I Think It's Over. I Really Do.

[Solomon]

Everybody can breathe a sigh of relief.

I wish somebody can put that picture on the thread, the one where Barack says chill out, I got this, because I don't know how to put pictures on here.

Palin is clearly out of her league, so much so, that it shows. Further interviews will not get any better for her, only worse. Gibson got irritated because he was lobbing softballs at her and she wasn't getting it.

Not only is she out of her league, but she's irritating, what with the "Charlie" and winks trying to pass bullshit. You just know everytime you hear the "Charlie" or see the wink, she's really doling out the bullshit. It's unclass. Unclass all the way.

McCain's been hiding behind her skirts letting her take the lead but now that's all changed. He's gotta get his old crusty ass back out front. He will stumble from the pressure.

Now can we let Obama run his campaign please the way he wants? It's been brilliant so far and I think we are about to see it really come on now that 9/11/08 commemoration is about to be over.

Oh, and before I forget, I didn't mean to imply we don't have to work. We have to finish t off by working our asses off, making the calls, the visits, everything it takes. I'm just talking about relief from the excessive worrying and handwringing. It would probably be more helpful if people would say "if I were running the campaign I would do ..." instead of saying things like "Obama is losing because he's not doing..."

But I see there are already threads detailing what Obama should do with this new development. I guess it will never end. Even when he's president.

[PaDem]

1. has the interview aired in it's entirety?

either on TV or on the net? I thought it was to air tomorrow at 10 PM?

[democrat2thecore]

9. No - just snippets. Full Interview is on 20/20 tomorrow night -nt

[livedemocarticordie]

27. i live in dc

and its on right now. And i have to say partisanship aside I am cringing, just cringing. She does not have a clue. She is using energy as her experiencein foreigh policy and Charlie stopped her embarrassing answer and said well foreign policy is alot more than energy.....or some such thing. She is very much in trouble.

[WeDidIt]

40. On top of that, she was flatout wrong about energy, too n/t

[Virginia Dare]

64. But, but, but, McSame said she knows more about energy..

than anybody else in the country...:eyes:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

2. The woman obviously is uneducated. They're going to have to use a double for interviews nt

[thunder rising]

7. 'scuse me ... Bachelors in Journalism (University of Idaho)

Oh well .. ok.

[Solomon]

25. Actually I guess she's more educated than most

because she went to 5 colleges. :dunce:

[Blondiegrrl]

29. I have a bachelor's degree in journalism and 14 years' experience

and I don't even qualify to be my newspaper's editor in chief -- let alone the nation's commander in chief (because we all know McGrumpy won't make it 4 years).

[mnhtnbb]

36. Her journalism experience was in sportscasting for an Alaskan TV station.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

30. She's uneducated.

It's one thing to learn from a textbook how to read a teleprompter and how to ask an injured person how they got hit by a truck, and quite another to employ logic, know and understand history and be able to connect those with the present, understand the functions government and entities that work with that government, and clearly this woman is clueless. Last I heard, the GOP was keeping her away from reporters lest she f*** up like she did last time. (She had no clue what fannie and freddie were and how they worked).

[yellowcanine]

46. I am beginning to wonder if she actually has a bachelor's degree. Has that been verified?

I mean generally people who go to 5 different schools in 6 years do not end up with a degree.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

77. Her education should be checked out.

I have the 'dumb as a rock' Cathy McMorris Rodgers as my congressman. She lied for years that she was raised on an local orchard. I uncovered she was in fact raised in northern Canada till she was a jr in HS. After HS graduation she went to a Taliban like Christan college in Pensacola FL. I called the Spokesman Review and sent them links. I got a very nasty death threat out of the deal. We are so lucky McMorris wasn't picked as the VP.

They LIE. Check her education and everything else.

[crazy_vanilla]

83. yes

She sounds backward and uneducated to me.

Not to sound elitist or anything :smoke:

[bulloney]

90. I can take an insult as well as anyone, but I have a bachelor's degree in Journalism.

I'd like to think my education gave me the skills to look at both sides of an issue, think critically and communicate effectively. Those skills have enabled me to become a writer and a department director with human resources responsibilities.

Having said that, in observing Palin through the eyes of a journalist, I see someone who is in way over her head. She looked uncomfortable in her interview with Charlie Gibson Thursday. To date, she's been unable to do much more than parrot her witty little jokes and catch phrases that the delegates lapped up during the Republican convention. She and McCain apparently don't keep track of what they've said or done from one day to the next.

[AlinPA]

26. She will impress a lot of 'muricans who like it dumbed down. We are living in a

country that holds contempt for educated or intelligent people. Bush** is the model of what many 'muricans like in a candidate.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

31. Oh no doubt. Particularly the bible-bangers.

I'm convinced that Bible bangers would still vote for GOP candidates even if they watched them molesting children. Bible-banging Repubs are not about religion, faith, God or any of that. By and large I believe they tend to be sociopaths and their political party and church function much like the Brownshirts did in the early years of Hitler. They even threaten one another to keep on believing the bs they are taught to believe. Pathetic yet highly dangerous misfits.

[Solomon]

39. You mean the bitter frustrated people clinging to their guns,

bible and country? er, add babies now too. Wedge issues?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

44. Those! nt

[Virginia Dare]

66. We cannot allow the delusional psychos in this country..

to decide this vote for us again. There is too much at stake. This really worries me.

[Virginia Dare]

65. You can be uneducated and still be an intellectual..

she's neither.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

89. You're absolutely correct. She's a total ignoramus. nt

[Thrill]

3. The media won't cover it that way. They'll cover for her.

[Solomon]

8. You know what's crazy? That phrase

"putting lipstick on a pig" is exactly what they do with everything. If they try to sell this interview, then they will surely be putting lipstick on a pig, and I mean that metaphorically.

[Wapsie B]

68. Oh trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit

like the gop's been doing for years.

[LooseWilly]

19. I don't think so.

I think the media is SERIOUSLY annoyed, pissed off even, about how Palin was turned into such a story... but they weren't allowed their 'due' access at the 'trough' of that story.
Hmm... pigs seem to be pervading all metaphors suddenly.

I think, not being allowed early access... not to mention the extreme amount of work that would be required of them to cover for her... too much. Hell, Charlie Gibson is the one who went after Obama in the debate about flag pins... and here he was rolling his eyes at the answers from Palin.

It was sooo-- "I think, U.S. Americans have a hard time finding Canada on a map, because they don't have enough maps..."

[AlinPA]

49. The media is covering her every move. They flew a bunch of people to Alaska yesterday to

cover every aspect of her arrival. They are going berserk, and are in a frenzy over her. They don't look too pissed off to me. After these "interviews" with ABC the media will declare that it went magnificently, even if she is given an ABC teleprompter and has rehearsed with Gibson.

[tabatha]

4. Timing is everything.

Sarah or not, he has to peak November 4.
I think they know what they are doing.

[d_b]

5. here ya go

[stanwyck]

15. Ha! Love it. You just made us laugh

Thanks!

[Solomon]

16. Yeah, that's the one! I love that picture! That picture was

created at just the right time. We really needed that because I get sick of reading the threads here whining about what he should be doing.

I think he knows what he is doing and I think that he is even the reason that the other democrats are not all out there hollering like everyone here wants them to do. He carefully releases his points. He was doing that in the primaries, timing the endorsements, and he's doing it now.

I think he had to can Wes Clark not because he didn't like what he said, because it was indeed correct, but that Clark spoke when Clark wanted to and not the campaign. I think the only reason he distance a bit was for discipline purposes, so that everyone could see how it worked and to take it seriously. Thus we had no leaks and disorganization.

We he becomes president, he is then free to seek the services of Wes Clark in any manner that they agree on, but we have to win the campaign first and it appears that discipline is the order of the day.

:thumbsup:

[Berry Cool]

22. I love that picture.

I can't wait for it to be really and fully true.

[speedoo]

6. She was winking? You're shitting me, right?

I guess I'll actually have to watch.

[JuniperLea]

14. Yes, do watch! It won't hurt, I promise!

She winked... hilarious... nervously winked. Watch her posture, her eyes, her legs... shaky leg, tense, muscular calves... she was a mess. I loved it!

The more she and McCain talk, the better Obama looks!

[DeschutesRiver]

53. Somebody needs to tell her to quit trying to crawl into a fetal position

I was surprised from the couple of side shots I saw how she kept hunching over, further and further.

It just looked weak and crawly to me.

[JuniperLea]

63. And her fist! Did you see her fist?

Hunched over, with her fist in her lap. And her legs were so tense!

Someone also needs to tell her she cannot baffle the American people with bullshit... did she answer one question directly? I was as frustrated and "Charlie" clearly was.

[Virginia Dare]

67. She was scared shitless..

seriously she was holding her sphincter so tight, it was painful to watch. What happened to the pitbull? She looked like a little lost puppy.

[JuniperLea]

71. LOL!!!

Yeah, what a tight ass:)

Too funny, Virginia! I'm literally LOLing!

[bulloney]

91. Yeah, what happened to our 'pit bull' hockey mom?

[DeschutesRiver]

78. No, I didn't catch that - I am trapped by dialup and Dish network only

so I was only able to see the brief snippets. Part of the price of living remotely! But after the brief bit I did see, I realized how important it would be to see the whole damn thing, to check out this frightened body language.

It is as important to me to watch as hearing her actual words. I did catch her twirling, whirling foot, though - how impressive would her lack of foreign affairs/national security knowledge, along with her bad body language be during her first head to head with Putin, should we be unfortunate enough to have McCain die within the first six months in office?

It was scary to watch, with that realization in the back of my head. Yeah I am sure that Putin or Kim Jong or you name the leader would be really impressed with our Sarah at the head of our nuke and negotiation team. A Margaret Thatcher or Queen Elizabeth or Merkel of Germany could completely make her cower and pee on herself.

In our global world, Gibson is such a puppy.

[JuniperLea]

79. She really isn't in the same arena...

With a Margaret T. or Queen E. or Merkel, is she... not even close. Palin as VP would be every bit as embarrassing to the USA as GWBush has been for the past 8 years.

Someone, quick! Ask her to spell potato! She is not even as bright as Quayle, imho. Sad.

As an aside: I've always dreamed of living out and away... remote. There must be a lot of good that comes from this sort of living arrangement... but I guess you win a few and lose a few on that front.

[DeschutesRiver]

81. The good so far has outweighed the bad by a magnitude I would have never guessed at:)

The good: no neighbors for miles. Complete quiet and solitude - the kind of thing you'd pay dearly to enjoy on a vacation, every day. A 340 degree view that catches my breath at all times of day (up on a 5k mountaintop - we call in wildfires every year to dispatch, because we often see them first). Getting up just past dawn, to avoid cougar rush hour, every morning to hike with my dog for a few miles before our day really starts. Finding arrowheads almost daily reminding me of who came before me here. Riding my horses without seeing another horse or human over thousands of acres. Never ever again having to "put up" with people who are unpleasant, unless I choose to - the internet makes it possible out here to have the best and take a pass on the rest. Sunsets that take my breath away still; a night sky so sharp and vivid that every evening I look up and feel I am seeing it from inside the universe. Watching redhawks play and divebomb for their breakfast, while I am having mine on the porch. Seeing bald eagles soar, and for real, watching the antelope play. Once we were got stopped on our long rural highway at night, with 200 elk on one side of the road, and about 50 on the other. We stopped the truck, sat on the top of the cab, and listened to them call back and forth to each other as they crossed the road. Yeah, I know they could have killed the truck, but it was just one of those amazing moments, to be almost in middle of that kind of action.

The bad: No restaurants or grocery stores for miles (so I learned to preserve food, to cook and even bake things as good or better than what I used to pay for:) No medical facilities for miles (bought a Life Flight membership, and cleared a place for them to land; plus learned first aid!) Fixing fenceline and feeding cattle in deep snow (that is what tractors are for, anyway, and I always have a white christmas now, instead of rain). No police/fire assistance (had a couple acre lightening fire that we put out ourselves - learned that we could be the fire department. My dad was a fireman, so I know you can't save everything. Learned when to hold 'em, and when to fold 'em. Plus I am handy now with a Pulaski!) And of course dialup (only because I am resisting getting hughesnet - I am cheap!). But the whole experience of learning how to do things ourselves here was an awakening.

I don't know how old or young you are, but one thing that got me here was my realization that no matter how far away or impossible my dreams seemed to me, somewhere in the world someone else was already living the life I considered a dream and unattainable. Every single day. Knowing my journey, they probably struggled and gave up some other benefits in life to do it, just like me, but damned if they weren't already living my dreams. So why not me? Why not you?

I may not do this forever (old age is a bitch), but I will never regret the experience.

P.S. I have done a lot of the same things that Palin has done in AK (in fact, dh is an AK bar member, so we've been there a bunch too). As well, I have a law degree, which higher ed Sarah lacks, and apparently have used my passport more by many frequent flyer miles in my old life. But none of what I've done makes me qualfied for being a vp, and it doesn't make her qualified either.

[JuniperLea]

82. Sounds like heaven!

I have chills head to toe! I remember reading the Foxfire books when I was a teenager (I'm now 51) and I figured the world would go to hell in a hand-basket, so I'd better know how to make soap, candles, card/spin/weave wool... I learned to can fruits and vegetables from my grandmother, I can sew and crochet. I'm an excellent shot, and I can fish, and I have a very green thumb. I figured the hardest part would be building a cabin from scratch:)

You are very lucky to have had this experience! I'm in awe!

[DeschutesRiver]

87. I read them too! And I am 50!

with the same thoughts of self sufficiency and too many school days of learning "duck and cover" in case the Russkies nuked us, too funny! I can do all those things too, except the wool (and am very new to canning, but hey, I can fly a plane)! Have a bazillion old copies of Mother Earth magazine here. Had an uncle and aunt in Canada who lived on a small island, on the remote end where no other people were, with no power, milked the cows, cut their firewood, etc back when it was not fashionable, which planted a seed in my young mind that never left.

And, during our version of the world's longest house building project (6 years, still in the making, but doing much ourselves), for fun and kicks, we took all the building material scraps we'd saved over the years from other projects, and built "Scrapwood", a small solar cabin way further out on our place. About 20 x 12, with a porch. I assure you doing just that or a series of small buildings, connected by an outdoor covered walkway would make it both charming and just several repetitions of small easy to build boxes, if a one room place wasn't enough. I need to admit that the superior building skills belong to my dh, he is a natural at most of those things (but not a detail dude). But I could have done the small cabin - if you can follow a recipe and can food, you can do a cabin. At our age, it just takes a bit more time. But isn't learning new things grand (on good days, ha ha)?

You are so close with your skill sets that you should almost be able to taste it. One last encouragement - out here in remote land, many of my neighbors are in their 70s-90s and still doing this, even some with some pretty serious disabilties and illnesses (some of them are inspiring). I hope someday a plan to escape, even for just a brief moment, comes your way (temporary remote, remote rental, so you could skip the building, caretaker, you name it). You sound like you would enjoy many aspects of this kind of experience.

Will cross my fingers for ya that it happens for you, in some way, shape or form :) Am glad you did an aside - I don't meet many people who do stuff like this.

[JuniperLea]

88. We are sisters in life experience!

Duck and cover... ugh. Yep.

You are an inspiration! Thanks for the good wishes!

I'm off for my full weekend in real life... I try to stay away from the computer all weekend. I have a crochet project to finish too:)

See you around! Happy to have made your acquaintance!

:hi:

[DeschutesRiver]

93. I should heed your sisterly wisdom in staying away from the computer

but I haven't any willpower in that area yet:)

Kindred spirits are fun to met - good luck with your crochet project, and take care!

[jojoh2071]

94. FLIRTING

I thought she was winking to flirt with him !!

[Mme. Defarge]

10. Thanks! I needed that. n/t

[crazy_vanilla]

84. no, no, no, thyanks byut nyo thyanks

:rofl:

[MrModerate]

11. Oh, I suspect we'll continue trying to teach Obama how to suck eggs . . .

for the next 4-8 years. "It's what we do."

(And for those who haven't heard it before, the saying is "trying to teach your grandmother how to suck eggs," and it means telling someone who knows exactly what they're doing how to do it better. It does *not* mean that Sarah Palin has the intelligence of an egg or that John McCain sucks.)

[crazy_vanilla]

85. and yet

He needs to pay them back with the same coin they've been chucking at him

[nc4bo]

12. But...bu.butt the polls say.......xxxxx nt

[DCBob]

13. Totally agree. She is a rank amateur and it became painfully obvious in the Gibson interview.

The Sarah balloon is about to burst.

[holiday]

21. she did do bad and Charlie did look bored with her lol

It's calmed me down alot! She didn't even make sense.. and she is doing that pointing thing alot and her voice/accent grates on you.

[dancingme]

34. I'm amazed that Gibson seemed pissed

I thought he would be kneeling at her feet. He looked at her the way a professor looks at a college student after the professor leads the student to the correct answer and the student is too intellectually lazy to make the step.

[Anexio]

17. Good idea....NOT!

Your idea that "it's all over", is crap.

In the next 50 or so days before election day anything can happen...anything.

I would like to suggest that you start getting your neighborhood registered and make sure the dems get to the polls.

Stop sitting on your lazy ass and get working for whats right, namely getting Obama elected to POTUS.

It's not over, it's just starting.

P.S. I read your next to last paragraph and you didn't convince me. Get up off your couch and ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING. Stop talking about it.

[Solomon]

28. Got to 17. I'm honored.

LOL

[Forkboy]

48. Got to love it.

:)

[Anexio]

58. You got me...

You got me, Solomon.

You're a wise one, for sure!

Lets get people voting!!!

[Solomon]

72. Righto!

:thumbsup:

[csziggy]

43. It is not over until the electoral votes are counted and certified by the House

Until Nov. 4, I am working my butt off. I did not watch the Palin interview for three reasons:
1) I have seen and heard more than I ever want from that woman
2) Nothing any Republican could say would make me ever vote for one
3) I was calling 150 Obama supporters to set up an organizational meeting for my area to do voter registration and canvassing.

Today I registered a 61 year old man who has never been registered to vote. Saturday I an trying to set up voter registration for a rural community. Sunday I may be waiting outside a rural church to register people as they leave. The next weekend we are having an organizational meeting to get more people involved and set dates for more events.

After Nov. 4, it I think the election has been stolen for a third time, I will totter out on my bad knees and riot in the street with the rest of the people who want our country back.

[Solomon]

54. Great work! LOL I feel like saying "you're a great american".

No seriously, that's what we need to do.

[tkmorris]

60. Stop sitting on your lazy ass?

LOL awesome.

[WA98296]

18. I'm on the west coast...TELL ME you're kidding, she wasn't actually winking at him?

Not really, was she?

[Born_A_Truman]

56. Yep

An Alaska poster on Mudflats said to watch for her flirty eye action that she does and I saw it in a clip tonight.

[Blondiegrrl]

20. Best. Quote. Ever.

"I answered him 'yes' because I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can't blink, you have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we're on, reform of this country and victory in the war, you can't blink. So I didn't blink then even when asked to run as his running mate."

[holiday]

24. ha ha hilarious

[woo me with science]

33. This is just scary. nt

[DCBob]

35. Very appropriate!

Some people don't have maps, like in Russia, such as, so we might have to go to war with them and South Africa, such as....

[Canuckistanian]

41. LOL

The only part missing was the phrase "U.S.Americans"

:rofl:

[Bosso 63]

62. I saw that and thought, "Girl, you do NOT want to talk about

your WIRING, cause you not wired right!"

[Solitarymoth]

23. Palin is clueless

In regards to foreign policy, domestic policy, her family, everything.

[The empressof all]

32. Go read the posts on the ABC website

There are lots of very deluded people out there who aren't ready to give up on the Republicans. They're out there. They are gonna vote and we can't get complacent for even one second that truth and intellegence will beat out fear and lies.

Sorry...We gotta fight like hell because if we think we have this won---We'll lose.

[crazy_vanilla]

86. unfortunately

we need to live in the same country with them

They should all go up to Alaska and make bible-land out there

[spanone]

37. bu$h* was completely out of his league and he won TWICE

[Virginia Dare]

70. He faked it better though, at least in the early days..

running as a woman, she just can't afford to appear that incompetent, that's a sad fact.

[codjh9]

38. MAN I hope you're right. But the reason I'm going to worry until it's all over is

that there are millions of fellow Americans out there whose minds are NOT OPEN, and they're not listening, and it's ... beyond belief.

[Cha]

42. I'm glad she came off so true to form

but I would never think "it's over" for the monster who keeps sprouting a new head..

It will be back so we have to be ready.

[Solomon]

45. Wow

Three in a row. Do I win anything? LOL

[unblock]

47. her body language is very defensive

she knows she is out of her depth and took the simple questions to be attacks.

which means that she views any potential exposure of her complete ignorance to be a threat.

not an opportunity to advance her cause, but an opportunity to blow it.



she's got some instance national celebrity, and she knows it can only go downhill from here....

[Midlodemocrat]

50. Task from God.

That alone will sink her.

[vanderBeth]

51. I certainly hope so, but don't stop giving all you can to Obama.

[codjh9]

52. Amen - see my 'all hands on deck' post.

[Solomon]

57. Right.

:thumbsup:

[Phx_Dem]

55. I knew it was over, before it even began. But we have to

go through the hills and valleys in a campaign. In the end victory will be ours. I have no doubts. None.

[farmboxer]

59. She says that war with Russia might be necessary!

She is extremely dangerous!

[Pithlet]

61. That answer was bad news for the McCain campaign.

A lot of people aren't going to want to vote for someone so brazen about going to war with a country with nukes. I agree with the OP. We can't just assume it's won. We have to keep fighting for the win because you never know what can happen. But, that was a big, big gift for us.

[Ishoutandscream2]

69. Huh??? Damn!!!!

One fucking heartbeat from the presidency. Good God!

[redqueen]

73. Yup... and more and more people are noticing.

Drip, drip, drip...

[jctw769]

76. we need to get on youtube and boost the interview video

so it lands high on the most viewed and commented list.

[a la izquierda]

74. From the little bit I saw of the interview...

she makes Shrub look/sound like a Rhodes scholar. That's really something.

[Solomon]

75. Well, I argued with somebody last night who said that the bad

interview wouldn't matter because people only see what they want to. I thought it was so bad that even the kool-aide drinkers would wake up.

Well, I was wrong, I woke up this morning, turned on C-Span and the callers were lauding Palin for the interview. I wanted to break something.

I turned on this board to see people bitching about Obama's new ads. Sigh. I hope everyone can kind of see a microcosm of what a lot of black people have to got through. Goalposts always moving, nobody takes it seriously when you say something and someone else is applauded for repeating what you said, second guessing everything you do, and on and on and on... Americans are mentally ill. We really are.

[Geek_Girl]

80. I agree the Palin crazy could be fizzling out. It's pretty clear she's just parroting

neo-con talking points when it comes to policy. But the Obama camp needs to take the gloves off and they have by giving the 527's the green light.

[L. Coyote]

92. Elections are often decided by voters registered in the last few weeks.

And getting them to the polls somehow. The work is always done only after the election, for sure.

[okieinpain]

95. I agree, I've been watching the news for a couple of hours and

I've noticed that they haven't mentioned the polls. so that tells me that things are starting to settle down. it's kinda like one of those football games where the losing team scores on a hail mary, with 3:00 minutes to go. but they still need 12 points to take the lead.

I'm not saying it's over, but it's looking like it's obama's to lose. all we have to do is not fall down.



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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/