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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:09 AM
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Newsweek Poll: Deadlocked at 46-46 (but HRC supporters still a problem)
and white women in general. According to Newsweek among white women who supported Hillary:
18-39 by 59-32 support Obama
40-59 by 51-41 support McCain
60 and up by 50-42 support McCain

http://www.newsweek.com/id/158636?tid=relatedcl

Quantifying how much of this McCain bounce is attributable to the Palin pick can be tricky. When asked, only 29 percent of respondents in the poll said Palin makes them more likely to support McCain in the fall, a proportion on par with other running-mate selections in recent history, like Al Gore in 1992 and Jack Kemp in 1996. In fact, 22 percent of voters say Palin makes them less likely to support McCain, more than any other recent vice presidential candidate.

But clearly, McCain has benefited enormously from the avalanche of attention his vice presidential selection triggered. On a signature Obama issue, the war in Iraq, the Republican nominee now leads his Democratic opponent 51 percent to 41 percent, a marked change from an April NEWSWEEK Poll, which had Obama leading McCain on the issue, 54 percent to 34 percent. McCain also leads Obama on the issue of taxes and spending and on national security and terrorism. On the No. 1 issue on voters' minds in this election, the economy, 49 percent to 40 percent prefer Obama to McCain—though the Democrat's lead there has narrowed significantly since June, when a NEWSWEEK Poll showed him with a 54 percent to 29 percent lead over McCain.

One key group driving McCain's bounce on these issues: white women. McCain now leads Obama in this group by 16 points, 53 percent to 37 percent, up from July, when white women backed McCain by only 5 points—44 percent to 39 percent. Twenty-four percent of these women say they are more inclined to vote for McCain now that he has a female running mate.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/158627
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:10 AM
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1. Calling Hillary Clinton!
Please take out Palin!
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:17 AM
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3. I think that is Joe Biden's job. He is Obama's VP choice if I remember correctly.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:31 AM
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13. Wrong, if Hillary believes in America and Americans
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 10:31 AM by Democat
She should do everything she can to help defeat McCain.

Do you think that none of us should help Obama because running for president is his job?

It is Hillary's duty as an American who loves her country to do everything she can to help defeat McCain and Palin.

If she isn't willing to do that, then she shouldn't have run in the first place!

This is no time for "not my job" BS.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:15 PM
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23. "not my job". Why are you attributing an opinion
of a poster on DU to Hillary Clinton? When did she say it's "not my job" to help with the campaign. She's doing what she is asked to do by the Obama campaign.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:07 PM
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20. Was her campaign only about Hillary?
Isn't that what she herself asked?

Is she not a good Democrat? Is she not a good American?

If she can help, shouldn't she? Or was this all just a cult of personality, and consequences be damned?
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:54 PM
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26. Oh, cry me a fuckin river...
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 04:10 PM by golddigger
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:11 AM
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2. You need to ask whether Americans should die defending Ukraine.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:18 AM
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4. Those aren't Hillary supporters. They don't support her or the party. Just sayin'. nt
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:21 AM
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5. The south skews the totals
This doesn't matter because we aren't counting on them to win anyway.
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:23 AM
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6. They really need to stop calling those people Hillary Clinton
supporters because they obviously are not and do not share her ideals or that of the democratic party.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:25 AM
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7. To paraphrase Ann Richards - women voting for McCain are like chickens voting for Col. Sanders
I don't think the women who are serious about this election will ever switch from Hillary to McCain.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:26 AM
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8. The media still in love with hating Hillary Clinton
And they are going to keep interjecting her into the scene ever fucking chance they get.

Hillary just needs to come out and say ENOUGH!

BTW: She will be on the campaign trail for Obama in Ohio on Sunday

Elyria, OH at Lorain County Community College, doors open at 11:30AM

Akron, OH. at Ellet Highschool Sunday. Doors open at 2PM.


No tickets required.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:31 AM
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9. The 60+ group need to have FDR invoked. They forgot who Dems are.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:57 AM
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12. Most Of The People Who Voted For FDR Are Dead
The youngest FDR voters would have to be eighty five years old!
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:24 PM
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25. Note that 60+ group is not the worst, 40-59 is
40-59 by 51-41 support McCain
60 and up by 50-42 support McCain

That includes the group that screw us over every time, Generation Jones...the baby baby boomers born 1954-1965
They were the only group that voted bush over Kerry in the 5 swing states but they id it in high enough numbers that they gave the states to bush.

The boomers we complain about...the Woodstock/Vietnam age people...they went Kerry. The younger ones who didn't face the draft...spoiled brats or something.

I can say that because it's my generation and it's Obama's generation. We are cool of course but some of our peers....

I have trouble grasping that any woman who agreed with Hillary enough to vote for her would vote McCain. For themselves, their daughters, their granddaughters...what kind of world do they want?
Obama must be doing very well to be pretty much even despite these theoretical Dems.

I recently read one who besides being angry at Obama and Dems for being sexist was very angry that he'd run knowing a black person could never win.

Running while black-the new crime?
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:35 AM
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10. Leading questions in the poll?
Based on what you’ve seen or heard about the so-called “Bridge to Nowhere” – a 400 million dollar proposed transportation project,

a) Palin personally stopped the project by telling Congress “thanks but no thanks,” rejecting
federal funding, OR

b) Palin dropped her support for the project only after it became clear that Congress would not
fund it?

c) (DO NOT READ) Don’t know


MISSING IS (d) She kept the federal pork funding and spent it on other projects for her state.

===

Also, how they determined Hillary Clinton supporters is not spelled out. If they asked "did you vote for Hillary Clinton", then they might be getting a fair chunk of operation chaos republicans (who either voted for Clinton or are saying they are now) saying yes and that they support McCain.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 09:53 AM
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11. Sorry, but the voters who switched to Palin are not and never were progressives. If
they were, they would be voting for the Greens, who have _two_ women on their ticket. Why vote for one vagaina when you can have two?

So either they were vagina-only mindless voters, or they are repubs messing with our heads.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:40 AM
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14. Hmmm... Is it supported Hillary or VOTED for Hillary?
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 10:44 AM by Kurt_and_Hunter
The total from the poll is Hillary Clinton Supporters: Obama-77 McCain-16

And it's probably much better than the poll shows.

Even if we assume Hillary got eleven million actual white female votes (which seems too high) that's, what... 6% of registered voters? 7%? The margin of error in that sub-sample must be enormous.

But if they ask people whether they *supported* Hillary that could include a lot of Republican women who supported her in relative terms but were never going to vote Dem.

(Hell, even Sean Hannity "supported" Hillary, in that he dislikes black people more than women.)
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:57 AM
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15. I want to hear more from Hillary and Bill. Why are they so under the radar?
I wish they would do more.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:21 AM
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16. I don't believe true blue HRC supports would vote for McBush
Maybe a tiny fraction that are pathologically bitter; but any real Dem is not voting for 4 more years of Bush. More head games. Misleading poll.
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:39 AM
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17. Aren't we ALL Hillary supporters? "I" certainly am. I'm also a
Ted Kennedy supporter.. and a John Kerry supporter.. and a Barbara Boxer supporter.. an so on.
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:44 AM
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18. what do you mean by support? I "support" her for Senator from NY
and unless another Democrat comes along who I like more, I will continue supporting her job.
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:15 PM
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22. Exactly.
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d.amber Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:53 AM
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19. I think woman don't understand the issues yet.
They don't understand how pro-life Palin is. That she wants a rape victem to have the child of the man who raped her.

They don't know her extreme church. These 'endtimer' churches scare me to death.

They don't understand the healthcare system that McCain wants. Get rid of your employee based health care and give you a $5,000 tax credit. What a joke. Find a family of say 5..who can find health insurance for that.

They don't understand her views of no sex education in the class room. Like that works...enough said on the examples.

The facts will come out sooner or later...woman will wake up or we can face a future of going back to coathangers again when they get the supreme court that they want.

Change? Yes...McCain/Palin...change back to the darkages.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:12 PM
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21. Women,like men, can't be so easily pigeonholed.
They span the political spectrum and have varying degrees of interest in politics.Many voters aren't issues oriented and cast their vote for reasons that would perplex most of us.Lots of voters don't understand the issues,regardless of gender.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:17 PM
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24. appeal to women's fear of total nuclear anhiliation
a vote for McCain === WW III McCain will rashly launch nuclear missiles....start WW III

giant mushroom cloud in the background

voice over of Bush, in 2000, saying McCain is mentally unfit

we need an ad showing all this
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