Here's the meme folks: Palin's not a liar. She's a thief!

[Pacifist Patriot]

EDIT: Please refer to the information in a response below. I took something else that was said at DU at face value and did not know Palin had been released from the obligation of the earmark. Regardless, I do believe examples of thievery will get you further than examples of lying when talking about Palin's record.

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Of course she's an outrageously egregious liar. No doubt about that.

BUT

I really think the flip flop thing doesn't have much traction anymore. Average Cynical Joe Voter assumes all politicians change their mind more often than they change underwear. When do you know a politican is lying? When his or her lips move. So "Palin lied" is likely to be met with a "What else is new?" and a shrug.

BUT

Palin begged for and took millions of our federal tax dollars to improve her small town.

Palin took the hundreds of millions of our federal tax dollars earmarked for that stupid bridge and used it anyway, even when she backed off the project when it was clear it was generating ill will and bad press.

What do you call someone who takes your money and uses it for something other than for what it was intended? A thief.

*shrug* I realize it may seem over the top to some people, perhaps quibbling over words, but in my opinion. She's a thief.

Just sayin'

EDIT: Please folks, read past the headline. This is about engaging in a conversation with Average Cynical Joe Voter. I am encountering way too many people who really cannot understand what the hoopla is about. "Who gives a shit if she was for it before she was against it? Much ado about nothing." is the essence of the response I'm getting.

[BlooInBloo]

1. How is it thievery to take proffered money? That's just stupid.

EDIT: And i LOVE your realization of how stupid that is, with your pathetic attempt at pre-emptive defense: "perhaps quibbling over words" - HAHAHAHA!!!! Words don't mean whatever the hell you want them to mean, tiger.


EDITEDIT: As long as we're not "quibbling over words", why not call her a child molester too? :rofl:

[Pacifist Patriot]

3. Read my entire sentence

"and uses it for a purpose other than for what it was intended."

When the earmarked project goes away, you're a thief if you use the money for something else. Just my opinion. People don't have to agree with me.

When I was a kid and my mom sent me to the store for milk, if I had used the money to buy soda instead, I'd have been stealing my mom's money even though she gave it to me. No?

[BlooInBloo]

6. Now you're just plain making shit up....

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/214713.php

"She kept it. Once it was no longer earmarked for the Bridge, Palin kept it for other pork barrel projects of her own choosing."

The money was no longer earmarked.


If you want to call here a thief so badly, why don't you just use the various other GENUINE examples of thievery, rather than making shit up? Like charging the state for lodging when she was living at her home, and such things. I really don't understand why you're using this jackass-stupid example, when there's an easy, clear, and TRUE one ready at hand.


EDIT: For the deliberately or accidentally dense: "no longer earmarked" means "the money isn't specfically FOR milk", in your attempted analogy.

[Pacifist Patriot]

8. Fine. I'm still going to stand by my point that her mind-change about the bridge...

is generating very little traction with average voters.

I do appreciate your link and did not realize she was released from the earmark for the bridge. I didn't make the shit up, I got it from another thread here at DU. Which of course I should know better than to believe everything I read at DU. You caught me.

I am not being deliberately or accidentally dense. Personally, I don't mind being corrected. I'd appreciate it if you would take the time to educate me in the future without having to insult intelligence and use phrases like "jackass-stupid." All you had to say was, it sounds like you don't realize the funds were released for other use. Here's the link.

I would definitely appreciate a list of genuine examples of her thievery so I have that legitimate information at my fingertips.

[BlooInBloo]

9. I really just don't understand your difficulty....

How much clearer can it be?



Oh, and your pre-emptive "quibbling" defense belies your "oh don't pick on me, it was nothing more than an honest mistake!".

[Pacifist Patriot]

10. I guess I don't understand when I....

I thanked you for the new information. Edited the original post to correct my mistake. Referenced your response. And agreed that a list of real thievery would be helpful.

So I'm not sure what difficulty it is you think I'm having.

In my personal experience, the Palin wafflers don't care about her lying, but examples of thievery will make a difference. I wholeheartedly agree they should be genuine examples of thievery.

I asked that you be a little more respectful when correcting someone's misinformation. Is that where I am being difficult with you?

[BlooInBloo]

11. "I would definitely appreciate a list of genuine examples of her thievery"

That's the difficulty I don't understand, and answered pictorally.

[Pacifist Patriot]

12. I've seen stuff here and there. A comprehensive and easily referenced list...

to disseminate would come in handy. Not everyone has time to glean DU and the rest of the internet. There is a lot of chaff to separate from the wheat as you obviously know.

I do appreciate the graphic. Thank you.

My apologies, given your first response I thought you were still being combative with me. I promise I am not thick, just overwhelmed.

[cdb]

2. It isn't a binary thing

she could be both a liar and a thief, they aren't mutually exclusive.

[Pacifist Patriot]

4. Indeed. Which is why I said what I did.

She absolutely is a liar. I'm just encountering far too many people who don't care about that part of it. But when you tell them she kept the money, their eyes just about pop out of their heads. They assume the money went back to Washington if it didn't get used on the bridge. Naive yes, but that's how the people I'm talking to about the Bridge to Nowhere are thinking. I got someone firmly in the Obama camp today by informing them of this part of the story.

[Blue_Roses]

5. what did she do with that money anyway?

is that the money she used to give out the rebates? If so, there's another lie. I think the woman has serious mental issues...really.

[Pacifist Patriot]

7. If I understand it correctly it just got absorbed into the state budget for other projects.

I think part of it was used to build the "road to nowhere" that stops where the bridge was supposed to begin. But otherwise, I'm not sure if there is even a detailed accounting of what went where. Someone more familiar with Alaska state accounting will have to step in on this one.