Stunning. Obama on KO. Still, STILL can't say liar. If this is the gig...

[Neshanic]

There are no chicken littles, there are just people with facts.

Right now, KO asks, him, almost begging him to call these poeple liars or what they say is a lie. Kieth is giving it up to him on a freaking plate. But no, no lies or liar.

If this is the Obama that is going into the last legs of the race with this, we are truly fucked.

[geekgrrl]

1. I know it is driving me nuts. THEY"RE LIARS-- SAY IT OVER AND OVER! nt

[Neshanic]

2. This is freaking insane.

[chimpymustgo]

Windsurfing.

[sammytko]

9. He did say they lied..nt

[Doremus]

3. Uh, see his latest ad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBtbG5xjFBY

[gateley]

12. Woo Hoo! ALRIGHT! I love it! nt

[Barackattack]

34. Wooohooo!

Finally He fights back. Go Barack! Get those LYING REPUGLICANTS on there backs and doo a tap dance!
YES WE CAN!

[caseycoon]

74. WOO HOO!

Thanks for posting this!
I love it!
:toast:

[gateley]

4. He can allude to their lies without coming out and saying that word. nt

[geekgrrl]

8. why do that though? Why not say it? Especially if his new ad does?

Really, I want to know what the big deal is!

[Nia Zuri]

40. He cannot come off as an "Angry Black, Man" okay?

[gateley]

53. I've since seen his new spot - the "L" word is used! Have you seen it? nt

[Neshanic]

10. The same strategy, rinse and repeat. Same result.

[gateley]

54. I've since seen his new spot - the "L" word is used! Have you seen it? nt

[Forkboy]

56. Neshanic wouldn't warm up to Obama if they were cremated together.

He claimed once during the primaries he'd vote for McCain, then backed off. But it shows where he's coming from when it comes to all things Obama.

[gateley]

Okay - I'll keep that in mind and save myself future effort --

I LOVE THE "wouldn't warm up to Obama if they were cremated together." :rofl:

[gravity]

5. I prefer the term full of shit

it is much more effective

[amborin]

6. i feel

despair

because there aren't that many days left

and O and dems don't seem to be shaping the agenda enough

or exposing palin for the lying extremist she is

[Webster Green]

7. He hung the word in the air without sounding the syllables..

It was pretty obvious what he was saying.

He's smooth.

[Windy]

11. He said in the beginning that "they aren't telling the truth"..that's as close as he got.,

This isn't the dem primary.YOu aren't dealing with intelligent thoughtful people. Barack I love ya, but you need to get a little MEAN!!

[Neshanic]

13. Thank you!

[Neshanic]

14. Vista dupe...

[ClarkUSA]

15. Obama doesn't need to say the actual word - he said they weren't telling the truth at the beginning.

Besides, the newest Obama ad "No Maverick" calls McCain/Palin on their "lies" (actually says it).

Biden also said the word "lies" today in Iowa, I believe. The attack dog role goes to the VP and
other campaign surrogates.

[Neshanic]

20. Keith is givin em right over the plate, and Obama is like he is on Valium.

[ClarkUSA]

27. You're being unkind. Obama was as unruffled and calm as always as he nailed Gramps/Gidget.

Not sure what you were expecting after 20 months of seeing candidate Obama behave exactly the same way? :shrug:

[Neshanic]

30. It just seems that Keith is more excited than Obama is. WTF is that?

[ClarkUSA]

38. Um, maybe because Obama is a cool, calm and collected guy and KO is a hyper talking head?

You seem determined to trash Obama's excellent interview with KO. Wonder why?

Hmm...

[Raine]

32. He's seems like he's kind of tired

it's hard to pay attention.

[ContinentalOp]

16. Why is this word forbidden in American politics?

In fact do the Republicans even say it?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

17. KO is trying to tell him something and O's not buying it one iota.

KO's saying - get mad. get sharp. get some sound bites. O doesn't think that way

[ClarkUSA]

31. I disagree -- Obama said there's always a sense of urgency when there's only 2 mos. left....

when KO said don't you ever want to get angry? When did KO say "get sharp. get some sound bites"?

[crimsonblue]

18. He can't say they are liars

it could potentially open Obama up to a lib suit. It is completely accurate to say they are misrepresenting themslves, but to say that Mccain's positions are lies is iffy. I know this sounds wishy washy, but politics ain't exactly straight talk.

[AZ Criminal JD]

57. Please don't practice law especially when you don't know what you are talking about.

He can say "liars" or anything else and he will not be open to a libel suit. How ridiculous.

[chascarrillo]

19. Thank you for your concern.

[Neshanic]

23. Funny. Laugh away.

[chascarrillo]

39. I will most certainly laugh at people who write epitaphs two months before the election.

It truly is rather funny.

[Neshanic]

43. You will get you best laughs when McCain wins.

[chascarrillo]

46. Now you're just plain trolling.

[brentspeak]

64. Accusation of "concern" not warranted

[chascarrillo]

66. Touche!

Nice one.

[liberalmuse]

21. "They are LYING"

I noticed that too. Obama spent a paragraph skirting around what could've been said in 2 or 3 words: "THEY'RE LYING!"

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

22. Worst concern ever.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. That's unparliamentarian.

Just like me calling you a troll, it's not something that would be wise to do.

[spanone]

25. president obama is above such shit...and THAT'S change

[Neshanic]

28. Wow, people are going to be in for such a surprise if this is the stock answer.

[Cronus Protagonist]

26. He's a liar, you're a liar, I'm a liar, Bush is a liar and fuck it, we're ALL liars

It makes no sense to point that out - it would just make a million fingers point back at Obama. Then, one single thing that looks like a slight mis-speak on Obama's part, BAM!!! It would all be over.

So, no, he should not say it and he's doing fine. Thank you.


(You, however, can yell it from the rooftops of the Internets as long as you like. People who are not in the public eye have the luxury of not bothering when they are exposed as hypocrites.)

[FrenchieCat]

29. So that he can be attacked for calling names....and have more distraction.....

He just put out an ad calling where they are called liars. Others can do it...he doesn't need to get into the name calling. It wouldn't help him, just make voters mad that he somehow "disrespected" his opponents.

I think it will come, but calling folks liars ain't exactly a new kind of politics.

It's a tightrope and he's walking it. Obama to some extent has to be what Jackie Robinson was to Baseball. Sad but true.

What I hate are those who criticize him for this, while worrying about how his being Black will affect the election. You can't have it both ways. You can't on the one hand acknowledge that his race is his only real weakness in this contest, and yet insist that he acts in a way that too many Americans will use as an excuse to stereotype him.

[southern_dem]

35. Exactly

Point out her lies, but don't get bogged down in the mud of name-calling.

[FrenchieCat]

47. As though screaming "LIAR" is going to make him a hero.

It doesn't work that way, and I'm glad, if others don't know it, that he does.

I do believe that he is smarter than a whole lot of folks as to the lay of the land.

He is fighting not only liars, but a lying media. He understands that this election is about us, not who he was badass enough to call a name. That kind of shit would turn off the moderates,
and it isn't necessary. Others can call the liars what they are. He has to be a bit more diplomatic about it, and I understand why.

[Neshanic]

33. When asked if she is qualified to be VP....uh, uh,....tangent.... Why not just "NO."

This is bordering on tragedy. When flat out asked if she is qualified. Direct question. Just a no would suffice. Can't say it.

[silverlil]

55. Exactly!

This was my sentiment at that point. --- just say NO. And Keith would have left it a that.

Senator Obama needs to start learning soundbites. He keeps on about how he trusts the American people, but he needs to start calling out McCain and Palin for their lies. Short and simple instead of running on. He never did give Keith a direct answer on the 'elitist' question, he went around it and started on about something else.

He has to do better than this on a one-on-one interview. We desperately need him to win this election for good of this nation.

[renate]

65. I felt disloyal feeling the same way... I agree that soundbites would have been good

Obama seemed pretty subdued. I've been reading all day about how he and Biden have been on fire at their rallies, so I was expecting some red, juicy, bloody meat covered in teethmarks. I think even Keith was disappointed--he kept setting him up to address the cornucopia of lies that is the McCain campaign, but no.

I know the people working on the campaign have access to polls and survey data and focus groups and so on, so I have to trust that, having gotten him to the nomination, they'll get him the rest of the way to the White House. So I'm not concern trolling, just wishing for the meat I'd expected.

[mrJJ]

36. Its the undecided and the moderates

Obama if fighting for the undecideds and moderates; he knows he has the Dem base.. I personally think he needs surrogates to do the hard core attacks.

[Neshanic]

37. When we have KO who went to bat and took the hit for us, and have our guy

sit there and get asked questions by him, that are set up just for him, from a completely sympatheic person, and have this, this parody occur is beyond belief.

[ClarkUSA]

41. Nonsense. I encourage readers of this thread to watch the DU video when it's up.

Judge for yourself what a cool guy Obama is. :smoke:

[President_Obama]

42. he has called them liars in the past and he will do so in the future

just because you choose to ignore the facts, they are not negated.

[krkaufman]

44. I was disappointed, as well, but Obama knows what he's doing.

He can't be the one who calls it out; that's what spokespeople and surrogates are for. Obama, as he said, needs to stay focused on a positive message, addressing the issues.

[secondwind]

51. agree with you.......

[BlueManDude]

58. YOU ARE SO FUCKING WRONG. OBAMA HAS TO BE THE ONE TO CALL THEM LIARS

otherwise it will mean nothing.

This is the same argument i had 4 years ago about Kerry when JFK should have personally called out Bush on W's shady National Guard record. The candidate himself HAS to do it.

[hasssan1]

71. AMEN. THSI SHIT REMIND ME 4 YEARS AGO AGAIN. NO BACK BONE

[ClarkUSA]

45. Readers of this "concerned" OP, please go here for the official KO/Obama interview thread --->

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6992434&mesg_id=6992434

[brentspeak]

63. Accusation of "concern" not warranted here

[Jennicut]

48. People, Obama is not a baby. "wahhahha, they're lying"

He did the ad about their lies and that was good enough but Obama is not into he said/she said politics. He's there to change the system. If you don't like it then move on and deal with it. I for one like Obama's way and he's done fine so far.

[EndElectoral]

49. If he uses the word liars, the MSM would have to pick it up. Go for it.

[secondwind]

50. Obama hinted that this is his strategy until at least the debates..........

I think the gloves will really come off after them.........sort of like what Gore did in 2000.......

[RollWithIt]

52. Why should he directly involve himself in the BS?

It's beneath him.... for now....

[Erin Elizabeth]

60. I also noticed something he did.....

he addressed the Palin bridge to nowhere thing with a very dismissive comment about not telling the truth, but then he steered it back to McCain instead of paying so much attention to Palin.

I agree with that strategy.

[Erin Elizabeth]

59. He said "they aren't telling the truth" VERY firmly right at the

beginning, in fact that was the very first thing he said.

Why is this your second thread on the same thing?

[EndElectoral]

70. Obama's being "polite". Admirable, but not accurate.They're LIARS, not simply not telling the truth.

Liar implies distortion of a known truth.

Not telling the truth allows for the possiblility they are misguided becasue they may be unaware of the truth.

I'm sorry.

They're liars. People looks for a strong Commander in Chief, not a polite diplomat. He has got to call them on lies. Beleive they will pull everything out to win.

He needs to show backbone as well as graciousness, and civility.

I understand what he is doing, and respect it, but I think it wil lbe difficult to win with this strategy.

It relies on great trust of the MSM to reveal these lies as lies, and upon an ignorant voting base of people who only are informed by the MSM to get the real truth. I'm sick of watching our candidates lose because they're too nice to upset the apple cart, and call it like it is.

[merh]

61. Do you think the announcement about KO not being the hotheaded

anchor or whatever was timed just right or what?

[dancingme]

62. If a black man calls that "nice white woman" a "liar"

he will never get the bigots to vote for him. A co-worker of mine today said she has decided to vote for McCain because Palin is "so nice". Three woman near me, and me, all screamed "NICE??" We told her how extreme Palin's views are and how unprepared for the job of president she is. The co-worker's response, "What has Obama done?". She admitted that she does not follow politics and was undecided but thought that Obama would raise taxes. She said she did not like McCain but now she thinks Palin is great. This woman needs information presented quietly and intelligently. If she sees Obama on TV saying that Palin is not telling the truth she may listen. If she sees him use the word "liar" she will turn off Obama for the next 8 weeks.

Obama knows what a black man can and cannot say to some white people. I think he is playing this smart.

[EffieBlack]

75. "Not telling the truth" = simple fact about the statements someone has made. "/Lie/Liar" = implies

a moral judgment about the person making the statements.

Like someone in another thread, we were never allowed to call anyone a "liar" in our house.

I think many people still recoil at hearing anyone called a liar, regardless how justified it is. Obama is smart not to go there. Just keep saying they're no telling the truth, and then pivot right back to his point - connecting Bush and McCain at the hip. Liar Liar Pants on Fire is a distraction.

[Zuiderelle]

67. Oh PLEASE. He did the right thing. Leave it to Olbermann and Maddow to call the lying liars liars.

Obama needs to be a diplomat. It's part of the job he's aspiring to.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

68. Same shit, Same author, Redundant OP. Fuck. C'mon, let's put an end to this crap!

[HughMoran]

72. Agreed - the other "concern" thread was locked

Let's make it 2 for 2!

[Born_A_Truman]

73. Maybe there should be a hand-wringing forum

so we can keep this crap out of the GDP. I've had it up to here.

[hasssan1]

69. If this is the Obama that is going into the last legs of the race with this, we are truly fucked.

I CAN'T AGREE MORE. WTF IS GOING WITH OBAMA AND BIDEN.

FAILIN MAKE FUN OF THEM AND LIE ABOUT HIM , AND BIDEN GOES ON TV AND CALL HER SMART WOMEN.



I SWEAR TO GOD IF OBAMA DON'T GET TOUGHER , WE WILL LOOSE AGAIN