Dems are bringing out the heavy weapons with POW ad!!

[charlie and algernon]

http://www.democracyforamerica.com/activities/votenow

A fellow POW with McCain at the Hanoi Hilton is calling him out on his temperment.

[charlie and algernon]

1. no one has any thoughts on it?

it's a pretty powerful ad

[FreakinDJ]

2. about time

Turn lose the dogs

[Doremus]

3. They're thinking about running the ad. Folks may want to go see it and comment. n/t

[nc4bo]

6. Done did. nt

[Mabus]

10. Commented and donated.

K&R

[alsame]

4. Good! The Obama camp has been rolling out this

temperment issue slowly, Sebelius and Boxer both mentioned it last week, but this is even more powerful.

[Mabus]

5. I was just thinking about this

McCain is such a rarity, a Republican who has actually served. We've mostly had chickenhawks who didn't want to talk about their deferments and cushy placements. They got the media to take off the table for them while attacking us. Let's face it. We Democrats have been running war veterans long enough that the GOP has had time to develop tactics to take them down. McCain is a rare creature that we haven't figured out how to tame yet. This looks like a giant step in the right direction.

K&R

[Skwmom]

7. Not only is the bottom of the ticket terrifying, but the top of the ticket is as well.

[mopinko]

8. meh. the ad does not go far enough, imho

i would like to pound this home, but this guy just seems like he is passing on gossip.

[charlie and algernon]

13. it's certianly a good start

There's also a longer 4 minute clip on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLWEDMLmjKk

[kysrsoze]

9. I don't like it - comes off like another swift boat ad - with even less substantiation

If they can throw in actual substantiated examples, that's fine. But the ad really is nothing more than one guy saying, "He's a hot head."

[The Stranger]

12. The question is whether he is fit to be President, and the answer is no.

[kysrsoze]

14. I agree with you - originally read your response wrong.

We need to batter them with FACTS, not statements from one person.

[The Stranger]

17. They never had "facts" on John Kerry -- don't need them for John McCain.

We can work on the facts, but in the meantime, let's get this man's story out.

[kysrsoze]

19. So sink to their level to beat them? There's enough dirt already - they just have to throw it

All he has to come back with is, "I'm a POW" and the idiots will buy it. It backfires on us every time.

How bout Keating 5? How bout his veteran voting record? How bout his screwing education and the middle class? We don't need swiftboat garbage. How bout his rapture-ready VP choice?

[The Stranger]

20. Please, spare me the holier-than-thou bullshit. There are plenty of fronts to attack them on.

No need to limit ourselves. Test the waters to see what is effective, then unload on them. We need to do what it takes to win this election.

[kysrsoze]

27. The only bullshit is coming from your mouth. How well did "Betrayus" work out? Fool.

This board has become rife with fools who shout down anyone who doesn't agree with them. How about actually showing some principles?

[The Stranger]

30. Stop being so afraid of them and what they are supposedly going to do to you.

"The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed."

-Steve Biko

[The Stranger]

11. McCain's Mental Instability Makes him Unfit to be President.

Perhaps he served his constituents well in the Senate -- that does not mean he can serve the nation as President.

[Doremus]

15. My only concern is that it might unleash a storm a la Betrayus.

If that happened it would become a backfire of the worst kind.

[abumbyanyothername]

16. John McCain is not somebody I would like to see . . .

I liked the closing line (Although I would have said McCain is not someONE I would like to see . . . etc.).

The buildup is not exactly, however, interesting or compelling to me.

Volatility and Judgment are winning issues for us.

[RoadRage]

18. Don't Like It = Swiftboat..

Frankly, our party has decried "Swiftboating" for the past 4 years.. and it would look VERY hypocritical for us to start throwing that around. Let's leave the Republicans to be the hypocrites here.. frankly there are plenty of other reasons to go after McCain.

Also - to add.. I do think that what the message is saying is CORRECT - PTSD is NOT a good disorder for a sitting president to have. I have to assume that most people realize this.. putting this ad out however isn't going to influence most who have decided for McCain anyway, but it could bring on a flood of POW's FOR McCain who will go on and on about how great of a guy he is under pressure, etc.

I say we leave it alone!

[TwilightGardener]

23. Swiftboating is making up and spreading lies about someone's record--this man is

just stating his informed opinion on McCain. If an outside group wants to run it as a web ad to get emailed around, I'm all for it, as long as it's not attached officially to the Dem party or the Obama campaign.

[tannybogus]

21. It would be a mistake IMHO.

The blowback on this could be immense. I do think there are POW ads that could be run. However, one man's opinion, however valid, would just create sympathy for McCain. He has a lot of fellow POWs ready to vouch for him and is shameless in using them. Hell, I want a POW ad run, but it better be much more sufficient than this.

[greguganus]

25. I agree. I think this would create sympathy for the old man. n/t

[TwilightGardener]

22. How is this affiliated with the Dem party? Is there a tie to the DNC that I'm missing?

[charlie and algernon]

24. I didn't say it was DNC or Obama

It's DFA, and last I checked its a national DEM organization

[TwilightGardener]

26. Well, I would be very careful in attributing this ad to Democrats, lest

people think that the ad is connected to the official party. Dems get unfairly blamed for everything MoveOn and Code Pink do--outside groups need to be kept separate from the DNC and Obama.

[tannybogus]

28. It is set up by DFA.

It is a group created by Howard Dean. Grassroots political organization founded by Howard Dean. Dedicated to recruiting, training, promoting and funding progressive candidates. I called and it is a spot they are thinking of running. I just wanted to be sure who I was dealing with.

[TwilightGardener]

29. OK--but even though Dean is the DNC chair, this outside group

sounds like his own puppy. Otherwise, it would be a DNC ad. I wouldn't attach the word "Democrat" to it--just call it an outside progressive political group.