Holy shit look at this ad against Palin (graphic)

[gabeana]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Defenders_of_Wildlife_vs_Palin_Brutal.html#comments

[Blue_Roses]

1. omg...that's horrible. I had to stop the video halfway

it's terrible.:cry:

[shadowknows69]

2. nice, fuckin no holds barred baby.

[codjh9]

3. Good, dammit! I'm a long-time mega-environmentalist, and that crap makes

my blood boil!!! I've LONG been against aerial 'hunting', which couldn't be much more cruel and barbaric, not to mention lazy, shitty and nonsensical. For those who don't know, the reason they do it is because they SAY that the wolves are killing 'too many' caribou, moose, etc. - after all, HUMANS have to have all the animals to kill themselves, right? - but the truth is that the wolves actually kill the old/sick and a few of the young, but generally don't diminish the herds at all. Typical lying shits.

[hisownpetard]

4. Excellent. K&R!

[seabeyond]

5. now that is a brutal ad. made me cry, in disgust..... n/t

[burythehatchet]

7. No, the practice described is brutal. The ad is showing the reality.

[seabeyond]

11. brutally honest. a good thing. and yes the practice is horrendous, disgusting, filth. n/t

[ColbertWatcher]

72. Exactly. The distinction must not be lost or confused. n/t

[burythehatchet]

6. That is GREAT. Have you put this in the video forum?

[Mabus]

8. Great ad

I have no doubt that it will be pulled but the good thing is it will get people talking.

[mrs_p]

9. this is pretty powerful

i'm glad it's so graphic and i hope it gets plenty of commercial time. as a future veterinarian and a trained wildlife biologist, i actually have no problem with managing populations, but aerial hunting indiscriminately kills and is inhumane.

[NewJeffCT]

10. wow, that is a tough ad - but

will it play well with moderates and centrist Republicans?

[ShortnFiery]

28. It will also play with "Hunters" who have morals ...

I've gone hunting pheasant with my dad and older brothers. Yes, I helped gut the birds in the field in order to preserve the meat. I'm here to tell you that pheasant is IMO the most delicious game bird. :-)

Although I love going with my brothers and enjoying the firing ranges, I have not, and do not want to kill even a game bird.

On point: I know the philosophy of those who "sport hunt" and the vast majority of these men and some women have a moral compass and hunt "for food" with respect for the prey (bird, rabbit, deer, moose, elk, etc.) NOT to suffer.

The CAP comment on Politico put it best:

"REAL HUNTERS ACTUALLY PROVIDE THE ANIMAL WITH IT'S FAIR CHANCE TO LIVE. A HUNTER USES HIS/HER SKILL IN TRACKING, KNOWING THE WINDS AND HOW TO, AS HUMANELY AS POSSIBLE, KILL THE ANIMAL. THIS METHOD IS SOMETHING A TRUE HUNTER WOULD DECRY."

[justiceischeap]

12. I worked for PETA too long

I looked at the video and thought, "They think that's gruesome?" I wish I could look at that and think it was gruesome too. :(

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[codjh9]

17. Either one is reprehensible. They're not 'out of control' whatsoever. PEOPLE are

out of control. See my earlier post on this thread.

[seabeyond]

23. every hunter i know holds a "code of honor" in kill. this goes against the very essence of

what they believe

you know

dishonorable

[tallahasseedem]

24. Aerial hunting...

is considered cruel and inhumane, even by your most avid hunter. It does not give the "prey" a fair chance to get away.

[sandnsea]

32. My husband is a hunter

and will hunt if in an area where wildlife are plentiful. Aerial hunting disgusts him. If animals are creating a problem to humans, you shouldn't have to get in a plane to find them and shoot them.

[lukasahero]

52. I won't watch the ad but can explain the controversy

It's twofold: 1) Aerial hunting is considered barbaric and inhumane by even many of the most avid hunters. The wolves are often chased by plane until they are exhausted and then shot or are shot but not killed and chased, injured, until they collapse and die from exhaustion.

2) The reasons Palin gives for allowing this controversial hunting style and offering a bounty shows a complete disregard for science and the wildlife/environmental scientists who dispute the necessity of "thinning" the herd. (i.e. - the wolves are not the problem and killing them is not a "necessary evil" but rather a self-serving one.)

[cascadiance]

66. They also do it to inflate the Caribou population

and other wild game so that they can hunt more of those animals too.

[President_Obama]

14. now that packs a punch!

Down with Sarah the Savage!

[ShortnFiery]

15. That reminds me, I am going to renew my membership early for 2009.

Defenders of Wildlife is a legitimate and humanitarian charity.

Please consider checking them out?

http://www.defenders.org/index.php

[codjh9]

19. The Alaska Wildlife Alliance is battling this on their own turf. Consider helping them!

[ShortnFiery]

35. I would hope that the two organizations are working together? I'll check this out. Thanks. eom

[codjh9]

56. I don't know for a fact, but probably (that they're working together).

[PearliePoo2]

16. I can't watch anything graphic about animal slaughter

it upsets me too much...and I know others who have to turn their heads also.
But I REALLY BELIEVE this information has to get out there and in fact I will send money to groups that do it.
Tell me this, if you would please:
Did you watch the ad?
Is it effective?
Do they lay it at Palin's feet (paws)?

[tallahasseedem]

18. It was a tough ad to watch...

which made it so powerful. Bravo to the people that took the time to make it!

[ericgtr]

20. Very disturbing but a must see Palin can go to hell

As someone once mentioned in an article those animals are much better parents that Palin.

[ellie]

21. Just donated

I encourage all of you to do the same.

[MSU_Spartans]

22. powerful, but...

I dunno. That's treading close to the line. Fact is, people don't want to be exposed to the reality of such situations, and will essentially turn those images off in their heads. Similar to the KFC videos from a few years ago. So gruesome that it was almost counter productive. It's an unfortunate flaw in the human psyche.

Hopefully the message gets across though.

[ellie]

25. Yes

all those women who think Palin is just like them can finally see that, in fact, she is a blood-thirsty monster. Sometimes the truth is shocking and horrible and maybe it will snap all of these imbeciles out of their fog. We wouldn't want them to be under any delusions as to what kind of person she is, would we? That would be downright deceptive.

[ericgtr]

27. True although it's something people need to see about Palin

and tie her to. It takes a monster of a human being to perform such acts and the public deserves to know just what a person who is a heartbeat away from the presidency is capable of.

[MSU_Spartans]

37. Agreed

It'll be a definite "gut check" for some, but a necessary one.

[GoesTo11]

59. Treading close to the line?

There is no line anymore. Show it. Show her for what she is.

[progressoid]

26. That ad will actually hurt us in a lot of states.

I hope it's only played in urban/purple areas. In a lot of states this will just be seen as tree huggin liberals out of touch with the realities of rural life.

[cbc5g]

30. shooting wolves from planes and selling their parts aren't a reality of rural life

It's a reality of twisted mother fuckers.

[ShortnFiery]

31. B.S. not any true thinking person who hunts would support this "shooting fish in a barrel" tactic.

See #28.

[progressoid]

42. Did I say anything about "thinking" persons?

[Dawgs]

33. Huh? How many people in rural areas have planes for hunting?

WTF!!

[progressoid]

38. I should have said "western" areas.

Places where the re-introduction of wolves is still a contentious issue.

[Zynx]

74. You mean the states that have less than 0.4% of the U.S. population each?

[Dawgs]

34. Huh? How many people in rural areas have planes for hunting?

WTF!!

[ellie]

46. No

it is not a reality of rural life. It was illegal until recently because it is barbaric and as one Fish and Game Department person put it "the reinstatement of aerial wolf hunting is a tremendous setback for the protection of all wolves in the United States."

Furthermore, "To track and spot a wolf from an aircraft, land and then kill it, is not considered to be a fair chase method," said Alaska Department of Fish and Game commissioner Frank Rue. "We know from past experience that the practice leads to other abuses such as chasing wolves to exhaustion, herding wolves and shooting them from the air."

Now, hunters consider themselves to be sportsmen. How sportsmanlike is it to chase something to exhaustion and then shoot it? I imagine any real hunter would be disgusted.

The thing that kills me about these people is that they think everything in Alaska is the property of Alaskans. It isn't. It belongs to every American. Like ANWR. A majority of Alaskans wants it opened up, but IT DOESN'T BELONG TO THEM. Just like the wildlife in this country. Alaska doesn't own the wolves and the bears. It is about goddamn time someone told these people.

The sad part is that Idaho and Wyoming are considering allowing the pracice. These blood-thirsty freaks must be stopped.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/NATURE/05/03/wolf.hunt.enn/index.html

http://www.defenders.org/programs_and_policy/wildlife_conservation/imperiled_species/wolves/wolf_recovery_efforts/alaska_wolves/

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/477616584

[progressoid]

53. You just confirmed my point.

"The thing that kills me about these people is that they think everything in Alaska is the property of Alaskans. It isn't. It belongs to every American. Like ANWR. A majority of Alaskans wants it opened up, but IT DOESN'T BELONG TO THEM. Just like the wildlife in this country. Alaska doesn't own the wolves and the bears. It is about goddamn time someone told these people."

This is exactly why the ad should not be played in certain western states. Residents there will cry about elitist city folk telling them how to live.

And while you say "it is not a reality of rural life" you also say "Idaho and Wyoming are considering allowing the pracice". Clearly, it is a reality.

I'm not defending the practice or saying the ad is bad. Just that it should NOT be shown in certain areas of the country.

[ellie]

60. No, you are wrong

It is not a reality of rural life. Real hunters are against such barbarity. These are elites who have access to helicopters being able to shoot animals from planes. How many people in Idaho and Wyoming have this access? Really? Well-funded organizations are pushing for this legislation.

[danimich1]

63. Link to Wyoming?

I haven't seen this, and I live in WYO. Please give me a link so that I can learn more about what is being planned. I know the wolves are back on temporary protection here due to a court battle, but I'm not sure how long that will last.

[faithfulcitizen]

49. I don't know... I'm a hoosier with a lot of hunter friends. And they love their dogs.

I posted this video earlier. I actually think it's effective for hunters and repubs.

[iamthebandfanman]

58. but, thats not 'hunting' what they are doing

its murdering for money.

[progressoid]

61. I didn't say it was hunting.

Yes, it's murder for money. That happens a lot in America.

[bunkerbuster1]

69. Who the hell gets to shoot animals out of AIRPLANES?

I have known a lot of hunters. I've never known of any who've expressed any interest in chasing down large dogs (which is, let's face it, what wolves are) and killing them from an airplane.

I will acknowledge that a version of this ad, narrated by a hunter who's appalled by such practices, would be more effective in redder areas.

[vanderBeth]

29. Having to watch that was aweful and it was brutal to her. Now we have to see if it airs.

[Dawgs]

36. OKAY OBAMA CAMPAIGN, that is how you make a fucking ad.

Hire these people now!!!

[Hepburn]

43. Exactly!

:applause:

It is long past time to take off the kid gloves...and this ad is a good start.

I thought I hated Palin before...now I FUCKING hate her. How could ANYONE thinking causing pain like this is a good thing.

Fuck her....and feed her peanuts.

:grr:

[nxylas]

51. Nah, leave it to the 527s

Isn't that the way the game is played? The official campaign has to take the high road while the 527s are allowed to take the gloves off.

[Dawgs]

54. It's the singular message and format that I like, not necessarily the attacking.

People will go to bed tonight thinking of that ad - and that is what you want.

[City Lights]

39. Glad she's being exposed as the barbarian she is. nt

[Dawgs]

40. The good news about this ad is that everyone will see it because of its graphic nature.

Anyone with a dog will be disgusted by this killing. This is how you make a campaign ad.

[1Hippiechick]

41. Links - join up! There are nonlethal and humane methods of wildlife control!

THIS is what Palin needs to be hammered on! Why choose such brutal ways to control wolves when other methods are available? Is she THAT bloodthirsty?!?!? Or, is that just part of the INDEPENDENT do-it-my-way thinking that she could bring to the WH? How did she choose aerial hunting method? I would like to know!

I have been maintaining that everyone needs to join these organizations - they work!

Wildlife Conservation Society - Saving Wildlife
http://www.wcs.org/globalconservation/northamerica

Defenders of Wildlife
http://www.defenders.org/index.php

Wildlife Protection - There ARE alternatives to controlling wil

http://www.wildlifeprotection.net/index.html
The Wildlife Protection Network is dedicated to educating the public about wildlife, and the environment. The W.P.N. endorses the use of nonlethal and humane methods for the control of wildlife populations when deemed ecologically necessary based on scientific evidence.

[Wolfies Revenge]

77. the truth on the wolf killer

Read this excellent article about her. It's from a non-profit group in Alaska that supports wolves.

http://www.wolfsongnews.org/news/Alaska_current_events_2901.html

It isn't about controlling population. It's about MONEY and OIL. Just like how she wanted to keep polar bears off the endangered list because it keeps hunters out of her state and in turn they lose tourism revenue with goes to funding their oil production.

http://www.defendersactionfund.org/newsroom/sarah_palin.html

I am sickened!

[RoadRage]

44. Helloooooooo 527's!

Well, that didn't take long.

The ad is brutal - but I think it gets the point across. Sadly though - we're going after a VP pick, and not McCain. That's where the focus should be here peeps.. McCAIN McCAIN McCAIN!

[Shine]

45. YES !!! This is exactly the type of hard-hitting ads we need. K & R

:applause:

[Dawgs]

47. Who is making the commercial showing McCain/Palin answer questions about foreign policy with ENERGY?

BTW, I love how that commerical is dark and scary.

[opihimoimoi]

48. DISGUSTING NAUSEATING

:puke:

[bunkerbuster1]

68. Good.

That's kinda the point.

[scheming daemons]

50. Since we've probably lost the vote of most avid NRA types, this ad is POWERFUL for getting

the other demographics we're after.


Suburban white women.


My wife, who is a registered Republican, but who votes pretty independently.... openly wept when I just showed her the ad.

[SteppingStone]

55. Slaughterhouse Sarah = killing for fun and profit .

She's Mother Nature's worst nightmare!

[cascadiance]

57. Earth Focus did a feature on this a while back on LINK TV. Footage looks to be from it...

I think the segment was around 12 minutes long. Should check it out! It really is tragic what they are doing up there.

Alaska's creatively working around the federal aerial hunting act.

Video Link here:
http://www.linktv.org/video/2126

http://www.defenders.org/programs_and_policy/wildlife_conservation/imperiled_species/wolves/wolf_recovery_efforts/alaska_wolves/index.php

http://www.defenders.org/resources/publications/programs_and_policy/wildlife_conservation/imperiled_species/wolf/alaska_wolf/silencing_alaskans.pdf

[TwilightGardener]

62. Hard to watch, but this is the kind of cruelty that evil-shit Palin likes, apparently.

There is no way to watch this and have the same warm "hockey mom" fuzzies for her that some women apparently had--only the most hard-ass gun nuts in rural areas would watch this and shrug--and we aren't getting those voters anyway. I hope enough people see this.

[JuniperLea]

64. I couldn't watch much of this...

She is one very sick puppy.

Where the fuck is PETA when you actually need them? WTF??

[Samantha]

65. That is exactly the side of Palin that needs to be revealed to this

Country. And if I might quibble with just a couple of posts on this thread, it really does not matter if this does not play well in certain geographical areas. There are some issues which rise above the taking of votes, and this is one of them.

I too am one of those people who cannot watch ads like this, containing cruelty to animals. I MADE MYSELF WATCH THROUGHOUT. I was appalled the first moment I learned she authorized this type of hunting in Alaska, and this ad totally reflects the absolute barbarism of that which she condones.

This ad needs to be given an overabundance of play in every area so Americans can learn just what type of person Sarah Palin is. There needs to be a collective outcry to protest this being allowed to happen in Alaska, and any place else where it is allowed. We should not shut up until this has been shut down.

I abhor Sarah Palin more every day.

Sam

[bunkerbuster1]

67. This and a few botched-backalley-abortion spots should do the trick

They fight dirty, we fight dirtier. About fucking time.

[SeaLyons]

70. OMG....I can't stand it....

That woman is dispicable. That really hurts to watch.

[McCamy Taylor]

71. I agree 100%. Palin is a sadistic, mean nutjob who will do that to PEOPLE if she gets a chance.

Her pastor says that Jesus is in "war mode" and that wars for oil are part of God's plan. Palin can not wait to go to war with Russia. She is W. in a skirt.

People need to realize that she is too dangerous to be president.

[jillan]

73. I truly believe that all life is precious and that there will be a special place

in Hell for people like her.

[demigoddess]

75. how can you call yourself pro-life if you don't mind the killing of everything

that walks except humans. There is a lot of wildlife that are important to our world. Boy what a cold and lonely place it would be without animals.

[Wolfies Revenge]

76. bump

bump

Sarah Palin is REPULSIVE!

[bevoette]

78. i have a good friend that this is going to work on...she's coming over tonight,

and i'm going to play it for her

older, EXTREMELY wealthy (husband owns major construction co. here in Austin)...sweet as can be, charitable, just a lovely lady...but a total low-information voter. may not even vote at all for all i know. just...'does' life.


anyway, she doesn't work (see above), but her 'vocation', volunteering, etc...is ALL animals. she is CRAZY about animals. you tell her stories about animals, she'll start crying right then and there.


have no doubt...this ad is POWERFUL