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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:23 PM
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Strategy for the debates: do not be afraid of offending fundies
I hope Obama takes a different path in the debates than he did in that forum a while back. Same with Biden. Do not be afraid to compare his abortion stance with Palin's extreme one. Point out the creationism position of Palin's. Fundies are already more energized; we need to get back more non-fundie women.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:25 PM
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1. THIS IS EXACTLY what the right does to the liberals. Take the extreme and paint the whole as such,..
...and the media latches on.

There's no reason why Obama can't hit them in the nose with their own fist.

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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:27 PM
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2. Obama offends the neocon/rw/Xtian Taliban by his very existence.
Why should he moderate what hes says?
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:31 PM
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3. Offend THAT no scruples crowd? Would a RW fundie explain how you incorporate this SMEAR into your
"Christian" belief system?
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:45 PM
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4. Yes, very little should be off the table
Also mention the book banning inquiry and make sure they don't get away with defining themselves as the family values people.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:49 PM
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5. Palin's extreme evangelical views, esp. her desire to teach this crap in school should be used.
Americans do not want Palin's weird religion taught to their kids in school. All of it paints a picture of a woman who wants to use her political power to force her religion down our throats. This is the key to taking down Palin.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:50 PM
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6. Also true
:hi:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:53 PM
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8. So true. nt
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:51 PM
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7. Agreed. Even middle America is disgusted by much of their agenda.
Go after the agenda without making it about religion and it's a clear winner.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:54 PM
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10. Exactly the right road to take
Don't attack religion in general but show how Palin's positions are out of touch.
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VWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:53 PM
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9. Especially now that Palin's the running mate
There's absoutely NO POINT in tiptoeing around the fundies. Their votes are unchangable.
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Newshues Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:57 PM
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11. I pray that Biden calls her out on abortion n/t
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:58 PM
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12. Sarah Palin, right and wrong by Hilary Rosen - CNN commentator & HuffPost editor-at-large
Edited on Fri Sep-12-08 01:59 PM by 1Hippiechick
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/03/rosen.palin/index.html
By Hilary Rosen
CNN Contributor

Editor's note: CNN contributor Hilary Rosen is the political director and Washington editor at large of HuffingtonPost.com, which describes itself as an Internet newspaper and focuses on politics from a liberal point of view. A longtime Democratic adviser, Rosen is a former CEO of the Recording Industry Association of America and supported Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. Click here for a rival view.


Hilary Rosen says she empathizes with Sarah Palin's personal choices but opposes her political views.

(CNN) -- Warning! This pundit isn't feeling the same way as many of my colleagues about Sarah Palin. She is being attacked for her lack of experience for the job and for whether she should be putting her family first instead of her career.

This just isn't that unusual in my book. And the more it goes on, the more uncomfortable I feel with that message.

Let's reflect. In her acceptance speech, we saw a woman who was compelling, charming and aggressively partisan. She succeeded in demonstrating that she is a regular mom who came to government to make a difference.

And she had that crowd in the convention hall eating out of her hands. Celebrity? It will be hard for the Republicans to attack Sen. Barack Obama for his celebrity now that they have one of their own.

A superstar of the radical right was made Wednesday night. And she may also have made some headway with those who buy her folksiness without knowing the extreme nature of her actual policy views. Read the transcript of Palin's speech

So where does this leave us as Democrats in making the case against Sarah Palin and her running mate for president? What is the choice now for the American people? There is a really strong case to be made against the McCain/Palin ticket and Democrats need to make it the right way, right away.

I am a woman who someone took a chance on several years ago when they gave me a job that had only previously been done by old white guys. Experience? How do you get any if no one takes a chance on you? And the decision to take a chance can be instinctive, as John McCain said.

Commentary: Meet Sarah Palin
And what about the argument that she is a negligent mother who will be distracted from her important role? I am a mother who constantly feels the pressure from others about whether I am fit to be a parent, whether I put my kids first often enough and whether my children get enough of my attention. Who has the right to judge my family?

My grandmother always said, "You can't tell time on someone else's clock." Judgments about people's personal lives are better left unsaid and unrealized.

So why then do I think that Sarah Palin would be a terrible vice president? Because I also think that John McCain would be a terrible president.

I don't care about how Sarah Palin or John McCain take care of their families. I care about how their policy choices affect my family and millions of other Americans.

McCain and Palin get their health insurance paid for by the government (hers in Alaska and his in Washington). Yet they oppose giving the nearly 46 million uninsured Americans the same access to affordable health care.

John McCain's kids don't have to worry about paying for college. Yet he has opposed every single education support program to help others.

McCain and Palin say they will stand up to oil companies. Yet the only energy policy they support gives millions of dollars in tax breaks to oil companies to do more drilling and he has opposed every piece of federal legislation to explore alternative fuel sources.

McCain and Palin say they will revamp how Washington does business. Yet his campaign is filled with lobbyists and she has cooperated with Sen. Ted Stevens in funneling federal money for useless projects in Alaska for years. And McCain and Palin have no solutions for Americans worrying about their jobs in a fragile economy. iReport.com: Is Palin the right choice for you?

McCain and Palin want us to leave their families alone. Yet they want to make rules for our families by eliminating our right to make our own choices over abortion, eliminate our access to family planning education or domestic partner benefits, and our freedom from discrimination.

They want to control what our kids learn in school about sex and about science. In short, through the policies they promote and the judges they support, they want the government to have more control over our private lives than at any time in history.

McCain and Palin now say their campaign is about change, too. Yet the only real change they have proposed is a change from a suit to a skirt in the vice president's office and one man fighting a misplaced war for another in the Oval Office.

That seems to me to be the right reason to oppose them in November. It's not the process or the people, it's what they represent. This unconventional choice of a vice presidential nominee by John McCain won't result in a win in November, because McCain and Palin are the wrong choice for the country.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of the writer.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 02:00 PM
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13. Joe's a Catholic
Many of the Catholics I know have no problem pissing of fundie nutjobs. Not a lot of love lost between mainstream Catholics and the snake handling crowd.

After all, we're all evil and going to hell as idolators, according to Palin and her minions.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 02:04 PM
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14. I call myself an independent Christian
Edited on Fri Sep-12-08 02:05 PM by mvd
No real denomination, but in name I am Catholic and went to Catholic school - so I know them well. Catholics might not like the abortion in no cases including rape position very much. They also will respond to religion promoting peace, not more aggression with Russia. McCain/Palin are nuts enough to get us into more than a Cold War.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 02:07 PM
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15. Biden will pull in a LOT of liberal Catholic votes and the Catholics I know
are far more than one-issue voters; they care deeply about war, violence, and the death penalty.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 02:11 PM
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16. I hope Biden does mention his Catholic roots
Faith can be used as a positive for us, too - not just for the fundies.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 02:11 PM
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17. Many American Catholics are independent as hell
A majority practice birth control, even though the Vatican rails against it.

But, then again, the Vatican knows that the bulk of it's money comes from N.A. Catholics, so they don't actually do anything about it, except vent.

Fundies wailing on the evil of Catholicism are just widening the rift.

Good. I hope they piss off the Pope.
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 02:13 PM
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18. I no longer call myself Christian b/c the RW fundies have ruined the "brand" - now a Christ Follower
and one who tries to follow His teachings. If the intent of the Saddleback Forum was to try to show which candidate knew and lived the Bible, Obama won--hands down. His multiple scriptural references would NOT have gone unnoticed by some in that crowd. I don't think he called it by name, but I remember the Matthew 25:34- reference and believe that Obama not only knows that scriptures but applies it to his daily living and is his philosophy for his platform.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 02:15 PM
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19. I keep the label because I'm tired of Repukes claiming labels
We should have fought back before they tarnished the "liberal" label so much.
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:34 PM
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20. Hmmmmm....good point! n/t
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