makes liberals look like idiots.

Jeesh.

[rzemanfl]

15. Mitchum started it. n/t

[mitchum]

82. Did not

:)

[rzemanfl]

89. Did so! And you made me do something tasteless and offensive

-and got me in trouble. Not Bristol trouble, but some....

[nichomachus]

59. Learn something new every day

Trig and Track -- I thought she named her boys after "things she flunked in high school."

[JoFerret]

38. Bottom line of the ad

"Another fine product of Bristol...."

[kansasblue]

47. Mr Palin is a math teacher. Named after trigonometry. nt

[JVS]

61. Should have gone with the much cooler Sohcahtoa!

[WinkyDink]

75. Best thing I ever learned.

[JVS]

78. In my class it was Oscar Had A Hunk Of Ass

[rzemanfl]

64. They let people without college degrees teach math in Alaska?

I thought I read that he only had "some college credits."

[question everything]

6. We probably should let this topic die

The main reason why I accept that she is the mother is because babies with Down Syndrome are more commonly born to older women than to teenagers.

Either way, there are many real issues with which we should attack her, without generating sympathy from her supporters, too many of them were charmed by her and are not going to listen to logic, anyway.

[LynneSin]

11. I've known a 23 year old child have a Downs baby

it is not unheard of with those under 40. When I grew up, there was a family that was close with our family and their oldest child had Downs and she had that child when she was 19.

[Midlodemocrat]

27. That's actually untrue. Because older women are tested

because of the risk, most babies with Down Syndrome are born to women under 30.

Exactly the opposite of what we might think.

[question everything]

99. She was tested. They knew she was carrying a fetus with a a Down Syndrom

This is the fodder they provide to the RWers: "she chose not to abort the baby."

Perhaps I should have used the term "carried by" older women, instead of "born."

The stats are that the older the woman is the more chances are for a Down Syndrome baby. This is why, when amniocentesis first was developed, it was offered mostly to women over 35.

Even today: "Prenatal screening tests are routinely offered to women over the age of 35, due to their increased chances of giving birth to a child with a disability; however, pregnant women of any age can request a test or choose not to have it done. If the estimate determined by prenatal screening is high, doctors will often advise a mother to undergo diagnostic testing."

http://www1.ndss.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=23&id=60&Itemid=234

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

111. Do you have a link to where it was announced that Trig had Down Syndrome before he was born?

[ClarkUSA]

33. Far more children with Down's Syndrome are born to women under 35 than over 40

It's just that the odds are far greater with women over 40. But far fewer women have children
at that age as well.

[ClarkUSA]

34. dupe

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

8. Bill Maher still doesn't buy it that Trig is her's either. He brought it up last night on

Real Time.

[enough already]

83. We know she's a damn liar

Why should I believe her on the kid's real mother? This needs to be pursued hard.

[greendog]

14. She announced her pregnancy the day after McCain clinched...

...the Republican nomination.

Maybe Dobson & Co. fixed her up with a down syndrome baby to round out her cred with the base. It seems likely that they're the ones who forced her on to the ticket.

:tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat:

[LynneSin]

18. Do we know that the baby absolutely has Downs?

I mean I'm not questioning that this child doesn't have something but there are plenty of other development issues that could occur at birth. Saying it's Downs would at least help make it seem like the child is Sarah since Downs is more common (but not limited at all) to older women. Remember Sarah would not see a doctor in Texas AND would not see any doctor in Anchorage, which is where the plane landed. All of this 12 hours after the water had broken.

[TexasObserver]

20. That's a fair question, given Palin's history of lying.

We know she's lying about her political history.

What if the child is hers, but was harmed by her failure to seek medical attention promptly? It's possible she and her family Doc cook up the story of Downs, instead of having a scandal.

With Palin, anything is possible, because the one thing most prevalent about fundies is their absolute ability to lie about anything they can rationalize God would want them to hide.

[greendog]

22. We know what they tell us.

And we should know to question all of it.

The down syndrome baby is a REAL IMPORTANT part of her story. That's why I think it's fair to question it.

Last Saturday it was bugging me so I googled a couple things:

~~~~1. McCain clinches nomination ~~~~> 3/4/08

~~~~2. Palen announces pregnancy ~~~~~> 3/5/08

Been wearing the hat ever since~~~~~> :tinfoilhat:

[colinmom71]

25. There have been several photos circulating from the Palin family's time at the RNC...

That show Trig quite well. He clearly has the facial features common to babies with Down Syndrome. If you can find the photos that Meghan McCain had on her blog (sorry, saw the link here at DU several days ago and didn't think to save it), she had some really clear photos of the baby and I could tell that he definitely looks like a DS child...

[Midlodemocrat]

29. Well, at the risk of Fristing the baby.

He has the epicanthic folds of a baby with DS. I'd be surprised if that particular little prop of Palin's didn't, actually.

[LisaL]

35. Do you have eyes? Look at his photos.

The baby clearly has Downs syndrome.

[TNDemo]

16. So who would his mother be?

Wouldn't Bristol have had to get pregnant within the first month??

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[pansypoo53219]

19. how do you know she didn't PUPOSELY girdle herself up trying to get rid of trig

you know, oops, i miscarried. down's doesn't happen to women like beauty queen nazi.

[Lucinda]

21. One more time....

Days before giving birth:

April 2008


Last year
2007:

[Lucinda]

23. Top photo contrast adjusted

[Phx_Dem]

42. The 2008 picture doesn't prove she was pregnant,

it simply proves she looks pregnant. I'm not saying she wasn't pregnant or that she isn't Trig's mother, but that photo doesn't prove anything. IF she were trying to cover for her daughter, wouldn't it make sense that she would wear a fake "pregnancy stomach?"

There are so many open questions and strange occurances regarding her pregnancy and Trig's birth, but the one thing that makes me believe she is Trig's mother is that he has DS. Of course, that doesn't prove anything either.

The only thing that will prove it definitively are her medical records and Trig's birth certificate. If she was carrying a special needs baby, she had to have lots of medical records documenting that.

[Alameda]

62. She looks pretty pregnant to me....

I think the issue is the fact that her water broke, she felt contractions and did not seek medical attention. She then waited 26 hours to deliver. To me that is child abuse....plain and simple....

[seabeyond]

100. now get her picture one month and a week before when she announced. march 6? she grew faster in

that one month and one week then all other women do in 4, 5, 6 months. the reason i gave you three different months is we do it at varying stages but in one month and one week you do not go from not showing, to THIS.....

[Ichingcarpenter]

24. Vanity Fair does too ......... Poll

you decide:

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2008/09/the-authoritative-trig-palin-conspiracy-time-line.html#entry-more

[AspenRose]

43. This is crazy.

[enough already]

84. The only thing 'crazy' is taking this witch at her word

I don't believe her. I think she lies every time she opens her damn mouth.

[mnhtnbb]

104. 69% believe Bristol is the mama

[trashcanistanista]

26. She could end this with presenting a birth certificate.

There is no shame in presenting a birth certificate, Obama had to. Why hasn't she done this yet?

[ClarkUSA]

31. Because there is no record of Trig's birth at the hospital she said he was born in.

Which means either Trig was born privately or he was born in another hospital. I suspect the former.

[LisaL]

41. Nope.

There are no photos or birth announcement on hospital's website.
Which is not the same as hospital having no record of his birth.

[ClarkUSA]

45. Then it should be easy for Palin to release a birth certificate to quiet the rumor mill, eh?

Funny how she went back to work after THREE days. I don't think any woman who's given birth can fathom that.

[LisaL]

46. As the story goes, she gave birth to the daughter Piper over night

and went back to work the next day.
She is a regular wonder woman, that one.

[ClarkUSA]

50. Link? Where'd you here that?

I don't believe it.

[LisaL]

52. I've read it right here on DU.

[ClarkUSA]

57. I haven't read anything of the sort anywhere so let's file that under improbable heresay, shall we?

:think:

[elehhhhna]

72. She had Piper in her sleep. didn't notice, went to work

and boy was her husband upset when he called the office to tell her.

LOL enough already.

so much silly speculation.

[LisaL]

94. LOL all you want.

According to Palin herself, she had the kid (Piper) on Monday and went back to work on Tuesday.
For all I know she would have gone back the next day with Trig, but he was born on Friday.

[elehhhhna]

106. How does she define "back to work"? I had my first child on a Saturday...

worked (VP Sales) the day before, and was on the phone w/ an ornery client when Beanies was 3 days old. Pretty funny arguing with a law firm administrator over a billing dispute (from home) while breastfeeding the newborn...so I guess I went back to work 3 days after giving birth.

[slampoet]

65. Where on DU.? Link or STFU.

[LisaL]

95. STFU yourself.

[slampoet]

107. You're the one without the source.

Without a source you are just displaying your ignorance like it's something to be proud of.

[slampoet]

110. PS- your three year old wants his comebacks returned to him.

[TwilightGardener]

66. I read that too--it was on DU, an article that quoted one of her

associates from when she was mayor--he was bragging about her having Piper at night and being back at work the next day.

[ClarkUSA]

71. One of Palin's associates said it, eh? Covering for her to save their jobs, more likely.

It is highly unbelievable. Do you know what a woman looks like/feels like the day after when
all the fluids from the upper half descends into her lower half?

Getting back to the point, where's the birth certificate? You'd think a governor's birth would
make it to the hospital's website when other lesser mortals/women have.

[Thirtieschild]

76. How you feel after childbirth depends on lots of things

The way you're built, how many times you've given birth, how quickly you give birth, whether you had an episiotomy (sp?) That being said, there is something exceedingly strange about this whole story, how Bristol looks (five months pregnant and wearing a belted straight skirt????), the trip from Texas to Alaska while the amniotic fluid was leaking. I would think that anyone who can go back to work three days after giving birth had an easy labor and probably has babies fast. Which means that trip would have been out of the question. Makes no sense at all. Either she didn't mind putting the baby in jeopardy or it's all a lie.

[LeftyMom]

114. I felt fine, and I had a real 24 hour labor, and a much larger baby.

I could have done desk work within two hours of the birth, and only that long of a wait because I was absolutely starving (no food while you're in labor, in case they have to knock you out for an emergency section) and needed time to down three plates of terrible hospital food.

[WinkyDink]

77. The lady herself said something like it, though she doesn't quite say "next day":

http://newsminer.com/news/2008/mar/06/palin-pregnant-fifth-child/

[LisaL]

93. She said she had the kid on Monday and went back to work

on Tuesday.
Which would be the next day.
Hello?

[seabeyond]

101. instead of showing birth certificate, she OUTS her daughter that she is around 5 months preg.

what a mom. once again putting self before her child

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

113. A birth certificate means nothing. The doctor is a crony of hers.

[Midlodemocrat]

28. This is what did it for me.

Her story about the flight from TX to AK. NO mother I know, and I'm a suburban mom so I know plenty, would EVER endanger their baby in that manner.

She was AMA, Advanced Maternal Age, which is an actual OB/GYN diagnosis AND carrying a baby with Down Syndrome. At this point medically, it's not really possible to determine the cardiac defects in a DS baby as well in utero as can be done when they are born.

I CANNOT IMAGINE ANY MOM DOING THIS!!!! ANY MOM!!!!

So, it's one of three things. She's either a liar about this story, or she lied about who the baby's mom is, or she jeopardized that baby's life.

She's a POS.

[ClarkUSA]

30. I saw the same side-by-side picture comparison and came to the same conclusion.

At 7 months, Sarah Palin was huge in her previous pregnancy whereas with Trig she had a flat tummy.
And she went back to work after THREE days. Uh huh.

Not only that, but stewardesses on that flight she took when she allegedly was leaking amniotic fluid
due to her water breaking said that she did not look pregnant and gave no indication that she was
uncomfortable.

Also, Bristol Palin was taken out of school for 8 months during the same time period as when Trig was
born allegedly due to mononucleosis. There's 2 family photos of her in mid-late 2007 where Bristol
has distinctly progressively bigger tummy bumps.

Hmm...

[Bucky]

32. Dammit, Lynne. You used to be smarter than this.

The only plausible reason for her to pretend that a child that wasn't her own actually was hers was to cover up her daughter's pregnancy. Now that that baseless theory is exploded... just what earthly reason could Palin have for pretending that someone else's child is hers?

[ClarkUSA]

36. Bristol could easily have gotten pregnant again. How do we know how far she's really along?

She doesn't look 5 months pregnant to me. There was hardly any sign she was pregnant when she greeted
McCain at the airport last Thursday. It seems to me that Sarah Palin lies as effortlessly as she breathes.

[Bucky]

37. You owe me a new brick wall

This one's wearing out :banghead:

[ClarkUSA]

39. Um, I'll bet you didn't think Edwards was having an affair, either.

I did.

[Bucky]

44. What do you base that conclusion about me on?

I honestly don't think or care about politicians' sex lives. The important thing is that once the facts came out, I didn't continue to deny the obvious. People who think Sarah Palin is pretending to be the mother of this infant yet can't offer one shred of evidence and can't offer a plausible theory as to why she would even want to go through such a potentially dangerous charade, are simply being obstinate--if not trollish.

[ClarkUSA]

48. Because you seem the type. And the facts/evidence indicate Sarah Palin was not pregnant.

At least to me and the OP and many other people. Your patronizing attitude is
noted, though.

I don't know what "facts" or "evidence" you're referring to -- unless you believe
that everything Sarah Palin and the McCain campaign says fall into those categories.

The reason she would want to go through such a charade is obvious. Such charades
have existed in conservative societies for ages.

[seabeyond]

121. one of two things. take your pick. she wasnt preg and used breaking water to get back, pretend, OR

she did a horribly stupid beyond stupid thing not getting medical care for over 18 hours after her water start leaking and went into a plane where no medical care was available, unheard of. simply not done. at all.

meaning poor judgment in a life or death situation with her own child. as pres she will face life and death situations with strangers. if she cannot make a simple good choice with her baby, why should we trust her, at all even a little.

those are the only two choices.

[Phx_Dem]

49. We only know what Sarah has told us. Unfortunately,

Sarah has proven to be a liar about a number of things so I can't take her word for anything.

[LynneSin]

40. I'm smart enough to know what 7months pregnant looks like

and what doesn't look like 7 months and that picture in US Magazine was pretty damning if you ask me.

[GalleryGod]

63. I agree,Lynne

Alaska is Peyton Place Crazy!

[treestar]

85. The only possible explanation - could the DS mean the child

was so much smaller? Does anyone ever look like that at 7 months? Pregnancies can be different for the same woman - different symptoms and different amounts of weight gain.

[Phx_Dem]

53. Because if it were true, that would make Sarah a liar and a fraud.

That's is a pretty good reason to continue to lie especially when you're an elected official and now on the presidential ticket.

The bottom line is we don't know what is true. And we won't until or unless someone provides definitive proof (birth certificate AND medical records). I won't be holding my breath.

[mitchum]

87. PALIN'S PREGNANT UNMARRIED TEEN DAUGHTER could be that fecund

The first kid is likely hers and she could very well be pregnant again already. I don't know why you keep wanting to deny that very simple biological fact.

[pkz]

51. I wasn't gonna go there....but *pics* fixed

They claim that Trig is being breast fed.
Just look at the difference and you tell me...do ya know engorged when ya see it?







HUGE increase in girth or whatever ya call thickness.

[ClarkUSA]

54. Exactly.

There have been others who've noticed Bristol's rather large bustline (far larger than photos taken
early last year) and contrasted that with her mother's petite bustline.

Hmmm.

[LisaL]

55. Well, if you want to go there, at 17, someone's bustline

could still be growing. Jeez.

[pkz]

56. well, been there done that too

and I do know the largest size exaggeration
is post-partum not in the 1st or 2nd trimester

[ClarkUSA]

68. Here's the pic you were looking for: Baby Daddy Levi kissing Trig held by Baby Mommy Bristol

Funny, there's not too many 18 year old young men who would go out of their way to kiss a baby
but the self-proclaimed fucking redneck does. Wonder why?

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/the-softer-side.html

[WinkyDink]

79. That may well be Big Sis and prospective BIL, but it sure could pass for the nuclear family.

[Phx_Dem]

60. Bristol looks like she could be breast feeding in this pic.

Sarah definitely does not appear to be breast feeding, but she could be lying about it.

"

[Nikki Stone1]

67. Oh, for God's sake! What is this, boob watch?

:grr:

[Phx_Dem]

90. No, it's "breast feeding boob" watch

And if you don't like it, read elsewhere. I always love it when people who are so disgusted with certain threads can't stop reading them.

[LeftyMom]

115. After the first week or two, engorgement goes away.

Many breastfeeding women wear their normal bra size after the initial engorgement. I had A cup nursing bras- let me tell you those were a bitch to find- and I definitely was nursing a real, live baby quite frequently, and I had milk to spare. Meanwhile, my pudgy teenage sister, who was about Bristol's age at the time, had a porn-star quality set. That didn't mean I was secretly raising her recently delivered baby, only that the titty fairy visited her room twice and missed mine. Yay for normal human variation.

This is the stupidest argument for babygate yet.

[JVS]

58. Keep hope alive!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

73. maybe it is a love child

[Medusa]

74. She didn't even tell her kids that she was going to have a Down's Kid

until after the child was born and the other children saw him for the first time. Seems she couldn't bear to give her kids "bad news". So says People magazine. Doesn't being Governor & VP involve having to tell others bad news? WTF? That's leadership?

[LisaL]

92. I am starting to think that her peculiar behavior

during pregnancy (not telling people until she was 7 months into it, flying after amniotic fluid was leaking, etc) has a lot more to do with the fact that this child had Downs syndrome than with any conspiracy theory.

[JBoy]

80. Maybe the father is Kramer from Seinfeld. In the show he wanted to call his kid "Isosceles"

http://www.pkmeco.com/seinfeld/handicap.htm

[JI7]

81. only thing i know is the sisters are more affectionate towards Trig

than the parents are.

but i was thinking this could be just because they grew up kind of raising each other with the parents being away. Bristol watching over her younger sisters and now them all watching over Trig.

[HamstersFromHell]

103. I've noticed that as well...

Bristol seems to very protective of Trig, while the alleged mom seems to handle him like he's a stage prop.

The real kicker for me is the airline flight...as someone on another board commented, what OB in their right mind would allow a woman leaking amniotic fluid to board an airliner for a roughly 12 hour flight with layovers and a long car drive afterward? We're talking MASSIVE risk of a malpractice suit there should something happen.

[quakerboy]

86. Not to my Credit, I read the whole thread

And I have to propose that you are all very wrong. In fact, Levi is the mother, Trig is the father, and Sarah is the child. Thats obviously why no one heard of her until very recently.

Until there is some proof, its hardly relevant. So who cares, and why waste time on this unless and until there is proof. Not guesses, but actual proof. Who cares who had the baby, much less who is feeding it. Is there any single person on this board who doubts that Sarah Palin is a liar? Is there any single person who cannot prove, using words from her own mouth and public records that she has lied to anyone and everyone who has heard her speak in the past 7 days?

[smiley_glad_hands]

88. Isn't it more difficult to near immpossible for a woman to get pregnant while breastfeeding?

Something to do with hormones produced while lactating?

[LisaL]

91. It's more difficult but certainly not impossible.

[seabeyond]

102. totally false myth and a lot of preg women have learned. n/t

[rbrnmw]

118. my youngest 2 are 18 months apart

I was breastfeeding when I got pregnant with the baby it happens

[seabeyond]

120. i was sittin in gyno for my second child. they at least were 2 and half years apart

a woman was holding a baby and i asked, you preg. she say yup. i giggled and said, you thought breast feeding would be the contraceptive, and she giggles.... not that she didnt embrace it and all, but it was something we were told/lead to believe, and reality..... doesnt always work that way.

just something i will remember.

[LeftyMom]

116. No.

Frequent, exclusive breastfeeding tends to delay the onset of ovulation, but it's not "damn near impossible" by any stretch of the imagination.

[Condem]

96. Who owns US magazine?

[Duer 157099]

98. Track! What about Track!!

He enlists in the army in September 2007, and is not willing to discuss the reason (the article from the time actually states that -- which is peculiar, because why should he need to state a reason?) Every account of his enlistment is shrouded in some sort of mystery.

Count forward from Sept 2007.

What could have possibly happened around Sept 2007 that was so "big" that it resulted in his enlistment?

Remember that he was 18 at the time.

But let's just suppose that if he is anything like his sister, he may have been fooling around with a girlfriend... clearly the "abstinence" message didn't get through to at least one of the kids.

What if he had a girlfriend who was younger than 18?

What if she got pregnant?

[greblc]

117. Track is Triggs Father? That would make him an uncle too.

Sorry this thread is too ridiculous. The Palin Family is a train wreck. We could stop at that but this is fun. Kinda like Springer.

[uberllama42]

105. I say "enough"

When are we going to drop this bullshit and hit Palin on real issues? Every minute we spend discussing the Palins' wombs is a minute we could have used to talk about Sarah's ethical investigation, criminal activity, penchant for pork, Xian fundamentalism, lack of experience, pro-life extremism, etc.

[Matariki]

108. What REALLY bothers me is the "BLACK IS WHITE, NIGHT IS DAY" theme.

Blatant, absurd lies that anyone in their right mind would question. But things have become so ass backwards that when you state the obvious you are branded a 'kook' or conspiracy theorist.

I couldn't care less about the perceived 'morality' of this issue.

[Nine]

124. I wish I could rec' an individual post.

Anyone who believes the official story is dumber than a box of rocks. Even the official story is full of contradictions.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

109. can we see the genetics, maybe Trig isn't her husband's

you didn't think of that LynneSin!



;)

[indimuse]

119. This place...

just keeps getting Weirder and WEIRDER!!! unreal...

[Beaverhausen]

122. according to the NYT article, Palin didn't tell her own children and parents she was pregnant until.

third trimester.

******************


Most had learned that Ms. Palin was pregnant only a few weeks before. Struggling to accept that her child would be born with Down syndrome and fearful of public criticism of a governor’s pregnancy, Ms. Palin had concealed the news that she was expecting even from her parents and children until her third trimester.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/us/politics/08baby.html?ref=us

[iceman66]

123. If she did fake the pregnancy . . .

. . . don't you think she WOULD have gone out of her way to LOOK pregnant?

This story is a red herring and will get us nowhere.

Best strategy against Palin is to highlight her extreme right-wing policy positions, which are out of the mainstream, and the McCain camp are going out of their way to de-emphasize.