Joe Biden apparently hit a nerve today....

[scheming daemons]

"McCain Camp Says Biden Sunk to a New Low"

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/09/mccain-camp-says-biden-sunk-to-a-new-low/



Go get 'em, Joe!

[IndyOp]

1. Your link doesn't go where you think it goes, I think... (n/t)

[rosesaylavee]

7. Here - try this

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/09/mccain-camp-says-biden-sunk-to-a-new-low/

:hi:

[IndyOp]

33. Thank you! (n/t)

[nc4bo]

53. Take another bite Joe, please! They're yippin'. Must have hit that tender spot. nt

[jobycom]

15. It worked for me. nt

[ClarkUSA]

2. When the McCainiacs wince, Biden is doing something right... it's a great talking point for us, too.

I'm going to add that to my list. Thanks for posting.

[RelativelyJones]

3. Swing that hammer, Joe!

[VeraAgnes]

4. Joe Biden is absolutely correct.

snip>

(CNN) — John McCain's campaign hit back hard at Joe Biden Tuesday after the Democratic VP candidate appeared to suggest Republicans who do not support stem cell research — like GOP VP candidate Sarah Palin — are lacking in their support of children with disabilities.

[groovedaddy]

5. Good! Hit some more of 'em!!! n.t

[AndyA]

6. Go, Johnny, GO!

Don't take any shit from them, either. You are 100% right. What parent in their right mind would deny their child the benefit of modern science?

[AtomicKitten]

8. Oh dear. A preemptive whine from the GOP.

Go get 'em, Joe.

[DemzRock]

9. No, it does. I think the OP is saying they were forced to respond because...

it was a strong point against McPhalin.

[Jennicut]

10. Ha...glad to see McGrumpster is upset. Keep attacking them Joe.

[BeyondGeography]

11. Awwwwwwwwww, the anti-science party doesn't like getting called out

:cry:

[livetohike]

12. Playing politics? God, they are desperate

Stem cell research is a campaign issue and Joe Biden told the truth. What a shame exposing hypocrisy is called out as "a new low".

How much do you want to bet that Palin doesn't get a chance to go out on the campaign trail alone? One good question will destroy her.

[walldude]

13. Both links are dead.. did they pull the story? n/t

[livetohike]

18. I'm not having any problems getting there n/t

[blondeatlast]

21. I got there. nt

[justiceischeap]

25. Try this

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/09/mccain-camp-says-biden-sunk-to-a-new-low/

If that doesn't work...
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

[jobycom]

26. You using Explorer or Firefox?

For some reason since yesterday I've had trouble with Firefox on CNN. No problem with Explorer. May not be related, just thought I'd mention it. The link worked fine for me.

[IndyOp]

30. I am using Firefox and I had trouble with the link at first - but on second try it was fine. (n/t)

[FogerRox]

41. I tried all 4 links, nada, with Firefox

[jobycom]

46. Do you have another browser, just to check?

I just tried them all with Firefox and they worked, but last night I couldn't get Firefox to work with CNN, and had to use Explorer. Both are the current releases, and I've never had the problem before.

Odd. :shrug:

[FogerRox]

54. I recently updated Firefoxtoo, never had this issue before though.

I sort of dont want to fire up Explorer, an emotional reaction -- I know,,,,, LOL>

[Union Thug]

14. That's it - force them into the defensive position...good! n/t

[glancingthefuture]

60. but its the obama/biden camp who is now defending Joe's talk.

[Union Thug]

61. Yeah, I wouldn't play it that way. Float it and let them squirm...

nothing further needs to be said.

[rosesaylavee]

16. Very good jab. Way to go Biden. You are absolutely correct. n/t

[MadrasT]

17. With the bullshit they're pulling with Ms. Mooseburger on 9/11,

they have the fucking AUDACITY to to say :loveya: Joe :loveya: has "sunk to a new low"?!!?!!!111!11!

Oh, that is truly priceless. :rofl:

Edit: to add indignant string of exclamation points, questions marks, and random numeral 1's.

[azmouse]

19. If he's getting flack, he must be near the target.

Good job, Joe!

[blondeatlast]

20. When they bitch about it; you know it's working--and the entire McCain campaign has been a bitch

and moanfest starting from the comparisons to Bush to the jealousy of the attention paid to Obama to the whine about media bias.


McSame's got nothing but the same ol' same ol'.

[srhuddle]

22. Heh, he's got them squirming. Good job Joe.

Hmm, it does look like they pulled the story. I guess I caught it right before they took it down. It's regarding Biden's stem cell jab from a town hall in Columbia, MO a few hours ago.

[justiceischeap]

23. I think someone is crying over there in GOP land

They took that comment personally because it probably hit a bit too close to home. My mom was vehemently against Stem Cell research until she developed Parkinson's. Guess who's all in favor of it now? That's right, my mom.

[ErinBerin84]

24. blah blah blah

they used this excuse when Obama called out McCain's lack of support for the GI bill...the McCain camp said "how DARE you criticize his policy, he's a POW! POW POW POW." I remember Biden on Morning Joe saying "That was wrong, it would be like me saying that 'my wife and child died in a truck accident, so only I have the right answer when it comes to a Trucking bill." The McCain camp is desperate.

[EnviroBat]

27. Awww the back-room dealing, tax stealing fundie scumbags

can't handle the truth, and being called out on their continuous stream of bullshit.
Fuck them.

[scheming daemons]

28. Isn't this what we want from our VP? Isn't this an INITIATION of an attack (instead of a response)?

Just posting that for all the chicken littles that say we aren't getting tough.

[C_U_L8R]

29. That's not low.. it's TRUE !!!

No need to "suggest" Republicans like Palin who don't
support stem cell research are lacking in their support
of children with disabilities. The truth is the DO NOT support
kids with disabilities because of their paleolithic beliefs.

[yellowcanine]

Heh. As "Give em Hell" Harry said, "I just tell the truth and the Republicans think it is Hell."

HST must be turning in his grave listening to McCain and Palin.

[AuntPatsy]

31. Haven't heard it yet but if that camp is crying foul it must be dead on truth being spoken...

Way to go Joe...

[jillan]

32. As a mom with a special needs child, all I can say is

THANK YOU JOE!!!!!

[tekisui]

34. Hit 'em again ,Joe!!!

[jobycom]

35. Oooo, Joe is smooth!

“I hear all this talk about how the Republicans are going to work in dealing with parents who have both the joy…and the difficulty of raising a child who has a developmental disability, who were born with a birth defect,” he said. “Well, guess what folks? If you care about it, why don't you support stem cell research?”

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Doesn't mention anyone, doesn't accuse anyone, just asks a rhetorical question. And how about the way he phrased that? "the joy and the difficulty..."? He said that without seeming corny--that's goosebump good.

Go JObama! (Okay, that has the wrong order, but I can't make ObamaJoe work... :( )

[jillan]

38. That's how Joe does it. He hits them with facts.

[haele]

50. I didn't even hear him say "embryonic" in there -

Just plain old "Stem Cell research" - does the McSame camp have problems with donated adult stem cells or treating one's own, or are they jumping to conclusions as usual?

Haele

[hughee99]

63. As far as I know...

McShame's objections are all about embryonic stem cells (he objects on the grounds that it will piss off his "base"). I'm not aware that he has any issues with adult stem cell research.

[LittleClarkie]

36. Not just stem cell research

she cut special education by 63% in her first budget as governor, didn't she? One of my Republican friends said "Well, she didn't have a special needs kid yet". So? She only gives a shit when it affects her directly? I mentioned Michael Fox as an example of that, and my friend said that he was a liberal. Not as far as I knew, he wasn't.

[meow2u3]

37. That's par for the course

The repukes are bullies who can dish it out when they're hiding behing the flag, but they can't take it when the target (the Democrats) go on the (counter)attack.

The repunks talk tough from a safe distance, but they whine and cry to Daddy when the Dems go hand-to-hand with them. Cowards!

[lisa58]

39. Joe is right

[SeaLyons]

40. Go Joe!!!!

[southern_dem]

42. The GOP

is a bunch of whiners. The truth hurts and works, go Joe!

[amber_86]

43. I love this man

Why because he really cares for Women and Children. And Palin that's a different story. She acts like she the only one that have a disable child. Well guess what Palin I have a birth defect, you a a disgrace to me. All children don't have down Sydrome. I have Goldenhar Sydrome.

[Newshues]

44. Not sure this a discussion Biden wants

Seriously.

McCain-Palin support stem cell research. What they do not support is embryonic stem cell research.

Here's why this isn't a debate Biden wants to have.

Number of approved medical treatments from embryonic stem cells: 0
Number of approved medical treatments from all other types of stem cells: over 75


If we're going to go with a science based policy, ignoring embryonic stem cells is the way to go.
If we're going to go towards more responsible spending of tax dollars, ignoring embryonic stem cells is the way to go.

The fundamental problem with embryonic stem cells is that they haven't "fixed" themselves as to what they want to be - including being stem cells. Research keeps showing promise in what could be done with them but attempts to turn initial research into treatments falls apart because the embryonic stem cells are unstable.

This is not a debate that Biden can win on the science. He can score points on the common understanding of the stem cell debate, but on the science he cannot win.

[haele]

52. That's the debate Biden gave them - did he say "embryonic" or just

stem cell research?

McSame's camp flip-flopped on their position or intentionally mis-understood what he was saying just to appease the fundy base, many of whom have declared all stem cell research anathema because they don't like or understand the science behind any sort of research.

Let's look at this logically -

1. The recent choice of Palin as VP was to primarily to shore up one of the major remaining supports of the party of Reagan, which is the fundamentalist and/or the hard-core commercial - charismatic "Xtian church" base. I don't know the exact figures, but I suspect that this is a good third or more of the remaining Republican support. Despite what the media claims (disaffected Hillary voters or rabid feminists, riiiight...), Palin's core principals are lockstep to those of the so-called conservative "Xtian" right. McSame's core principals are much more pragmatic - these are in lockstep with the "I got mine" Neo-Con/Neo-Liberal corporatist crowd who loves to schmooze and show off their power. Unfortunately, they aren't as in great numbers as they used to be, especially with de-regulation in the process of de-railing the economic train. Denial can only keep you hooked up onto that train so long...

2. Most of the members of the commercialized Xtian base had been seriously dissatisfied with the economic feudalist base and their constant promises of enacting radical social conservative policies, and had, prior to Palin's appointment, promised to stay home unless they got a sample of the red meat they craved.

4. These members and their commercial churches usually takes the position that "what Ghod gives you is what you are to bear for the rest of your life" - unless, of course, "He has blessed" you with enough prosperity to afford the heathen comforts of modern science. Doesn't matter how impractical it is due to the technological advances of this day and age, Stem Cell research, whether or not it has anything to do with embryonic tissue, is still basically on the level of abortion and witchcraft to them. It's "man trying to become god".

5. Even if the more science-minded or pragmatic of the Republican bases disagree, to be able to have a chance to come close enough in votes so that the machinery of the electoral college can be tweaked with, the radical social conservatives have to be placated so that they will come out and vote. So -

Stem Cell research, no matter where the cells come from, has to be as demonized as abortion and homosexuality is. Because unless Ghod blesses you with enough power and money to be "special" enough that you will be forgiven any supposed sin, you can't have any choice to improve your lot.

I'd say, go ahead and have that debate on Stem Cell research. And make them use the term "embryonic", be anti-science, and trip themselves up in front of the less radical, more informed moderate electorate.

If they want to cling to the wing-nuts, pull off those "low information voters" who are turned off by wing-nuttery, and either encourage them to vote for Obama or stay at home.

Set it up so that the Republicans are either going to lose the support of their wing-nuts or their moderates.


Haele

[scheming daemons]

58. You're sounding scared..... Like I said.. Biden hit a nerve....

[pleah]

45. You go Joe! If they are squealing like the pigs they are,

then you have hit the right nerve.

[NatBurner]

47. ouch

excellent

[Major Hogwash]

48. McCain set up his camp in the sewer!!

If it took him 6 months to pick a moose burger eating whack job for his veep, just imagine who he would pick to be his Secretary of State - Cheney!!

[jefferson_dem]

49. Take that bizzitches!

Bwhahahah... Go Joe!

[RNdaSilva]

51. I had no problem getting to the link...

was slow connecting but probably getting a lot of traffic.

What I did find surprising, on a CNN blog, a quick scan of posts appeared to be strongly in favor of Obama/Biden.

[intheflow]

55. Hey! That's picking on Palin's infant!

Out of bounds, Joe! Stay in your place and don't cross the line between Palin's private life and the public sphere! :grr:




...What? He didn't mention Palin by name but dared advocate for all disabled children? ... Ok, never mind then. ;)


Go, Joe, go!!

[1corona4u]

56. Awe, boo fucking hoo McAss...

get use to it fucker.

[symbolman]

57. Look OUT!

He's got an ISSUE, and he's not afraid to USE IT!! RUN Sarah RUN!!

[applegrove]

59. Is this the stem cell thing again? McCain's GOP handlers are bullying again

cause someone is saying something they don't like. Something obviously true. Poor babies.

[Top Cat]

62. Kick Ass