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DemocracyInaction Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 08:57 AM
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Obama Has Money Problems
Nice way to wake up, huh? Heard it about 45 minutes ago on MSNBC. It's not the amount of money; it's the spending of it. Apparently, they have to keep up all these "boots on the ground" and staff and now don't have a whole lot for insignificant things like ADVERTISEMETS! Now, I'm going to say my piece that I've been saying for several months:

Whenever I or others pulled our hair out a couple months ago about "no ads" while McCain was putting one up every few days, we were told to be patient because this massive organization of boots on the ground was the key! (Inside myself I would say "I can't believe that a high tech campaign trying to reach people could fall into this swamp).

Well, for every one person a "volunteer" reaches, McCain's ads (that must cost like 10 cents to produce) reached millions.

By the end of it all, 99.999% of people in any state will have not touched, talked, smelled or interacted with a volunteer---but McCain's ads will have reached every last one of them.

Apparently, we are rather painted into a corner because more money sent will have to be spent on the organization rather than ads, etc. And, unfortunately, now between the "polls" and this info getting out, you can bet there will be less money flowing in.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:01 AM
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1. I think the free media would be enough if only Obama knew how to message properly.
Unfortunately, they don't do so well at it.
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:05 AM
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7. ....
:wtf:
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:10 AM
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14. They are being completely upstaged by Palin lately.
Drowned out.
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:01 AM
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2. OK. That really
sucks. I've read a little bit on this subject over at Huffington. Disturbing. Time to throw another $50 into the pot ...
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:03 AM
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3. Kicking. I'm giving until it hurts
beause that can't touch the pain we'll all feel if McCain wins. And McCain has bottomless money pits available to him.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:03 AM
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4. He does manage his money better than other dems.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:03 AM
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5. Keep donating by all means I know I will
BUT, here is the important use of money..and it is boots on the ground. The commercials, being used the last month will be much more effective.

Its timing. You want great commercials that will have people stop and think, not tune it out because they have seen it a 1000 times too early.

Just saying
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:04 AM
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6. How about a link that backs up your claims?
I'm not saying you're wrong when you say it's not about the amount but about the way their spending it, but I heard on the news that it was more about the amount....that they don't think they can keep up with amounts they've raised in previous months.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:08 AM
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12. Maybe the claims will help Obama raise soem more cash?
Hopefully. I just donated again when I ahd not planned to until next month.
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DemocracyInaction Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:14 AM
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17. ntn--here's what I know
(having trouble getting my posts through--damn computer). So again quickly because I have to go. C Todd was referring to NYTimes or Wash. Post (don't remember because too shocked) Apparently story coming out. Best fundraising in August, etc. but no amounts cited. But the problem isn't the money it's the massive organization.
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:47 AM
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31. Ditto
I've heard this repeated a zillion times today, but no hard figures to back it up.

I call bullshit.
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DemsUnited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:05 AM
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8. Donated again. And will keep on donating as well as volunteering.
This is just too important.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:06 AM
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9. Time to chip in some more cash
We've got to win this one, and it's worth doing without something right now.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:06 AM
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10. why do you believe what you hear on MSNBC?
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 09:06 AM by Teaser
wait for O to release his monthly totals.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:08 AM
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11. Oh calm down already. Obama is very very good with the money he gets.
I have never seen another Dem use his money as wisely. If there is such a big concern then we will simply donate. Putting "boots on the ground" is very important as a grassroots organization is what the Rethugs have had all these years. For years all we did was advertise and it did not work so....
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curious one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:09 AM
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13. I have donated twice of my monthly donation last night. Will do more later this month.
I hope other DUers do so.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:11 AM
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15. Here in the battleground state of Wisconsin in 2 hours this morning I've seen
8 McCain ads and just 2 Obama ads. Lately that has seemed to be the average.
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nradisic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:13 AM
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16. Another $50 for Barack
Donate till it fucking hurts...because it is going to hurt a hell of a lot more getting fucked by a Moose...
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:15 AM
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18. In SW Pennsylvania I've been screaming at my TV and Radio
Where the hell are the Obama ads? I've been tracking. I've seen 1 Obama ad and at least a dozen McCain ads. Radio I've heard a number of McCain ads. Not 1 Obama ad.

I'm really getting concerned that once more Dems are going to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!
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Boz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:20 AM
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25. Yes you will If your swayed this easily.
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DemocracyInaction Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:20 AM
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26. Oh God--Wisconsin and PA
Referring to two posts above. I thought we had no ads here because it's suppose to be firm in Obama's column but for christ's sake don't tell me they are not hitting and outspending him in ads in these critical states. Now I'm sicker than ever. He may have to pull in these "boots" operations in some states and start concentrating money where it is needed.
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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:16 AM
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19. Shut up. Just Shut Up. (eom)
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President Decider Donating Member (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:17 AM
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20. AT THIS JUNCTURE .... I DON'T BELIEVE SHIT THE MSM SAYS AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU ...
Can't you see they clearly have an agenda?

Obama could be making wine from septic water right now and someone from the MSM would be complaining that we need more septic water and that Obama is hurting some eco system.
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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:18 AM
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21. I Disagree

I think McCain is wasting his money, a month from now nobody will remember the ads he ran in august and september. The important time to run ads is in october, and I think that is the Obama plan.

I also think the "boots on the ground" organization will pay off in the long run to get out the vote, and people will actually remember the ads run in october.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:19 AM
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23. Get outta my head stewert ;) nt
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:54 AM
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32. I agree. This would make the most sense. Let the opponent blow it all...
let the dust settle and then hit hard and heavy just before the election. Timing is everything and if done right will get you more bang for the buck. B-)

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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:18 AM
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22. As much as I hate to say it, we still have 2 long months to go. Ads work
but do people really remember what the ads say 2 months later? 1 month later? Hell, some people can't even remember what they ate for dinner last weekend.

Steady mates, steady. Keep donating or whatever it is that you do on behalf of the ticket and stay strong!
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:19 AM
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24. Why should I believe that?
First, it's not the kind of information that the campaign would want announced or leaked.

Second, consider the source: mainstream/rightwing media. Think they have a motivation to be equitable to Obama? They have spread so many lies and misrepresentations so far, why not one more?
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:21 AM
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27. It's based on campaign finance data that's available to the public
There's another post in this forum with the article from the NYT.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:24 AM
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28. Thanks. I wish it were otherwise.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:26 AM
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29. I never understood why campaigns don't just pour most of their money
into TV and radio ads--especially local markets. That's where most people, especially the coveted elderly, get their political information. McLoser doesn't have nearly the "field offices" in most states that Obama has, and yet they're tied in the polls--based on TV. If I were Obama, I'd sacrifice some field offices and staff and do more TV and radio ads.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 09:29 AM
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30. If you're worried, donate to the DNC
http://www.democrats.org

They need the cash badly.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:07 AM
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33. I am not worried.
I am not worried.

What was EVERYONES first reaction when they saw this?
To donte right. So imagine couple million people saw this story. They throw in $50.
Sept might be the biggest fundraising month ever.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:22 AM
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34. The power of TV advertising is indisputable & Obama needs more of it...
Barack's messages and themes are being co-opted before his very eyes. It's not enough to simply register a complaint against republican for not playing fair. When you do little but register a complaint, republicans know they have you cause you're unprepared to do anything else.

It's time to get busier here too.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:22 AM
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35. Well now move on is able to put out ads with Obama's blessing we can make this work.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:22 AM
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36. Well now move on is able to put out ads with Obama's blessing we can make this work.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:23 AM
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37. Media is the most powerful thing on earth he should of known that pfff come on obama.
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BlueInPhilly Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:27 AM
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38. He could have effing opted for public financing
So galant, or arrogant of him? Damn, this campaign is really making me mad.

Sorry - I have been feeling down already, and so are the folks I know - and we live in PA!
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:29 AM
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39. He did right to toss the public financing. He would be severely limited. nt
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BlueInPhilly Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:34 AM
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40. Delete
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 10:35 AM by BlueInPhilly
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BlueInPhilly Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:34 AM
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41. Delete
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 10:35 AM by BlueInPhilly
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BlueInPhilly Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:34 AM
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42. Delete
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 10:36 AM by BlueInPhilly
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BlueInPhilly Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 10:34 AM
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43. Better severely limited than broke!
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 10:34 AM by BlueInPhilly
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 11:07 AM
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44. Does anyone else think that Obama is building up a huge windup pitch
Edited on Tue Sep-09-08 11:09 AM by nc4bo
and that the campaign is not in ZOMG!11!! big financial trouble (although they could always. always. always use the money).

I think we'll know more where we and the campaign stands when the August numbers roll out.

ETA: Anyone know what the DNC's current $$ numbers are or where to find the info?
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