Chris Matthews: New WaPo/ABC Poll has Obama leading McCain 47%-46%

[ClarkUSA]

Sorry, concern trolls! Matthews is happy as a kid with an ice-cream cone.. And he'll be showing Meghan McCain's
idiotic comment on the Today Show later. What happened to McCain's convention bump?? Guess all those Lies To
Nowhere took their toll.

Heh. :toast:

[scheming daemons]

1. Exactly where we were before the conventions.... now let's use our money advantage!

[ClarkUSA]

42. Team Obama is trying.

Let's keep giving what we can - money and otherwise - to save this country's future for our kids and our Constitution.

[hulklogan]

2. Bye bye bounce.

Hello reality.

[ClarkUSA]

85. CORRECTION: I mistakenly typed WaPo/ABC when it should have been NBC/WSJ

:blush:

[tblue]

3. Hurricane Sarah has been downgraded to a tropical depression.

[mvd]

12. LOL

Soon to be just a regular low pressure system.

[Shakespeare]

14. Winds of reform greatly overestimated, but still expect torrents of bullshit. n/t

[Virginia Dare]

70. Barracuda downgraded to a guppy...n/t

[gateley]

4. I'm really tired of people calling some of us 'concern trolls'.

We're all after the same goal, and in this together. Can't you show a little more -- unity?

:grr:

[scheming daemons]

6. We'll show more "unity".... when they show more CONFIDENCE in our candidate and his team

They need to quit thinking that they are just like Kerry's team... they're not.


They defeated Hillary and the powerful Clinton machine... they KNOW what they are doing.



They need to quit acting like an abused child and trust them.

[gateley]

18. It's not so cut and dried.

I for one am hopeful and optimistic, but DO get concerned by some of the polls because they do tell us what some of the electorate is feeling.

But it seems to be required to be either/or -- as you demonstrated by your post. You're essentially saying, if you want unity, do it OUR way.

:eyes:

[scheming daemons]

27. No... I'm saying if you want unity, trust the damn campaign. They've been phenomenally good....

[tblue]

31. Yeah. They have run a brilliant campaign. Maybe they do know more than some of us.

[gateley]

35. Concern isn't an indication of distrusting the campaign --

This campaign will go down in the books as a phenom, I have no doubt. And they're brilliant beyond description, but jeez - we're gun shy after 2000 and 2004.

I trust the campaign, I am optimistic that we'll prevail, but that doesn't stop me from having a concern occasionally.

And again, you're essentially saying the way to be united is to not ask any questions or express concerns. I disagree.

[ClarkUSA]

10. I wasn't referring to you, gateley - but there are many who are posting here who are.

And they know who they are.

[gateley]

25. Yeah - i know who you're referring to.

Although I'd give them a promotion from "concern trolls" to "DOOMSDAY PROPHETS".

Really, I think the term 'concern tolls' elicits a knee-jerk response -- like it just did with me. :7 :hi:

[ClarkUSA]

59. Good, because you're a good 'un here.

I'd prefer to refer to them as "fucking assholes" myself but "concern trolls" is the generic web term. BTW, there's no way
you're a troll no matter how worried you get.

You must be so proud of Biden's performance on the trail. I know I am. :party:

[Benhurst]

Don't hold your breath.

If the election stays this close, or if the polls are manipulated and it is projected as being this close, there is a good chance we are headed for an "upset," our third stolen presidential election in a row.

[gateley]

30. BUT -- there's also a good chance that THEY may be headed for an upset.

I really think it's going to be close, but there's no way we can assume to know how it'll turn out.

[calimary]

5. what did Meghan mcsame say?

I've been busy all morning - missed it.

[ClarkUSA]

15. She said, "The only family who understands war is mine. Period."

Arrogant as hell like her father.

[tblue]

33. She said what?!

[ClarkUSA]

36. Yes, she went there. She's a pompous jackass like her dad.

I'm sure all those military families will appreciate her remark. Matthews promised to show the clip (hasn't yet).

[Virginia Dare]

72. I wonder if it's okay with Obama if we trash her?

she's out there being a "surrogate" for her father after all. What a dip she is.

[rufus dog]

16. along the lines of

Only my family knows about military sacrifice, period.

She added the period and came across as an elitist bitch.

[ObamaKerryDem]

26. Didn't she vote for Kerry last time?

Must've gotten her allowance yanked for the following four years and as a result, has become a Republican hack like the rest of her family... :eyes: But how fucking dare she say that? There are THOUSANDS, if not MILLIONS, of other families on both sides of the issue that have been affected by war, this one in particular. And they have the nerve to call the OBAMAS "elitist"? She oughta go back to blogging about fashion...

[City Lights]

22. Here's a link...video included...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6999736

[quantass]

92. .

[samuraiguppy]

7. keep it kicked

that convention bounce for mclame is so over

[Mz Pip]

8. I don't know what to believe anymore

I really don't.

It's like standing up in a roller coaster.

[tpi10d]

9. mcmoose is on the way back down n/t

[BeyondGeography]

11. Tweety is our friend

What a long, strange trip it's been.

[scheming daemons]

13. Tweety IS our friend.... because he's going to be running against Specter for PA Senate seat in 2010

He's beginning to work for our team now.

[BeyondGeography]

19. I'll work for him

I actually like the guy; good-hearted intensity is what I see most of the time.

[ClarkUSA]

28. Me too.

Any man who gets back up defiant from being demoted for being too biased towards Obama is my kind of Democratic senator.

[Cosmocat]

79. I will work AGAINST HIM ...

in the primary at, at least ...

His one main gift is a highly attuned finger in the wind - he might be finding his inner liberal over the last month or so, but he spend the other 7 years doing the right wing's bidding of bashing and marginalizing democrats. He WAS part of the problem when it was what was best for him, NOW he is letting his inner liberalness out when he is building his creds for a run against Spector?

Remember that little clip when he got caught on a live mic during commercial break with Tom Delay, when he was breathlessly sucking that pompous scumbags rear end, with some poling numbers that he said something like "bad news for Hillary"?

NOPE, he does not get a pass from me in the primary, I will work for whoever is opposing him.

Now, when he breaks the primary, which he is almost assured of, then I am not going to stand in his way if he can take Spector down.

[ClarkUSA]

20. I dunno if it's that cold-blooded a reason - I think he genuinely likes Obama/Biden.

Whatever the reason, me like. :D

[alsame]

29. I think Tweety gets scared when he sees theocracy on the

horizon. His ridiculous comments about Bush and other Repubs notwithstanding, I think the fundies in the GOP scare him big time.

[BeyondGeography]

37. I think he sees Obama as a sort of last, best hope for the presidency

in his lifetime, at least. He grew up idolizing Kennedy; Barack brings him back to a good place in his mind.

[Jersey Devil]

40. yep, a Catholic boy, Holy Cross

Fundies like Palin say he is going to Hell.

[ClarkUSA]

63. Fundies don't like Catholicism at all

They really really don't.

[Virginia Dare]

71. He's probably very pissed about the McCain camp getting him demoted..

I suspect he's in scorched earth mode about now.

[quantass]

17. Thanks for this. Cheers back at you.

[ClarkUSA]

34. Thanks for the support from up north, quantass.

Cheers!

[BeyondGeography]

21. To the greatest with ya

[ClarkUSA]

39. Thanks, Brother BG.

:toast:

[quantass]

50. .

[gratefultobelib]

23. Guilty. I am a concern troll. I don't show it in posts, though. Not that I'm

any finer person than anyone else.

[ClarkUSA]

32. That's not trolling. Trolls are doing psych-ops to deliberately sow doubt, fear, and panic.

Not to mention many of them are members of PUMA forums and/or collect points for prizes for trolling Dem blogs from the McCain campaign.

[gratefultobelib]

81. Of course. I just saw "concern" and thought, "That's me!" I guess I'm a

concern SCROLL, as I scroll down through the threads. Are we going to be able to get through this???

[Hope And Change]

24. BAD NEWS FOR MCCAIN!

[Waiting For Everyman]

38. K&R Thanks!

The more truth we get out, the more the numbers will climb.

[Ichingcarpenter]

41. Does this include the 20% growth of WHITE WOMEN to McLame?

Should I be worried what a columnist from newsmax and a Faux news contributer says?

Do you all have a wooden desk I can hide under because of warnings of nuclear attack from Generalissimo
Palin? Have the sirens ended?

Actually this is pretty damn good news, it means his convention bounce was a dead moose.

[ClarkUSA]

43. Meghan McCain clip coming up now...

He didn't show the clip I thought he'd show... he showed another one from the same Today Show interview where
Meghan, sounding like a Valley Girl, revealed her dad used to date a stripper. Nice family values.

[Drunken Irishman]

45. What did Meghan say?

[City Lights]

47. ‘No one knows what war is like other than my family. Period.'

Snotty little rich brat.

[ClarkUSA]

48. The clip was her saying her dad used to date stripper but the clip blogs are buzzing about is here..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7002960&mesg_id=7003093

[Drunken Irishman]

44. BUT I THOUGHT OBAMA WAS GOING TO LOOOOOSOSEEE!!!!ONE!!!!

[City Lights]

46. Ugh, he ignored her comment about only her family understanding war and

went with her comment about daddy-o dating a stripper. :eyes:

Fuck you, chris. Thanks for nothing!

[ClarkUSA]

49. Perhaps he's letting Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow take the honors...

Matthews is just highlighting a clip that shows McCain's lack of "family values" which may turn off some indies watching.

Take it easy, Matthews got demoted for showing too much "bias" towards Obama/Biden.

[Ichingcarpenter]

51. The are going over Hotel Palin

Actually they are exposing her vetting, creditability and corruption problems

[ClarkUSA]

53. Isn't it grand?

I know you're loving this as much as I am.

From Matthews' guest: "This may be a chink in the armor of Joan of Arc." <snark>

[Ichingcarpenter]

54. I wouldn't have turned him on until PCintern mentioned the quickie

He is really going over her faults

[ClarkUSA]

60. The McCain campaign is going to regret going after him before this is all over.

I'll bet Matthews, KO and Rachel are going to be brutal on the Lies To Nowhere tonight and every night until Nov. 4. :D

[City Lights]

55. Airing a clip of something mccain said earlier should not be classified as bias.

I'm glad they're hitting Mooselini on a variety of issues though. :bounce:

And I hope the stuff megan said about military families makes the rounds later.

[Ichingcarpenter]

58. " We want to know who we are electing'

as he closed the segment on troopergate and went to commercial

[ClarkUSA]

52. David Schuster: "The tension between what [Palin] says and what she did will not end."

Schuster is strongly debunking Palin's repeated "Bridge to Nowhere" lies, talking about Troopergate, and quoting the WaPo story that
revealed her billing taxpayers over 300 times for staying in her home. He is saying these events strongly undermine the McCain
argument that she is a "reformer."

Now Matthews is picking up the ball on Palin's charging per diem rates for staying at home. Heh.

[ErinBerin84]

57. yup, I was glad that Shuster emphasized that Palin KEPT the money.

[ClarkUSA]

64. MSNBC and CNN have been mentioning that for the last couple of days.

Good for them.

[City Lights]

65. How dumb are mccain/palin? You'd think once they were called out for the

lie they'd stop using it. Guess it's all they've got and have decided to take their changes. I hope they're hit over the head with the lie each and every time they utter it!

[ClarkUSA]

68. They are following the Rovian Rule: "Repeat a lie long enough and it becomes the truth."

Only it's not working out as well as it did in 2000 and 2004, is it? That's where their "the MSM is against us" strategy comes in,
because it shores up their low-information base who believes every word. Too bad for them it won't be enough this year, because
indies are not so stupid and Dems have 10% higher voter ID than Repugs this time around.

[dennis4868]

77. I don't think they are dumb....

they feel that people do not believe the MSM because they feel the MSM is out to get Palin because she is female....Palin takes advantage of this and continues with the lies.

[Coexist]

56. this WP reporter is hitting on all cylinders re: troopergate right now.

[ClarkUSA]

62. He was riveting. I hope we get a YouTube clip of the exchange so we can send it around.

He described Palin's lies and corrupt ways better than anyone I've ever heard.

[Upton]

61. That's more like it!

[ClarkUSA]

66. Matthews said at 7 p.m. ET, he'll release the full results from the poll.

Then David Gregory came on, "Three national polls show Obama's lead gone... can he get back on track?"

Asshole. Does he read his own station's poll results? It happens to be the LATEST one, too. I am so ready
to boycott MSNBC's debate/election coverage.

I'm watching CNN now. Obama is on.

[City Lights]

67. I hit the "off" button the moment I heard Gregory's voice.

Can't stand him. Won't watch him.

[ClarkUSA]

69. Me too - he repulses me with his perpetual Debbie Downer anti-Obama "headlines"

I like CNN now. They have really changed since McCain cancelled on Larry King.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

73. Why are you dissing MC Rove's backup dancer? n/t

[ClarkUSA]

74. That's the moment the scales fell from my eyes about him...

He was so full of himself after that and lost his "edge".

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

75. I wonder if his fake "tough guy journalist" persona was an act to move up in the business. n/t

[ClarkUSA]

82. Ya know -- that's a canny thought.

You're probably right. He's an ass-kisser, for sure.

[malik flavors]

76. This poll came out yesterday. It's the NBC/WSJ poll that we're waiting for.

[Ichingcarpenter]

78. No, you are wrong

He had the facts you didn't.

It just got released and it confirmed what he said

[malik flavors]

86. That was for the NBC/WSJ poll. This thread is about the ABC/Wash Post poll.

They just happened to have the same outcome.

[alcibiades_mystery]

80. Are you sad?

:shrug:

[malik flavors]

87. I'm sad that you don't know what poll you're celebrating.

[ClarkUSA]

88. He may be sad, but he's right...

:blush:

[ClarkUSA]

83. Ya know, you may be right... they are good numbers for morale, nonethless.

Thanks for the correction.

[Ichingcarpenter]

84. Nope he is not.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7004053


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122099348086116259.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news

[malik flavors]

89. No You're Wrong..,

ABC/Wash Po:Obama 47, McCain 46

http://abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1070a1AftertheConventions.pdf

They didn't even announce the NBC/WSJ numbers until 6:30

[ClarkUSA]

93. self-delete

[ClarkUSA]

90. Yeah, I was typing too fast and got the name of the poll wrong

:blush:

[malik flavors]

91. that wasn't directed at you. It's cool, I just wanted to set the record straight.