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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:25 AM
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McCain new strategy: Run against "One Party Rule"
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/mccain-urges-against-one-party-rule-2008-09-13.html

Now Sen. Obama wants you to believe that things will get better if Democrats control both the Congress and the presidency," said Sen. McCain (Ariz.), the Republican nominee for president, in his campaign's weekly radio address. "But when Americans demand change in Washington, one-party rule where power is an end of itself isn't exactly what they have in mind."



Last Thursday I suggested that McCain would change his strategy and run against both Republican and Democratic parties and against "One Party Rule". For many independents this is a very effective strategy and I think that we need to start preparing a counter argument now.



Here are some suggestions




The "Divided Argument" Case - the McCain/Palin campaign's next and final hurrah
Posted by grantcart in General Discussion: Presidential
Wed Sep 10th 2008, 05:36 PM
You don't find people much straighter than Obama. Yet under the intense scrutiny of national politics words taken out of context and guilt by association made this very normal extremely intelligent guy look different. In the end the thing that is so strange about Obama is how intelligent he is and how dispassionate his diagnosis of what is wrong with the American system.

As the scrutiny starts to bear down on Palin and McCain the media will develop a blood lust of trying to expose their weakness. Once they smell blood and the faux dance/reform team of Palin/McCain team is understood to be wounded they will surround and be relentless.

Part of it will be absolutely stupid things that Palin has said. Contradictions between pork hustler and new born reformer. Part of it will be the embarrassing comparison of how small McCain's crowds are when Palin isn't there. Finally there will be some interviews. Palin will have to explain Palin and McCain will have to explain Palin.

Over the next 14 days their numbers will subside and then everyone will be claiming that they "told you so" that it wouldn't last. Just like all of the pundits who now dismiss the Iraqi war after cheer leading it in the beginning.

When McCain sinks down to 42% national support and the McCain campaign faces a long slow decline into oblivion they will be left with a single selling point, "the Dems will control the House and the Senate, so vote for McCain so that no one power has complete control. Divided government is the best"

You can already hear them saying it on Fox and on Sunday talk shows. David Broder column today in the NYT says "If I were McCain, I'd make the divided government argument explicit. The Republicans are intellectually unfit to govern right now, but balancing with Democrats, the might be able to do some good. I'd have McCain tell the country that he looks forward to working with congressional Democrats, that he is confident they can achieve great things together."

David Broder is serious about this - he thinks its an amazingly great idea.

It is also an idea that will have a great deal of support among independent Americans, many who have not been impressed with our lackluster congressional leadership.

The idea has one upside and 3 major problems. The upside is that it would cause major rifts in the Republican Party. Its hard to see how the Republican Party would spend their money supporting a candidate who openly was arguing for people to vote for him and vote for Democratic Senators and Congresspeople. McCain has inched closer and closer to this formulation. The man who betrayed his wife and has capitulated on all his ideals is inching towards a final betrayal, screw all the other Republicans - vote Democratic and for me for President.

And here are the three major problems:

1) John McCain is highly likely to be replaced as President during his term. It doesn't have to be for a fatal reason, it can be a simple stroke or other debilitating disease or return of cancer. Palin as President is completely unacceptable it actually makes Bush look good.

2) The power of the executive has been so elevated that whatever benefit arises from dividing power will be eliminated by the fact that McCain/Palin will almost certainly respond to a provocation (like Ahmadinijaed) with a military strike. Beyond the cavilier use of force you are faced with the appointment of literally thousands of senior and midlevel bureacrats from the Judiciary and the Department of Justice to the Environmental Protection Agency, etc etc etc hang in the balance.

3) The divided government approach condemns us to incremental change. Sometimes that is ok but now we need systemic changes. There is a very simple reason why among all of the developed countries in the world we are the only one that doesn't have socialized health care, divided government. The other countries with Parliamentary systems accumulate the power of both legislative and executive branches into single party leadership, and as soon as they lose favor they are out. When it comes to health care, combating global warming, redirecting our economic system from fossil fuels it is going to take bold steps not incremental ones.

We should be prepared for the final McCain message - vote for me for a balance of power.

Our answer has to be that; he has endangered the country with his reckless choice of VP and they cannot be considered for office under any circumstances, the power of the executive is too great to be bartered away, and the time has come for the country to take some carefully considered but big steps - if we had divided government in the 1930's then many of the things that we now take for granted - like Social Security - would never have been passed.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:53 AM
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1. The Maverick Obstructionist.
Well, I guess when you have nothing to run on, you run on nothing. :shrug:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:55 AM
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2. The Maverick Obstructionist = fucking inspired you got it right on the head
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samuraiguppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:56 AM
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3. shit this guy is slick n/t
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:58 AM
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4. I agree, Senator. Let's revamp the entire system so that it's a multi-party
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 11:58 AM by GreenPartyVoter
parliament sort of deal, eh?
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:59 AM
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5. For Independents, this is an effective strategy...
I've heard Democrats use this before as well, though it's usually used to get people elected to congress and not the WH.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:10 PM
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9. right we have to stop looking in the mirror and think about the upcoming
strategy.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:10 PM
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10. dupe
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 12:10 PM by grantcart
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:03 PM
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6. K/R - We can't let his campaign dominate with this message
Here's how we stop him: "Is Senator McCain suggesting that Democrats are going to maintain leadership in both houses in November? What, exactly, is he doing to prevent this?"

Corner him with the RNC's own strategy of winning only the presidency this year.

:thumbsup:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:05 PM
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7. Formula for Gridlock and Stagnation -- More of the Same
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 12:06 PM by Armstead
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:08 PM
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8. The "saftey" of divided government resonates with the mushy middle
This could work for them. That's why we have to make people see McCain/Palin as unacceptable on every level.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:12 PM
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11. The simple argument is accountability. Republicans have fucked up the country over 8 years. Largely
through the White House. They need to be evicted from federal government. Period.

If the Democrats fail to perform, then evict them in 4 or 8 years. But for anyone making this argument, to suggest that Republicans deserve another term in the WH because of this "one party" issue is laughable.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:19 PM
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12. dupe
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 12:20 PM by barack the house
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:19 PM
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13. The first argument is Republicans are still in one party rule and their obstruction will continue >
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 12:20 PM by barack the house
under mccain.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:36 PM
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14. Divided government hasn't worked so well this past Congress
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 01:27 PM by butlerd
The Republicans (of which McSame was part of) left in Congress after the 2006 elections with Bush in WH engaged in a massive campaign of obstructionism against POPULAR initiatives advanced by Democrats. Although I've been extremely disappointed with the Democrat's overall performance during the past 2 years and how they ended up caving in to Bush on a lot of things they should've at least voted against I blame the Republicans for their lack of accomplishments FAR more than I do the Democrats. Also, I don't really recall what, if anything, McSame did to reach across the aisle to work anytime during the past 8 years other than Feingold-McSame (which he now apparently opposes) with Democrats and we know how "well" he treated Obama over his attempts to pass bipartisan ethics reform

If people genuinely want change and think the Democrats can do a better job of governing then it would be crazy IMHO to elect Democrats (perhaps even a much larger majority of them) to Congress and then turn right around and elect McSame/Palin to the WH. IF Democrats get a veto-proof majority and IF they stick together we could potentially get a few things passed over McSame's objections but it would probably end up just being a state of "gridlock" for the next 4 years.

While there have been excesses by both parties when they've captured all three branches (although the Democrats have controlled all three branches for MUCH shorter periods of time in recent history if I remember correctly-2 years out of 28?), there is almost no way to push through any significant changes when one side or the other (or both) are run by persons whose views are so diametrically opposed and whom lack any genuine willingness to compromise that any sort of meaningful bipartisanship is impossible. The last few years has primarily been "my way or the highway" and I wouldn't expect that to change much (if any) with McSame/Palin in the WH. Bush/Cheney already tried the "uniter not a divider" shtick 8 years ago and their record of "reaching across the aisle" has been abysmal and I haven't seen much evidence that McCain being in the WH would change that if forced to work with a Democratic Congress and, frankly, I don't think Republicans in Congress and the GOP "base" would really allow him, particularly when it comes to appointing judges.

IMHO, it really all boils down to this: If the American public REALLY wants substantive "change" (whichever version of it being offered by Obama and McSame that they choose to buy) in Washington, they're going to need to give whomever is elected control of Congress in order for anything substantive to be accomplished.

Otherwise..............?????




:shrug:
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:41 PM
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15. He was for one party rule before he was against it
Loved it in 2004.

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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:43 PM
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16. We had 1 party rule from 2002 - 2006.
Look at what that got us. A war in Iraq, for instance.
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:45 AM
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24. Exactly! And what was McCain doing during that time?
Eating a lot of cake and making a boatload of money! :grr:

:banghead:

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votetastic Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:45 PM
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17. But the Executive branch IS a "one-party rule"

The president appoints:

Secretary of State
Secretary of Defense
The Judicial branch
Attorney General
the heads of Federal agencies
Supreme Court justices, judges

and the president's VP is the president of the Senate.

The president effectively "wins it all"... it's a one-party rule no matter who is in Congress.

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:18 PM
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18. exactly right the problem is that this is a very enticing argument for
independents and we need to start preparing for it now.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:26 PM
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19. K & R, good analysis n/t
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:52 PM
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20. Really. Then why did he campaign for Bush in 2004?
If he's so dead set against it?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:53 PM
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21. Bottom line..mccain is full of SHIT..
next?
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 04:10 PM
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22. Kickin' to find a fifth rec ...
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Jeroen Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 04:49 PM
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23. K&R
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