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Faun Otter Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:37 PM
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A McCain Temper Tantrum was at the root of the Keating Five Scandal
McCain’s Temper Caused the Keating Five Scandal

By Faun Otter

John McCain believes that his actions in the Keating scandal were probably the worst thing he has ever done and “will probably be on my tombstone.” (1) So why has the press hardly mentioned this outrageous behavior?

Maybe they don’t think anyone cares that McCain accepted bribes and knowingly broke the law as a result of one of his famous temper tantrums.

Here’s what you need to know about McCain’s Keating Five scandal. (2)

Charles Keating helped McCain’s father-in-law buy McCain his seat in congress in 1982. Keating and Cindy McCain were partners in a shopping mall venture which McCain only cashed out (at a million dollar profit) when Keating was jailed in the late 1990s. (3) Keating was obsessed with obliterating pornography while he was using his corporation’s money for wild drunken parties, at least one of which McCain attended.

McCain hid from Congress that he had taken 9 trips on Keating’s jet. These included three vacations at Keating’s mansion on Cat Cay in the Bahamas that McCain and his wife shared with Charlie Keating and his family. McCain got more money than any of the other four politicians at the heart of the Keating scandal. When asked if he was buying or influencing McCain with his gifts and money, Keating replied, “I want to say in the most forceful way I can, I certainly hope so!”

Charlie Keating was running a series of shell corporations to hide cash he moved illegally from Lincoln Savings and Loan. Lincoln became the largest S & L to collapse and cost US taxpayers thousands of millions of dollars for a bail out. When Federal bank regulators, led by Ed Gray, tried to limit Keating’s worst excesses, Keating sent a letter to McCain describing the bank board (FHLBB) as a police state under a mad dog’s leadership.

And then McCain had one of his melt downs.

This was the key moment in McCain’s Keating Five scandal and it occurred at March 19 1987.

Keating asked McCain to pressure bank auditors not to enforce the law against Lincoln S&L. McCain told Keating he was uncomfortable strong arming the nation’s financial regulators. Keating taunted him, “McCain’s a wimp.” At 1:30, in his senate office, McCain exploded into fury, “One thing I’m not is a coward.” McCain screamed at Keating that he hadn’t lived in a box for five years to have his courage questioned. McCain’s aides were very surprised by McCain’s tantrum and even Keating begged him to calm down.

McCain didn’t back off. He shouted that he knew it was not appropriate for him to negotiate on Keating’s behalf with regulators who were looking into the illegal activities at Lincoln Savings and Loan. Keating told McCain that he should not bother going to the meeting. McCain was still mad and replied, “No, I’m going to that meeting.”

Later that day, Keating boasted that he “knew how to get McCain’s attention.”

McCain met Ed Gray on April 2, 1987. Against all protocol, McCain didn’t allow Gray to bring any staff or attorneys to the meeting and also excluded his own aides. He later said this was because he wanted to be able to deny everything. McCain tried to force Gray to ignore a banking regulation that affected Keating’s Lincoln S&L. McCain kept referring to Keating as, “my friend.”

Seven days later, bank regulators were summoned to the Senate for an unusual late night meeting. McCain wanted the auditors to let Lincoln continue making real estate loans without carrying out credit checks, a clear violation of the law. This is also the practice that has led to the current US economic crisis. When asked by his aides about the meeting, McCain whistled through his teeth rather than answer their questions.

Here it is in a nut shell:
In 1987, McCain tried to force bank regulators to ignore the law for his friend and benefactor, Charlie Keating. McCain knew this was improper but plunged recklessly into the meetings after Keating taunted him for being a coward.

McCain almost destroyed his career by accepting bribes and letting mere words goad him into knowingly breaking the law.

If he was President, what else might McCain’s temper destroy?


(1) http://www.slate.com/id/1004633/
(2) Extracted from Trust Me: Charles Keating and the Missing Billions by Michael Binstein and Charles Bowden, Random House 1993 http://tinyurl.com/3r25xs
(3) http://tinyurl.com/42vpx3
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thincaboutit Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:39 PM
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1. McCain IS "Hote Headed!"
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:44 PM
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2. Good Lord! He was playing the POW card way back then too
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:07 AM
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42. He used it even before that
When he was first running for Congress he was accused of being a carpetbagger, and he said that he was raised by a man in the military, he was in the military so he moved around alot, and then he said "Come to think of it, the longest I lived anywhere in my life was in..." well you guessed it. :) He was a POW for 5 1/2 years! It excuses everything!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 10:21 PM
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3. Kinda DEFENSIVE about his "courage" huh?
Well I think he's a chickenshit loser who'll NEVER be the man his Daddy & Grandaddy were. .

And he's balding like he's got the mange too!
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anakie Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:11 AM
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43. Bingo
but he'll show dad and gramps, he will be President. That'll get 'em. (Sarcasm)


Peace
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 02:08 AM
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4. If he was President, who & what might McCain be blackmailed/extorted?
I'm sure those questions could be asked even now as a candidate.

Even further, how do we know if there aren't foreign entities that might extort McCain. He has a questionable history. How could we even begin to know what he's been up to all these years.

Speaking as an American first and a Democrat second, McCain's past scares me, including his time spent in captivity. I have no idea and no assurances the enemy didn't mess with his psyche. I'm not saying he's Manchurian, but I don't know what occured there, nor do I know to what extent, if any, Post Traumatic Stress has on his ability to function in day to day life. With his known hot temper, memory lapses and poor judgment - I sense disaster. I think he could be vulnerable to outside influences, where a hidden, unelected, and unaccountable 'master' could pull his strings.

Add Sarah Palin to this - who has many, many troubles and issues following her that she could also end up being a 'puppet' - a mean-spirited one. There are a lot of people (and money) working in over-drive to make her 'presentable' to the electorate. That has got to 'cost' her big time.

McCain/Palin pose a very frightening possibility to our country, all Americans, hell, the whole damn globe.

I just thoroughly depressed myself.



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MsLeopard Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 08:44 AM
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5. Morning K&R
Important information. It should be being discussed in the M$M. I barely remember when the Keating 5 was news, but it's certainly not talked about now.
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Faun Otter Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:25 PM
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6. Pre-Internet news is hard to search
McCain's Keating 5 scandal occurred before the 'net. The primary source is a book (Trust Me, Random House 1993) which is heavy on facts but lacks an index, I took the time to read it and take notes over a period of a few weeks. I backed up this source with net archived news reports but few of them seemed to have gone back to the original hearings and testimony on the whole affair as had the book. My suspicion is that the media are lazy and secondly they think the American public lack sufficient intelligence to take in the complex mess that was Keating/McCain.

The facts are actually simple and stark. McCain took a lot of bribes - unreported trips on Keating's jet, drunken parties at Keating's expense, at least three vacations at the Keating mansion in Cat Cay and so on. Keating was brazen enough to boast about his attempts to "buy" McCain during a press conference which has been widely reported with his specific quote on this point.

McCain knew that he should not try to bully bank auditors into allowing Keating's bank to break the law. He resisted doing this until Keating called him a name.

Keating called McCain a wimp. McCain flew into a rage and went to meet the bank regulators even though he KNEW it was illegal.

This brings to my mind five year olds in a playground. McCain operates at very low level of self control. The idea of such an easily provoked person attempting to negotiate with the likes of Hugo Chavez or Vlad Putin scares the snot out of me. Please feel free to copy and paste my article to any places that might get wider exposure for this important issue.

Regards,
Faun
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:37 PM
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7. K&R Thanks for posting this
I don't understand why the Keating 5 scandal is not being discussed more, because it sure says a lot about McCain's character (or lack thereof) and how corruptible he really is.

Is McCain the kind of person the American people really want in office to start correcting the destruction of the Bush administration? I bet most voters have never even heard of the Keating 5.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 01:51 PM
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8. kick.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 02:40 PM
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9. Last night on Bill Maher's show, John Fund said McCain was completely exonerated
in the Keating affair. How in the heck did he manage to slither out of this one?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:10 PM
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15. That's impossible, since Keating happened to be TWO of BCCIs Outstanding Matters.
And we all know these matters were deep-sixed throughout the 90s by some very powerful people pulling WH strings at the time.


BCCI's outstanding matters include TWO re Keating. Check out #8 and #12


Matters For Further Investigation

There have been a number of matters which the Subcommittee has received some information on, but has not been able to investigate adequately, due such factors as lack of resources, lack of time, documents being withheld by foreign governments, and limited evidentiary sources or witnesses. Some of the main areas which deserve further investigation include:

1. The extent of BCCI's involvement in Pakistan's nuclear program. As set forth in the chapter on BCCI in foreign countries, there is good reason to conclude that BCCI did finance Pakistan's nuclear program through the BCCI Foundation in Pakistan, as well as through BCCI-Canada in the Parvez case. However, details on BCCI's involvement remain unavailable. Further investigation is needed to understand the extent to which BCCI and Pakistan were able to evade U.S. and international nuclear non-proliferation regimes to acquire nuclear technologies.

2. BCCI's manipulation of commodities and securities markets in Europe and Canada. The Subcommittee has received information that remains not fully substantiated that BCCI defrauded investors, as well as some major U.S. and European financial firms, through manipulating commodities and securities markets, especially in Canada, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg. This alleged fraud requires further investigation in those countries.

3. BCCI's activities in India, including its relationship with the business empire of the Hinduja family. The Subcommittee has not had access to BCCI records regarding India. The substantial lending by BCCI to the Indian industrialist family, the Hindujas, reported in press accounts, deserves further scrutiny, as do the press reports concerning alleged kick-backs and bribes to Indian officials.

4. BCCI's relationships with convicted Iraqi arms dealer Sarkis Soghanalian, Syrian drug trafficker, terrorist, and arms trafficker Monzer Al-Kassar, and other major arms dealers. Sarkenalian was a principal seller of arms to Iraq. Monzer Al-Kassar has been implicated in terrorist bombings in connection with terrorist organizations such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Other arms dealers, including some who provided machine guns and trained Medellin cartel death squads, also used BCCI. Tracing their assets through the bank would likely lead to important information concerning international terrorist and arms trafficker networks.

5. The use of BCCI by central figures in arms sales to Iran during the 1980's. The late Cyrus Hashemi, a key figure in allegations concerning an alleged deal involving the return of U.S. hostages from Iran in 1980, banked at BCCI London. His records have been withheld from disclosure to the Subcommittee by a British judge. Their release might aid in reaching judgments concerning Hashemi's activities in 1980, with the CIA under President Carter and allegedly with William Casey.

6. BCCI's activities with the Central Bank of Syria and with the Foreign Trade Mission of the Soviet Union in London. BCCI was used by both the Syrian and Soviet governments in the period in which each was involved in supporting activities hostile to the United States. Obtaining the records of those financial transactions would be critical to understanding what the Soviet Union under Brezhnev, Chernenko, and Andropov was doing in the West; and might document the nature and extent of Syria's support for international terrorism.

7. BCCI's involvement with foreign intelligence agencies. A British source has told the Bank of England and British investigators that BCCI was used by numerous foreign intelligence agencies in the United Kingdom. The British intelligence service, the MI-5, has sealed documents from BCCI's records in the UK which could shed light on this allegation.

8. The financial dealings of BCCI directors with Charles Keating and several Keating affiliates and front-companies, including the possibility that BCCI related entities may have laundered funds for Keating to move them outside the United States. The Subcommittee found numerous connections among Keating and BCCI-related persons and entities, such as BCCI director Alfred Hartman; CenTrust chief David Paul and CenTrust itself; Capcom front-man Lawrence Romrell; BCCI shipping affiliate, the Gokal group and the Gokal family; and possibly Ghaith Pharaon. The ties between BCCI and Keating's financial empire require further investigation.

9. BCCI's financing of commodities and other business dealings of international criminal financier Marc Rich. Marc Rich remains the most important figure in the international commodities markets, and remains a fugitive from the United States following his indictment on securities fraud. BCCI lending to Rich in the 1980's amounted to tens of millions of dollars. Moreover, Rich's commodities firms were used by BCCI in connection with BCCI's involving in U.S. guarantee programs through the Department of Agriculture. The nature and extent of Rich's relationship with BCCI requires further investigation.

10. The nature, extent and meaning of the ownership of shares of other U.S. financial institutions by Middle Eastern political figures. Political figures and members of the ruling family of various Middle Eastern countries have very substantial investments in the United States, in some cases, owning substantial shares of major U.S. banks. Given BCCI's routine use of nominees from the Middle East, and the pervasive practice of using nominees within the Middle East, further investigation may be warranted of Middle Eastern ownership of domestic U.S. financial institutions.

11. The nature, extent, and meaning of real estate and financial investments in the United States by major shareholders of BCCI. BCCI's shareholders and front-men have made substantial investments in real estate throughout the United States, owning major office buildings in such key cities as New York and Washington, D.C. Given BCCI's pervasiveness criminality, and the role of these shareholders and front-men in the BCCI affair, a complete review of their holdings in the United States is warranted.

12. BCCI's collusion in Savings & Loan fraud in the U.S. The Subcommittee found ties between BCCI and two failed Savings and Loan institutions, CenTrust, which BCCI came to have a controlling interest in, and Caprock Savings and Loan in Texas, and as noted above, the involvement of BCCI figures with Charles Keating and his business empire. In each case, BCCI's involvement cost the U. S. taxpayers money. A comprehensive review of BCCI's account holders in the U.S. and globally might well reveal additional such cases. In addition, the issue of whether David Paul and CenTrust's political relationships were used by Paul on behalf of BCCI merits further investigation.

13. The sale of BCCI affiliate Banque de Commerce et de Placements (BCP) in Geneva, to the Cukorova Group of Turkey, which owned an entity involved in the BNL Iraqi arms sales, among others. Given BNL's links to BCCI, and Cukorova Groups' involvement through its subsidiary, Entrade, with BNL in the sales to Iraq, the swift sale of BCP to Cukorova just weeks after BCCI's closure -- prior to due diligence being conducted -- raises questions as to whether a prior relationship existed between BCCI and Cukorova, and Cukorova's intentions in making the purchase. Within the past year, Cukorova also applied to purchase a New York bank. Cukorova's actions pertaining to BCP require further investigation in Switzerland by Swiss authorities, and by the Federal Reserve New York.

14. BCCI's role in China. As noted in the chapter on BCCI's activities in foreign countries, BCCI had extensive activity in China, and the Chinese government allegedly lost $500 million when BCCI closed, mostly from government accounts. While there have been allegations that bribes and pay-offs were involved, these allegations require further investigation and detail to determine what actually happened, and who was involved.

15. The relationship between Capcom and BCCI, between Capcom and the intelligence community, and between Capcom's shareholders and U.S. telecommunications industry figures. The Subcommittee was able to interview people and review documents concerning Capcom that no other investigators had to date interviewed or reviewed. Much more needs to be done to understand what Capcom was doing in the United States, the United Kingdom, Egypt, Oman, and the Middle East, including whether the firm was, as has been alleged but not proven, used by the intelligence community to move funds for intelligence operations; and whether any person involved with Capcom was seeking secretly to acquire interests in the U.S. telecommunications industry.

16. The relationship of important BCCI figures and important intelligence figures to the collapse of the Hong Kong Deposit and Guaranty Bank and Tetra Finance (HK) in 1983. The circumstances surrounding the collpase of these two Hong Kong banks; the Hong Kong banks' practices of using nominees, front-companies, and back-to-back financial transactions; the Hong Banks' directors having included several important BCCI figures, including Ghanim Al Mazrui, and a close associate of then CIA director William Casey; all raise the question of whether there was a relationship between these two institutions and BCCI-Hong Kong, and whether the two Hong Kong institutions were used for domestic or foreign intelligence operations.

17. BCCI's activities in Atlanta and its acquisition of the National Bank of Georgia through First American. Although the Justice Department indictments of Clark Clifford and Robert Altman cover portions of how BCCI acquired National Bank of Georgia, other important allegations regarding the possible involvement of political figures in Georgia in BCCI's activities there remain outside the indictment. These allegations, as well as the underlying facts regarding BCCI's activities in Georgia, require further investigation.

18. The relationship between BCCI and the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro. BCCI and the Atlanta Branch of BNL had an extensive relationship in the United States, with the Atlanta Branch of BNL having a substantial number of accounts in BCCI's Miami offices. BNL was, according to federal indictments, a significant financial conduit for weapons to Iraq. BCCI also made loans to Iraq, although of a substantially smaller nature. Given the criminality of both institutions, and their interlocking activities, further investigation of the relationship could produce further understanding of Saddam Hussein's international network for acquiring weapons, and how Iraq evaded governmental restrictions on such weapons acquisitions.

19. The alleged relationship between the late CIA director William Casey and BCCI. As set forth in the chapter on intelligence, numerous trails lead from BCCI to Casey, and from Casey to BCCI, and the investigation has been unable to follow any of them to the end to determine whether there was indeed a relationship, and if there was, its nature and extent. If any such relationship existed, it could have a significant impact on the findings and conclusions concerning the CIA and BCCI's role in U.S. foreign policy and intelligence operations during the Casey era. The investigation's work detailing the ties of BCCI to the intelligence community generally also remains far from complete, and much about these ties remains obscure and in need of further investigation.

20. Money laundering by other major international banks. Numerous BCCI officials told the Subcommittee that BCCI's money laundering was no different from activities they observed at other international banks, and provided the names of a number of prominent U.S. and European banks which they alleged engaged in money laundering. There is no question that BCCI's laundering of drug money, while pervading the institution, constituted a small component of the total money laundering taking place in international banking. Further investigation to determine which international banks are soliciting and handling drug money should be undertaken.
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:03 PM
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40. Thank you, blm.
Every time this comes up, you post a wealth of information. Apparently, this is your 'thing' and you are way on top of it; I, for one, am grateful you've spent so much time and effort compiling information and passing it along in DU posts. :thumbsup:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 12:43 PM
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46. I wish more Dems would realize that every bit of this info is crucial to TODAY
and figures into the everyday agenda of the global fascists, as well as this campaign cycle.
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:36 PM
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50. True, and I'm tired of watching the same names roll by--scandal after scandal
without ever being called to account beyond the odd slap on the wrist. It's so wrong that a crook like Ollie North runs free in this world, even capitalizing on his notoriety with a tv show and as a 'journalist'. It's bizarre.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 08:19 AM
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53. And most of the BCCI thugs have been working for Bush2 administration thanks to the 90s era
decision of THAT Dem president to deep-six all the many outstanding matters for Poppy Bush and his powerful cronies.

Gee - that worked out well for this country and our party, didn't it?
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Faun Otter Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:12 PM
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16. John Fund -woman beater - was mistaken
In a Republican controlled committee on ethics (what an oxymoron that is!) McCain was censured for his roll in the Keating Five scandal and forced to donate all the money he received from Keating to the US trasury.

HOWEVER Cindy McCain was not forced to hand over any of the loot she pocketed (about a million dollars on the shopping mall investment) since she claimed her taxes and income were separate from her husband's.

And did McCain learn a damned thing from his Keating scandal censure? Not a chance. You can't teach an old pig new tricks or how to put on new lipstick or something like that.
Check this link:
http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2008/02/paxson-contradi.html

McCain interceded on behalf of one of his donors, Bud Paxson, and tried to deny he had been asked to do so. The lobbyist involved was Vicki Iseman, the woman who McCain was recently accused of having an affair with.

Who claimed Paxson had asked McCain to write letters that interfered with legal processes?

Bud Paxson himself.

Hmmmmm - McCain lies yet again.

As for John Fund as a reliable source, check this out -

COLUMNIST ASSAULTED HIS EX: COPS
By PHILIP MESSING and BRIDGET HARRISON

Troubled Wall Street Journal columnist John Fund was arrested yesterday and charged with assaulting his ex-girlfriend, police said.

Fund, 46, had a stormy relationship with Morgan Pillsbury, the 27-year-old daughter of a former girlfriend, for more than two years before the couple broke up last month, police sources said.

Tuesday, Fund, famous for his attacks on President Bill Clinton during the Monica Lewinsky sex scandal, allegedly went to Pillsbury's East Village home and bruised her leg during an argument, the sources said.

The arrest caps a bizarre unraveling of the couple's on-again, off-again relationship. Pillsbury told The Post's Page Six last month Fund had been abusive to her, but later attempted to retract the statement.

For the full article:

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/42128.htm
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 07:36 AM
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52. Daughter of a former girlfriend?
Creepy. He's creepy.
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howmad1 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 07:57 PM
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35. John Fund?
Wasn't he the guy who posed for the famous "Who me worry" poster? Or was Mad magazine?
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 02:49 PM
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10. Ditto post 9
How did he get out of it. . . and is the book still in print?
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Faun Otter Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:14 PM
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17. Not in print but...
If you search on Amazon (linked in the footnote to the main post above) you can find second hand copies fairly easily. I got mine as a library close out a couple of years ago.

Faun
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Faun Otter Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 05:45 PM
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28. Page refs from my article
In case anyone wants to cross check my report with the Trust Me book, here are my rough notes with page references. There is no index in the edition I own and these notes were gathered over a period of some weeks of reading:

226-227 Keating first met McCain at a navy league dinner in 1981. McCain made his first run for the house in 1982 and McCain called Keating to ask for money for his campaign. Note McCain called Keating and NOT vice versa. Keating sent substantial (for the time period) money in McCain's direction and arranged fund raisers for McCain in 1984, 85 and 86. McCain and Keating took vacations together with their families at Cat Cay in the Bahamas, Keating's mansion house retreat on the islands. During this period, McCain and Keating meet up every few months.

Keating's parties, obsession with porn and weird religious beliefs are referenced throughout the book. The party which McCain attended is described early on in the book but I don't have the exact page on my notes. I can find it if anyone really needs it. There is presented some evidence linking Keating to the assassination attempt on Larry Flynt which left him without the use of his legs, This might explain Flynt's visceral dislike for McCain.

227 - McCain got $110,000 from Keating. *Other reports put this at slightly more and so this may be a rounded figure.

252 - July 31 1986 Keating sends a letter to McCain that the FHLBB were turned loose in a police state under Ed Gray, a mad dog.

276 - February 18 1987 Keating met McCain in DC

281 - Thursday March 19 1987 Keating goes to McCain's office to discuss Ed Gray and asks McCain to fly to San Fransisco to confront Lincoln's auditors. McCain was uncomfortable about meeting the auditors. McCain asked a Keating aide, "is this for Charlie? Is he going bankrupt?" The aide said yes. Keating said to Senator DeConcini that McCain was a wimp because he sensed McCain was hesitant on meeting the bank board officials. Aides repeated the "wimp" comment to McCain.

282 - At 1.30 on Thursday March 19 1987, Keating was confronted by McCain at McCain's senate office. McCain was furious, "One thing I am not is a coward." McCain also said he didn't live in a box for five years to have Keating question his courage. McCain's aides were very surprised by his outburst. Keating begged McCain to calm down. McCain said he knew it was not appropriate for him to negotiate on Keating's behalf with regulators who were looking into illegal activities at Lincoln Savings and Loan. Keating said, "Hey John. I don't want you to go to the meeting. I'm sorry we even brought it up." Keating then prepared to leave. McCain replied, "No, I'm going to that meeting." Later that day, Keating boasts that he knew how to get McCain's attention.

284 - Evening of April 2 1987 - Ed Gray of the FHLBB meets with McCain and three other members of the Keating 5. Against protocol, Gray is not allowed to bring staff or staff attorneys. McCain barred his senate aides from the meeting. McCain wanted to be able to deny what happened at the meeting. McCain and the others refer to Keating as our friend. McCain et al. then demanded that Gray withdraw a bank regulation that was limiting Lincoln's investments.

288 - 289 April 9 1987 6pm, Bank regulators are called to a meeting with McCain and the four other Senators at their Senate offices. Bank official Bill Black took copious and exact notes. McCain said he was attending to help his constituents although he was an Arizona Senator and Lincoln S&L was a California company. Lincoln were making loans without checking any credit reports first.

290 - Michael Patriacha, head of the SF regional bank regulators told McCain and the others that Lincoln were violating the law and regulations. Later, McCain whistled through his teeth rather than telling his staff any details about the meeting.

362 - April 1989. Keating at a press conference answered the question of whether he was trying to influence or buy McCain's support with gifts and money states: "I want to say in the most forceful way I can, I certainly hope so."

An interesting aside from page 393. Carl Linder (another multi-billionaire) founded AFC with Keating. Linder is a major major donor to McCain today. Linder's son Keith runs Chiquita brands which admits giving 1.7 million dollars to AUC, a paramilitary group in Colombia that are listed as terrorists by the Bush regime.
Details:
http://www.mediabistro.com/bbs/cache/t39875_1.asp

Linder was the reason McCain was in Colombia when the hostages were freed a few months ago. It seems that the payments to the terrorists worked to free the hostages rather than some mythical clever ploy by Colombia's military. You may recall McCain and Lyndsey Graham were in Colombia at the moment the hostages were freed - in a Linder coordinated photo-op supposed to help McCain look less like a confused old man and more like a presidential contender.

Faun
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:29 PM
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41. Thank you for researching and compiling all of this
Lots of information, good stuff, on an issue that should be at the forefront in this election. It's unbelievable that the Keating 5 mess isn't being talked about, and it is important to drag it all out again and remind people of one of the nastier skeletons in McCain's closet. Keep it coming. ;)

I remember your name from a few years ago. It's good to see you posting again.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 02:53 PM
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11. This info is gold

Great job on the research into this.

McCain's entire career has been built capitalizing on his time as a POW. Obama needs to pick up the pace and start hitting back hard - I'm glad to see in the couple days that it looks like the Obama campaign's gloves are finally coming off.

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crazylikafox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 02:55 PM
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12. Big Kick. Thank you. We needed a good summary of Keating 5.
Everyone should study this post. One reason why I think this is not brought up in MSM is that people think it's too complicated to understand. This is a good summary. Gee, I'm a political & economic news junkie, & even I didn't know about the wild sex parties. Didn't know that his bad temper is "what made him do it". And we want this guy to have his fingers on the big red button???
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:00 PM
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13. I'm bookmarking for more reading later.
I just want to keep this kicked up too. Keep kicking kids! I have to go out.

MPK
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:00 PM
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14. The corporatemedia needs to bring this important part of
American History to light..like now! You can bethcher booties If it were Obama they'd be ON IT.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:29 PM
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18. Big KandR for Mr. Otter.
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Faun Otter Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 04:38 PM
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25. Hi BLM - and thanks
It is good to be writing again. I had a hiatus of about three years (at least partly due to being at the end of the world's slowest 'phone connection to the net in rural CA) but I am now back on the east coast. Hope all is well with you.

Faun
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 08:45 PM
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36. I remember well
your posts after the theft of the 2004 election. Welcome back, and thanks for this great work on the Keating 5.

BTW: Bud Paxson? How funny that Palin's youngest son is named Trig Paxson. Just a crazy coincidence, I know, but crazy all the same.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:45 AM
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45. Heading to Chapel Hill in the next few months......
No more newsrooms for mr. blm. ;)
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:32 PM
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19. SPREAD THE MEME: MCCAIN==MENTALLY UNFIT N/T
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:32 PM
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20. my my Mr Otter - you should be posting more
excellent recap. I was outside the country when the Keating thing went down and never knew the details.


Absolutely frightening - just like Marty McFly - keeps ruining his life every time somebody calls him a whimp.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:34 PM
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21. Temper/Explosive Episodes...useful for a soldier, for a president, not so much. nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:47 PM
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22. Haven't seen you around since the old days at Bartcop.
I remember some posts here also long time ago.

Good post as usual. :hi:
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Faun Otter Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 04:35 PM
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24. Good to be back
I am just retired from work and have finally got some health issues dealt with. It's good to be back.

Faun
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 04:05 PM
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23. kick & rec
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 04:51 PM
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26. the lunatic rantings of an old man
just what we need in the whitehouse
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 04:56 PM
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27. thanks for the info! Now let's tell everyone!
:kick:
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 06:36 PM
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29. thanks for the great work -- just a nit
"cost US taxpayers thousands of millions of dollars "

Thousands of millions of dollars would be billions of dollars. Did you mean hundreds of millions?

Also, in your references, I would include the book's page #s. Will make it so much easier on anybody who wants to follow up!

Hmmmm... in 1987, I believe Obama was about to enter Harvard Law. While McCain was breaking the law.
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Faun Otter Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 06:52 PM
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30. Gazillions of dollars
Thousands of millions of dollars are, indeed, billions of dollars. My expereince (which you might enjoy trying to replicate) shows that most people do not have a strong grasp of a billion dollars as a concept - they make a jump from millions to a s** load of money. By saying Keating's failure of Lincoln cost we the people, the US tax payers, "more than two thousand million dollars in a bail out", I believe it gives more impact than saying "over 2 billion dollars"

The 2+ billion dollars figure comes from the FDIC. There is a useful FDIC chronology of the S&L scandals at:
http://www.fdic.gov/bank/historical/s&l/index.html

While I was checking my figures, I found that the FDIC agree that Trust Me is a reliable source on McCain and Keating. See:

http://www.fdic.gov/bank/historical/s&l/slbib9.html

Faun
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Stardust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:50 PM
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39. So true.. Once you get past a million, the numbers become meaningless.
Fantastic research, Faun. You have done us all a great service explaining what appears on the surface to be oh so complicated but boils down to the old bugga-boo: greed (with some sex thrown in, of course!)
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 07:21 PM
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31. Hundreds of thousands of dead people will be listed on McCain's tombstone.
Oh, he wishes Keating Five was his worst legacy. That tiny shred of his remaining soul wishes he'd done no further harm than that.
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theodosis2 Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:07 AM
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44. Keating scandal
Was Senstor John Glenn <1st American astronaut in space> connected to this scandal?

If so; that would explain the publicity shutdown of this scandal, just curious. T
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Faun Otter Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 01:12 PM
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47. That is correct
Four other Senators were shamed into stepping down by their involvement in the Keating scandal:
John Glenn, Dennis DeConcini, Alan Cranston and Riegle

Notable by his absence from this list of people who did the honorable thing and retired.... John McCain.

Faun
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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 07:36 PM
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32. NICE JOB!
:)
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 07:41 PM
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33. "screamed at Keating that he hadn’t lived in a box for five years to have his courage questioned."
Where's my tiny violin when I need it?

:nopity:

You weren't the only one, McCain. A certain Dr. Butler has informed the world that there were over 600 POWs, many who were captive longer than you. He slammed you, McCain.

http://www.alternet.org/story/95825

"I Spent Years as a POW with John McCain, and His Finger Should Not Be Near the Red Button"

<snip>

I furthermore believe that having been a POW is no special qualification for being President of the United States. The two jobs are not the same, and POW experience is not, in my opinion, something I would look for in a presidential candidate.
Most of us who survived that experience are now in our late 60's and 70's. Sadly, we have died and are dying off at a greater rate than our non-POW contemporaries. We experienced injuries and malnutrition that are coming home to roost. So I believe John's age (73) and survival expectation are not good for being elected to serve as our President for 4 or more years.

I can verify that John has an infamous reputation for being a hot head. He has a quick and explosive temper that many have experienced first hand. Folks, quite honestly that is not the finger I want next to that red button.


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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 07:41 PM
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34. PLEASE let's have a documentary reviewing Keating 5 stuff
or build a mini-doc with some detail like this on You Tube. Lots of hot material in this arena.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:01 PM
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37. Senator Marty McFly
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 09:01 PM by Gman
"What's the matter, McFly? Are you chicken?
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:41 PM
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38. Great info. Proves that McCain is a coward. Cowards are the most dangerous people on earth.
Look at the cost of the S&L failures--much of it because of cowards like McCain. Look at the tortures that are being carried out by America now. Where is John McCain. He never talks about ending these tortures. Coward!

He no longer even has the courage to run his campaign in legitimate issues. That truly is the mark of a coward. Barack Obama. Now there's a courageous man. Let's hope that he maintains his strength to fight the cowards of the country--the GOP.
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Faun Otter Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 01:18 PM
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48. Great meme - McCain a coward
McCain is a coward for not standing up to the people in his campaign who are putting out all those lies in his name.

Faun
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The Woodpecker Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:15 PM
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49. The Keating Five Scandal will come out before election time
The Obama campaign will use this trump card in the coming weeks, mark my word. McCain and his wife as well as his father in law all have a sordid past. Laws were broken and lies were told. It's just a matter of time before McCain has to answer to the American public for his misdeeds.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:42 PM
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51. It's hard for the media or Obama to bring up Keating 5 b/c McCain was cleared by Senate.
Edited on Sun Sep-14-08 10:44 PM by AZBlue
In 1991 the Senate Ethics Committee cleard McCain and John Glenn of having acted improperly but said they just showed "poor judgment."

But the facts still remain and this is definitely something that needs to be promoted by us on a grassroots level.
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