Please stop calling it aerial "hunting". It's slaughter.

[KittyWampus]

Hunting is generally understood to be for a socially acceptable reason.

Slaughter is senseless and immoral.

[Kaleko]

1. Cowardly slaughter - yes. Repugnant to anyone with a soul.

[ShortnFiery]

2. Yes, Aerial Slaughter is the "sport of cowards." eom

[mokawanis]

3. Cruel and stupid

anyone who participates in that activity is twisted.

[Tribetime]

4. torture of the innocent, helpless. What goes around comes around..I pray

[texastoast]

5. Defenders Action Fund needs money to run their ad

http://www.defendersactionfund.org/

It highlights Sara Palin's lust for the blood of wolves.

[Faygo Kid]

6. Yes, it's killing for killing's sake. And please reference the Defenders of Wildlife ad, everyone.

One of the best posts and ads ever at DU: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x187917

[cascadiance]

8. And their Earth Focus 12 minute video too on this...

http://www.linktv.org/video/2126

[Faygo Kid]

11. I'm just glad to be a member. I was going to let it lapse. Not now.

I get inundated with requests for money every day, because I have given to so many. I can't give to everybody, much as I wish I could. I already have 16 calendars for 2009.

But Defenders gets my renewal.

[truebrit71]

18. That is a brilliant short film....I highly recommend that everyone view it...

...the ad needs to be run in EVERY market possible...aerial hunting is NOT hunting it is slaughter and ANYONE that supports it had better pray that karma doesn't catch up with them in the end...

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

7. At the risk of asking a very gruesome question about this

but as someone who thinks it's important to know the full horror of this terrible practice, what is done with the carcasses of the wolves? I know the front paws apparently are worth $150. What do they do with the rest of the animal? Do they leave its flesh to rot in the sun, the way buffalo hunters used to leave the entire animal, except for the tongues and hides? Do they sell the dead wolves to dog food manufacturers? Do they take the hides and use them? I know that I've seen a photo of Palin and friends, posing in Viking helmets and wearing wolf skins (wondering if the wolves that the hides came from were aerial hunted or, as you say, slaughtered). What happens to the body of the dead animal?

[arikara]

12. Perhaps I can answer that...

I wrote something about a different wolf kill although it occurred 25 years ago and in Canada, I would imagine they would do something as disgusting in Alaska.

http://antahkarana2.wordpress.com/2007/07/08/wolves-guiding-outfits-rich-hunters-and-the-bc-government/

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

21. Thanks - so the bodies are just left to rot, it seems

I've always hoped that there were truly natural places left in the world, maybe in the far north, where modern man didn't try to control or corrupt things but just leave them be. I guess not.

[arikara]

24. I know, that story has bothered me for 25 years.

I was disgusted, appalled and heartbroken when it was going on then, perhaps even more now to hear that it still takes place. Sick bastards.

[WindRiverMan]

9. Just so you understand what this is about

this is not "hunting" for meat, nor even a trophy. These animals are not even killed for their hides. This is a huge movement to de-populate the wolves because the Alaskan Outfitters, aka hunting whores, believe that it is getting too difficult for their clients to kill moose and caribou.


Just an FYI, I have taken a moose every year up here with no problems. However, I stay out for two or three weeks during the fall hunting hard every day to get my winter meat. We usually split one mooser per two hunters, and have enough meat along with halibut salmon and maybe a deer or elk, for an entire year. I don't buy beef, and only occaisionally chicken.

This is not about guys like me or hunting and not finding game. This is about big outfitters who charge upwards of ten thousand dollars for a moose hunt wanting to be able to take four and five moose per season. It is so bad up here, that there are some rivers in the fall you cannot even peacefully float on. I have seen outfitters drop of over forty parties in an area to hunt moose and caribou. Hunting in Alaska is HUGE business. This is a business proposition, and NOT a wildlife control method. These wolves do NOT need to be killed. If the government would curtial some or most of the outfitting, there would be plenty for the animals, plenty for the natives, and plenty for the Alaskans like me that live off of the land. In fact, state law states that NO commerical hunting is allowed if there is not enough game for Alaskans. However, Republicans rule, and money talks.

It is gluttony, and once again, the industrialization of YOUR wildlife resources.

[CampDem]

13. Nice summary WindRiverMan

:kick:

[Gregorian]

10. How is this any worse than what we do to beef cattle?

I agree is sucks. I agree we must press this issue in the campaign.

But in a broader perspective I think it's far more humane than what we do with chicken, pork, beef, etc. They live absolutely miserable lives. Between chopping of beaks and hormones, and just all around miserable conditions.

So my post is really rhetorical. And kind of contrary. I apologize for that. But I think my point is, this has more to do with Palin than the wolves.

[cascadiance]

14. Beef we are killing for food....

You can disagree with eating meat, but it is something that many people depend on to live. The whole issue is about respect for other beings' lives (much like the Native Americans have done for centuries). You don't kill for entertainment, but respectfully for our food. Now we can also work hard to make sure that animals such as cattle, poultry, and pigs are aren't made to suffer in their lives waiting to become food too. That is something certainly we should do too.

The longer clip I posted above noted that wolves go after the weakest of the herds they choose to kill for food, not going after the strongest. Many would say that's out of respect as well for allowing other species to survive. You don't see them killing another animal and just "leaving" it to rot... They eat the food too. They have more honorable respect than these f'd up sadistic hunters.

[midnight]

15. I agree, and this is why being a vegitarian is more humane.

[Triana]

16. It's not a "hunt" - it's ruthless killing for profit. The animal has NO chance

to escape or flee.

[WindRiverMan]

17. Again , these wolves are NOT killed for profit

their pelts are not even salvaged for the fur in most cases. This is strictly DEPOPULATION so the guides and outfitters up here can take more moose and sell more hunts. That is it, they are seen as competetion to the businessmen, so they are killed.

[Gregorian]

19. OK, that does put this into a category by itself.

This ought to be brought to public view. It surpasses any animal cruelty discussion. It's about values. There's probably a good way of stating that it's corporate over environment. Saying it that way doesn't bother a lot of people. But it should.

Thanks for clarifying this.

[Triana]

20. 'seen as competition to the businessmen' = killed for profit of the businessmen. n/t

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

22. Maybe I misunderstand you, but it sounds like killing for profit to me

You describe businessmen who sell hunts. I assume you mean hunts of the animals that the wolves prey upon. To me, it's precisely for profit. The aerial wolf hunters are killing their competitors (the wolves) that eat into their profit. The more wolves killed, the greater the profit.

[ampad]

23. It is fucking disgusting

For the life of me I cannot understand how anyone can do such a thing and call themselves "defenders of life" Sarah Palin is fucking disgusting. I watched the ad with my children present and I wish I had not done so. They were asking me why the people were shooting the dogs like that. Once again, fucking disgusting.

[johnaries]

25. I keep remembering an Adrian Belew song, "Men in Helicopters"

"Men in helicopters fly
shooting Rhino's, from out of the sky!
Why do we always assume
The planet is our's to ruin?"

Oh, it's part of "God's Plan!"

Not MY God, you stupid brain-washed bitch!

[judasdisney]

26. Neocons are obsessive about language. Why aren't Democrats?

Why are Democrats such lazy and permissive cowards?