Did you know what the "Bush Doctrine" was or is?

[Blue_Roses]

I have to admit, even though I've heard it mentioned, I didn't know the "specifics" other than we have the so-called right to attack a country that is intent on harming us. Is that mostly the gist of it? But I'm not running for VP, nor am I repub neo-con.

However, while she should have known it, it wasn't that gaffe that was so unnerving about it. It was her way of trying to spin and lace it that creeped me out. Also, the body language screamed of inexperience and PTA president

[TwilightGardener]

1. Pre-emptive war.

[paparush]

40. Premeditated war.

Preemption implies a perceived threat.

Premeditated is just cold blooded killing.

[scheming daemons]

2. Simple: Pre-emptive Military Action

First time in our history that we went to war with a country that hadn't attacked us or declared war on us.

[EstimatedProphet]

39. First time? Are you sure on that?

[C_U_L8R]

3. I thought it was "shoot first, ask questions later"

which is pretty close : -))

[spanone]

4. yes. absolutely. knowing how wonderful our intelligence is,it's a wonderful doctrine

KILL FIRST


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[evlbstrd]

5. It's brutally simple.

War.

[goletian]

6. be retarded, rush in, head first. yep.

[gateley]

7. No, I didn't, but I'm not running for VP and claiming I understand foreign policy.

I wonder if McCain knew what it was?

[Honeycombe8]

8. Sort of. His view that we have a right to first strike against a country if we are in imminent...

danger, or something like that. But of course, the devil is in the details.

"Imminent" - who decides if the danger is imminent?

"Danger" - who decides if we are in danger.

"We have a right" - who decides that we have that right? Congress? Or "the decider" himself, alone?

[goletian]

9. not knowing is forgivable, she fucked up by trying to play it off. lol

[sandnsea]

23. It's our new National Security Strategy after 9/11

Not knowing is most certainly NOT forgivable.

[Quixote1818]

Making up lies so we can attack Nations that pose no threat to us but have a lot of oil. nt

[cynatnite]

10. kill 'em first, brag about it second n/t

[George_Bonanza]

11. "Pre-emptive Strike"

It's probably slightly more complex, but those are the two magic words.

[paparush]

42. Premeditated strike.

Preemptive implies a perceived threat.

Premeditated is just cold blooded killing.

[Plaid Adder]

12. Oh yes. I know what the Bush Doctrine is.

Cause I still remember back when there were still people willing to go on record that it was INSANE.

http://www.plaidder.com/oldnomore.htm#bushdoctrine

Unfortunately, that page is so old that most of the links are broken. Here's a working link to Senator Ted Kennedy's attack on the Bush Doctrine.

The Bush Doctrine was basically a declaration of pre-emptive war. In other words: we can and will strike any nation, anywhere, at any time, as long as we believe that said nation could pose a threat to us at some future date. It's a pretty simple idea, as most ideas that came out of Bush tend to be. And it got us into a lot of fucking trouble.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder

[rwheeler31]

13. I .unitary executive. can do what I want. Don't you make eat

those carrots.

[msongs]

14. it is "I will lie cheat steal and murder because nobody will stop me" lol nt

[Motown_Johnny]

15. Everyone who has been paying attention since before the Iraq war knows what it is

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

16. Preemptive war combined with the Fuhrer Principle

War forever against brown people who have oil that rightfully belongs to us. War now. War forever! Ein Volk! Ein Reich! Ein Chimpenfuhrer!!

[dbonds]

17. I don't think there is a document that says 'This is the Bush Doctrine'

But I always heard it used as pre-emptive war.

[sandnsea]

22. US National Security Strategy - 2002

http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss/2002/index.html

[dbonds]

25. Ah, I stand corrected, there is a document.

Thanks. Is that whole document considered the bush doctrine. I thought only the pre-emptive part was.

[sandnsea]

29. I just posted a separate thread

I am truly horrified she doesn't know what this is. We usually refer to the pre-emption part because that's the most shocking change, but Bush Doctrine really refers to the whole idea of spreading democracy by force and all the neocon nuttiness.

[msallied]

18. I knew what it was, yes. However...

I've been up to my tatas in conspiracy stuff regarding this administration since 9/11/01 and knowledge of the PNAC is critical in this respect.

But normal every day people might not know the "Bush Doctrine" by its name. That's fine. But if you plan on running or helping run this country, you had better freakin know.

[Blue_Roses]

24. exactly...

I think after awhile anything Bush says just runs together.

[casus belli]

19. Which is exactly why us "regular folks" don't usually run for president

Looks as though the GOP really knows how to capitalize on mediocrity. I consider myself a fairly smart individual. As such, I want someone much smarter than me to have the office of President. People who look at anything they see and say "I could do that" with no training or knowledge, have bigger problems than just stupidity.

[Blue_Roses]

26. so true...

:thumbsup:

[sandnsea]

20. Known since he introduced it

It's our new national security strategy that gives us permission to police the world and strike whenever we want to.

And I just watched the first 7 minutes of that interview and I am more horrified than I was when she was selected.

She truly is dumber than Bush.

[osaMABUSh]

21. In what respect, Charlie?

(I have no freaking idea what you are talking about so can you throw me a bone?)

[RoadRage]

27. Bush Doctrine = Cowboy Mentality...

Bush Doctrine: Go Alone, Shoot First, Ask Questions later after you've already buried the body, then say you don't know where the body is. Bush Doctrine.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

28. absolutely and I'm from a very very smalltown...one that makes the Wasilla AK look like NYC

[Yavin4]

30. It;s The Ideological Bedrock of the Bush Foreign Policy

I've known it since 2002. Anyone who pays any attention to the news, foreign policy, or takes a remote interest in world affairs should have definitely known it.

BTW, McCain subscribes to the Bush Doctrine.

[krkaufman]

31. Pre-emption, absent any imminent threat.

The disregard for imminence is the key... which she failed to comprehend even after Charlie spoon-fed her the definition of the Bush Doctrine.

[MilesColtrane]

32. We don't like somebody...we fuck them up.

Regardless of any type of facts or logic, and especially if they're sitting on top of a shitload of oil...

[Fozzledick]

33. It's "The Hitler Doctrine" with lipstick

Just boy george taking credit for plagiarism again.

[TNMOM]

34. yes, I knew it.

Anyone with half a brain who paid attention the last eight F'ing years knows what it is.

[Hamlette]

35. yes, absolutely

it is simple and you got it but at the time there was a TON of talk about it. I was completely freaked out.

PPl posted quotes from Lincoln and other great presidents who said preemptive war is insane and can never be considered American because WHAT IF WE ARE WRONG.

And of course, that's exactly what happened.

It's not preemption in the face of a imminent threat, its preemption because sometime in the future they might become a threat.


Remember that. Because remember Bush has said, a zillion times, "I never said Saddam was an imminent threat".

[npincus]

36. yes.

[krabigirl]

37. Yes, but I just thought it meant pre-emptive war.

[benjita]

38. no - but I'm not running to govern the most powerfull nations on earth

What's the Bush Doctrine? His world view.

Are you friggin kidding me Palin?!

[lady raven]

41. I did,

And I'm a state university educated mom/ den mother/ PTA President from the middle of nowhere.

Wait! That means I'm qualified...

[mwb970]

43. Of course. Where have you been?

It was discussed here and elsewhere for weeks when bush came out with it and is still referred to regularly.

Not knowing about this is the least of Palin's worries, and the least of our worries about her. As far as I know, this is the closest that any fascist has ever gotten to the levers of government power in America's history. Will we watch them take over?

[nc4bo]

44. No, I didn't. The problem I'm having is that Palin did not admit she didn't either

yet she continued to make shit up.

Part of being a good leader is being able to admit when you don't know something and ASK questions to educate yourself on what you don't know.

Palin: FAIL.

[secondwind]

47. Palin's hubris is as thick as moosehide, and she is dumber than a moose............

I wonder if the Republicans are starting to second-guess their choice for VP.

[bunnies]

45. Yes, I did. nt

[City Lights]

46. Yes.

Maybe not the nitty gritty details, but enough to have answered Chuck's question.

[underpants]

48. Yes it is actually the "1 percent doctrine" as Suskind's book was title

[demwing]

49. Wikipedia Article on Bush Doctrine:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Doctrine

"The Bush Doctrine is a term used to describe the philosophy of pre-emption of United States president George W. Bush. Specifically, the Bush Doctrine focuses on the controversial policy of preventive war, which holds that the United States government should depose foreign regimes that represent a threat to the security of the United States, even if such threats are not immediate and no attack is imminent. The Bush Doctrine was used to justify the invasion of Iraq in March 2003."

[Skwmom]

50. Are you running to be a VERY close heart-beat away?

[Bad Thoughts]

51. Yes, but Gibson was being simplistic

Not only should it include preemptive war in order to eliminate perceived threats (regimes that don't like or frustrate the US and, I guess, have a few rifles), but using war to reshape the diplomatic and security environment ("spreading democracy"). Not that Palin dealt with these issues. She didn't even get what preemptive meant; she described preventive war.

[EffieBlack]

52. Yes, I do - and I'm not even running for an office that might directly involve it

[CJCRANE]

53. Yes. FYI the Bush Doctrine policy was drafted by Philip Zelikow nt.

[dccrossman]

54. As I've heard it, it's the 1% doctrine

This is based on my interpretation and memory, which are certainly suspect... =)

If there's a 1% chance that someone could/would attack you, that is sufficient to justify attacking them first.

Usually associated with the "mushroom cloud" fear-monger:
We don't want the attack we respond to to be a mushroom cloud, or some such nonsense.

It's a justification for pre-emptive, unilateral war.

Up to W, we were a nation that was generally not interested in attacking a sovereign nation, except as a counterattack. But when one defines the attackers as terrorists, and ties them all to the September 11th attack, you can see how twisted logic gets to this conclusion.

My brain hurts now. Shouldn't try to follow W/Cheney logic. =)

[mmonk]

55. Basically the same as the Wolfowitz doctrine but not as detailed.

[WinkyDink]

56. "War Crime" is how International Law defines it, I believe.

[xxqqqzme]

57. Instantly - the media called it that until

the corporate America realized how handsomely they were going to profit from it.

[JimboDem]

58. AP (radio) Headline News

last night, described the 'Bush Doctrine' as spreading "Democracy" to combat terrra.....my ears bled. M$M at it again.

:kick:

[blondeatlast]

59. Yes. nt

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

60. "Always do the stupidest thing."

[JoePhilly]

61. He should have asked her to compare the Bush Doctrine to the Powell Doctrine

And to indicate which is preferable.

That would have been really funny.

[ellie]

62. Yes

Can I be president now?

[GoesTo11]

63. I knew, but I'm not running for VP

I would have thought that any political leader who takes this country seriously would know. However, I am pretty sure the majority of Americans don't know. So if people want to vote for candidate with the most Average American level of knowledge, this helps Palin.

[Geek_Girl]

64. Apparently your over qualified for the Job

nt

[Thorandmjolnir]

65. I wish Gibson would have followed up

with the obvious question:

Is the Bush doctrine, the right to wage preemptive war, a purely American right or does other countries have the same right?

That is the whole fallacy of the doctrine. If any country has the right to attack another country because it thinks someone else is about to do something bad, there is no Rule of Law, no UN Charter, but just pure anarchy.

If it only applies to the US, is it simply because of the divine right of the US to attack other countries when we feel threatened, but other countries can't do the same?

What if Russia claims to have compelling evidence that Georgia was about to carry out terrorist attacks against Russia? Are they precluded from waging preemptive war?