Conversation with a fellow gay man -- he thinks Obamas are evil -- how can this be?

[stevietheman]

Here's part of a chat I was having with another gay man -- trying to get to know him, and considering going out with him and such. It's a rather jarring opinion he makes about Barack and Michelle Obama after discovering on my MySpace page that I very much support Obama. Take a read...

9/6/2008 9:44:10 PM <thatshott2008> you have more pics your can send me
9/6/2008 9:45:10 PM <Stevie_for_reals> there's more on my myspace www.myspace.com/stevietheman
9/6/2008 9:46:17 PM <thatshott2008> oh lord
9/6/2008 9:46:21 PM <thatshott2008> i bout fel over dead
9/6/2008 9:46:27 PM <Stevie_for_reals> from what?
9/6/2008 9:47:12 PM <thatshott2008> that obama shit
9/6/2008 9:47:21 PM <Stevie_for_reals> is that bad?
9/6/2008 9:47:34 PM <thatshott2008> omg
9/6/2008 9:48:31 PM <thatshott2008> wow
9/6/2008 9:49:15 PM <Stevie_for_reals> wow good, or wow bad?
9/6/2008 9:49:24 PM <thatshott2008> horrible
9/6/2008 9:49:31 PM <Stevie_for_reals> horrible?
9/6/2008 9:49:35 PM <thatshott2008> yeah
9/6/2008 9:49:40 PM <Stevie_for_reals> why?
9/6/2008 9:49:46 PM <thatshott2008> i hate that man
9/6/2008 9:49:57 PM <Stevie_for_reals> what has he done to make you hate him?
9/6/2008 9:50:14 PM <thatshott2008> errie feeling bout him and his antichrist wife
9/6/2008 9:50:37 PM <Stevie_for_reals> I've never seen anything bad from her
9/6/2008 9:50:51 PM <thatshott2008> i hate her too
9/6/2008 9:50:57 PM <thatshott2008> they are the antichrist
9/6/2008 9:51:18 PM <Stevie_for_reals> not sure where you get that from... I think they're awesome
9/6/2008 9:51:37 PM <thatshott2008> to each their own... im off here have a good night
9/6/2008 9:51:47 PM <Stevie_for_reals> you too
9/6/2008 9:51:55 PM <Stevie_for_reals> lost interest over politics?
9/6/2008 9:52:02 PM <thatshott2008> sort of yeah
9/6/2008 9:52:12 PM <Stevie_for_reals> oh well
9/6/2008 9:52:52 PM <Stevie_for_reals> take it easy
9/6/2008 9:53:01 PM <thatshott2008> you too

Where in the heck does an attitude like this come from? Note that we're both in Louisville, Kentucky, a somewhat progressive area in the regressive state of Kentucky.

[slinkerwink]

1. it's the Anti-Christ imagery in "The One" ads

[YOY]

2. Log Cabin

You don't want to stick your shit in that dude.

[tblue]

4. Is he one of those self-loathing gays?

[jakem]

19. Larry Craig

[hulklogan]

3. McClurkin.

Unfortunately, there is a lot of leftover anger from McClurkin.

I'm not angry at Obama about it anymore, I've moved on. But I still don't find him completely trustworthy when it comes to LGBT issues.

However, he's light years ahead of McBush and Mooselini.

[Solomon]

6. What nonsense. Bet he doesn't feel the same way about Palin

who's church has prayer nights to fix gays. Try racism.

[LisaM]

10. I would be interested to know his feelings about Palin

While I can somewhat understand his lack of enthusiasm about Obama, surely SHE must have him running scared?

[DevonRex]

17. That's not lack of enthusiasm for Obama. That's out and out hatred. nt

[LisaM]

20. I was focusing in on the "lost interest" part

I would think that Palin would galvanize the gay vote - to vote against HER.

[DevonRex]

21. That sure would make sense, wouldn't it? Some people are just

plain old stupid and/or racist. I'm wondering if that guy is really even gay.

[yardwork]

30. There are right-wing fundies who are also gay. Log Cabin Republicans.

Also self-hating closeted right-wingers.

[DevonRex]

38. I have lots of empathy for closeted folks. Imagine what it must be

like to have been raised fundie and to feel you cannot be what you are. If I could hug them I would. If they would believe me, I'd tell them that everything is okay and that they CAN be themselves. As it is, they have been browbeaten and brainwashed and made to feel shame, or "less than."

As a mom, I know how much different their lives could have been if they had just been brought up in a truly liberal family that loved and supported them. And for those of faith, just think of what their spiritual lives could have been if they had just been brought up in a congregation that is loving and welcoming.

Ok. Off my soap box now. :)

[stevietheman]

35. He's gay and goes out to gay nightclubs. n/t

n/t

[DevonRex]

39. Wow. I hope he is someone you can turn around eventually. nt

[yardwork]

27. I was angry about McClurkin too but McCain/TaliPalin are a million times worse.

Besides, this poster was talking that "anti-Christ" crap. That's a right-wing smear on the Obamas. This guy was either a plant or a right-wing fundy.

[Beregond2]

5. There are plenty of right-wing moron gays.

Being gay isn't a guarantee of intellience.

[stevietheman]

7. But self-interest doesn't require that much smarts, does it? n/t

n/t

[Beregond2]

42. You'd think, huh?

I'll tell you what I think Gay Republicans real problem is. They are raised in conservative families and environments, so coming to terms with being gay in itself is a huge thing for them. It involves an even bigger break from all they have known than it does for for liberals. So also accepting that all they have been taught about political and social issues is also wrong, and breaking from their backgrounds in that way too, is just too much.
To put it in a phrase: "Mom and Dad, I may be gay, but at least I'm still Republican!"

[justiceischeap]

8. Being gay and voting repug, IMO, is internalized homophobia. (eom)

[melody]

9. He's an idiot

They come in all shapes, sizes and gender preferences.

[blondeatlast]

11. He's gay and spouting Anti-Christ BS? He doesn't know the Bible and I'd run, not walk

from that kind of disconnect.

[Bluebear]

12. 'you have more pics your can send me' - ecch.

Pichunter for starters. Dump him lol.

[stevietheman]

14. I stear clear of anyone like this... I'm glad I found out the dirt in this, the first convo. n/t

n/t

[Bluebear]

15. You said it.

And you're adorable, one picture should have told him that :)

[stevietheman]

18. Awww thanks. I guess that "evil Obama" superceded my cuteness. :) n/t

n/t

[Ichingcarpenter]

13. He could be an astro-turfer too

One of those who appears to be who he's not

[stevietheman]

16. No, I've saw him at the gay nightclub the night of the conversation.

That's where we were going to meet if we did indeed meet. (But I avoided him)

[Ichingcarpenter]

25. No clue unless its his religion and upbringing

I bet he came out of the closet late..... Actually, I have no clue, I only have
a reference of my cousin who came out late being from a small town in Oklahoma.

Who is gay but conservative.

[stevietheman]

29. I think he's in his early 20s... so he's out fairly early...

and he approached me first in the chat room, yeah me, this old man at 41. :)

[IndyOp]

22. Obama is FIRST to mention his gay & lesbian brothers & sisters in acceptance speech -

According to David Bender - Air American personality who has been in politics since Bobby Kennedy's campaign, who is himself gay, and a true friend of Gore Vidal. David said he was very moved.

"I know there are differences on same-sex marriage, but surely we can agree that our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters deserve to visit the person they love in the hospital and to live lives free of discrimination."

The Human Rights Campaign is strongly pro-Obama -> http://www.hrc.org/

If your friend is Democratic leaning but had his heart broken because Hillary didn't win then give him the facts to replace his vague feelings of discomfort with Barack and Michelle.

If he is Republican or Independent then try doing so anyway. I would think and hope that log cabin Republicans would be willing to give Obama a shot during this election.

[yardwork]

23. It's possible that this is a plant. You never met him in person, right?

It's entirely possible that this is a Republican plant paid to spread this crap on message boards, etc.

[stevietheman]

26. I know he's actually gay... but no, I haven't met him in person. n/t

n/t

[yardwork]

32. Anyway, it's good that you found out early. This type of person would lie about anything.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

[ClarkUSA]

24. Tell him that Palin's Pastor think HE'S evil and would be happy to "Pray Away The Gay" to "save" him

:eyes:

[stevietheman]

31. next time I come across him, I think I may just do that... thanks for the idea! n/t

n/t

[knixphan]

28. plus - kentucky. Didn't we see some

...weird pov's during the primary? Folks clearly voting against self-interest?

so weird.

[yardwork]

33. There are idiots all over the country voting against their self-interest - including in CA.

Let's not bash the beautiful state of Kentucky.

[knixphan]

43. My bad - you are correct!

[zulchzulu]

34. I did some research and found out who "thatshott2008" is...

:sarcasm:

[stevietheman]

36. I wouldn't have even talked to _that_ in the first place. :)

This guy I was talking to was actually pretty good looking.

[zulchzulu]

37. Educate him on the Anti-Christ and perhaps tell him that Obama is pretty cool...

...compared to McWackjob and the Palindroid.

[ramapo]

40. People are bizarre and irrational

There's no explanation. Hope he doesn't vote against Obama.

[apnu]

41. Must be a Log Cabin Republican.

Got the strange idea that Republicans care about homosexuals.

[Liberalboy]

44. His loss

Your handsome AND intelligent :-)