Have you EVER seen a candidate get torn apart in the press the way McCain is being right now?

[Curtland1015]

Maybe I just have the blinders on because I'm on this site so much and we always pass the "good" back and forth. But honestly, in all the presidential campaigns I've seen, I have NEVER seen the press honestly tear into someone they way they are into McCain! Sure he still has his spin machine, and the far, far right aren't going to paint him badly, but by and large almost ALL the mainstream press seems to be calling McLame out on his crap.

I've personally never seen anything like it for a candidate running for President.

...not that the piece of garbage doesn't deserve it. :D

Now lets see if him being exposed as a sleazy liar will actually SWAY any votes.

[annabanana]

1. Not a republican, no.. But this is MILD compared to the lambasting

they regularly gave Gore & Kerry.

The internets have shamed them into doing some actual. . you know.. what's the word?..

Oh yeah..

JOURNALISM

[spotbird]

44. Exactly

This isn't anything compared to the weeks of Reverend Wright we've already endured.

[Kitty Herder]

47. Yes. And it's about time some the slime was thrown in the other direction. nt

[pnwmom]

2. Yes. Gore in 2000, after he did well in the debates.

There's still plenty of time for them to go after Obama.

[rebel with a cause]

31. They went after Obama earlier in the year

and they will do it again when rove gets his way with them. The press has been getting screwed by the RW for well over eight years now, so don't expect them to go celibate now. Sorry to be gross, but that is how I see the relationship between the rovettes and the MSNM.

I remember Wolf Blitzer when Clinton was president and Wolf was a WH correspondent. They would show him standing in front of the WH as he gave his comments and he would be so full of contempt for Clinton that it was evident. I remember resenting Wolf for it, but I couldn't help but wonder what Clinton was doing to earn him that much contempt. I still can't stand Wolf and I still wonder what was going on at that time behind the scenes.

:shrug:

[spotbird]

51. This is different, because it is fact based.

And not contrived to promote hysteria.

[regnaD kciN]

76. Yep...Gore in 2000, branded as "compulsive liar"...

...just like McCain now, except that, in McCain's case, it's true.

[MannyGoldstein]

3. I Think The Press Has Had It With The Utter Bullshit

I've seen a fair number tear into McSameAsBush and his surrogates over the past week. Tom Brokaw, even Chreis Wallace, and it sounds like The View gals handed Lyin' John his ass on a platter (although that's not exactly the press).

[Mme. Defarge]

30. That, and/or

the result of p*ssing off Bush. I wonder how much influence the Bush cartel has with the press? Plus, there are those in the Republican party who believe that they will be better off in 2012 if a Democratic president inherits their mess in 2008. Perhaps McCain really is a throw-away candidate with the perfect running mate.

[nolabels]

52. We all should remember that Republicans work for corporate America

No doubt they are just boxing some ears to keep them kowtowing and or some other agenda. I don't see that corporate juggernaut going down or making a real truce but might be some kind retreat to retool and give false hopes. People really should try to understand how maniacal their owners really are. Some history reading into the gilded ages of the 1890's would probably give some clue about how such robber barons really work.

Gilded Age
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilded_Age

[spotbird]

46. Palin's cronyism caught up with her

she pissed off the big oil companies and misused state funds to give business to a friend.

[sunnybrook]

68. have you seen that

You may revise your view! They were more like actual journalists than so called journalists. They were serious and relentless!

[housewolf]

4. What short memories we have...

Think back to 2000 & 2004.... my memory of those campaigns is that they were far worse than what McCain is having to deal with...

[Curtland1015]

5. I'm not saying I don't remember them going after Gore...

with things like his "sighing" at the debates, and spreading lies about him saying he invented the internet.

This feels... stronger. The language is more powerful, and reporters on BOTH sides are ripping into McCain and Palin. Not to mention, this time it's actually JUSTIFIED. I think this is more than spreading the "hot" story, it really feels like it's the press getting tired of the obvious spin and realizing they'd ruin they're own reputations if they went along with it.

[CTyankee]

27. I agree with you. Remember how the NYT and NEw Republic actually APOLOGIZED in print

for falling for Bush's bullshit that got us into the Iraq war? Plus, they've been beating their breasts for quite some time about their absymal performance with the Swiftboaters.

I think the worm has turned. And you're absoutely right: it's their own reputations they are protecting!

[Cha]

36. Probably because mccain is actually guilty of all this crap

and they had to make up shit about Gore and Kerry.

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[Libby2]

6. Yes, Yes, I have.

[crim son]

7. He's taking a beating. My question: Why?

They don't have to do their job and have not done their job for over eight years. What's different about McCain/Palin?

[seabeyond]

10. it is so blatant and in face. at least bush lies were leveled and wrapped up, hard to find

mccain is flat out lying in our face. TOO easy to prove.

[gravity]

26. The Bush camp at least knew the subtle art of BS

McCain is flat out lying, and can't spin themselves out of it.

[spotbird]

48. Survival instinct?

Palin believes these are the end of times and could have the power to make it come true.

[crim son]

62. That's my guess.

Suddenly it isn't an interesting way to sell news any more - it's a great threat to our way of life.

[OwnedByFerrets]

71. I think its because the repug convention trashed the media......

they dont actually like getting that kind of treatment.

[Hawkowl]

80. Self preservation.

With the slow motion collapse of our banking system and no end in sight to the collapse of the dollar and perpetual deficit spending, the old money men realize they need somebody smart enough to deal with real problems. Or else they could lose everything.

We elect McCain we get to turn the US into 1930's Germany. I shit you not.

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. No candidate in history has ever dared run on so little policy and so many lies

Seriously.

Bush-Cheney was a shit ticket, but they at least pretended to run on their shitty policies.

The McCain campaign isn't even pretending. They openly state that they will not run on any issues or policy, and they openly repeat lies that have been publicly debunked by every group that has bothered to investigate them.

It's a shocking display of contempt for the American public.

[ladjf]

66. Your explanation is the key to the situation.

I'm beginning to believe that the powers behind the media are beginning to be afraid that if Palin and or McCain were to attain the Presidency, the entire American economy will totally crash.(I believe that myself). In that case, the Republican election could cost them money , not make it.
Face it, would good would owning a media cartel in a Country that is financially destitute?

[seabeyond]

9. are you fuckin series!!11!. gore, kerry and it was lies they were tearing into these two. mccain

at least is being wuestioned on HIS lies..... not lies created to smear him.

not a chance in hell.

msm is easy on him for what he has done. he needs to be called on what he has done on this campaign much more aggressively

[nyhuskyfan]

11. As others have pointed out

Al Gore. The treatment he got in 2000 was shameful. The media was calling him out on stuff that wasn't even true. The whole "invented the internet" thing was a complete misrepesentation of what he said. The AP misquoting him about Love Canal (he said "that was the one that started it all" and they quoted him as saying "I was the one who started it all"). Meanwhile, Boosh was taking credit for the Patients Bill of Rights in Texas, which he vetoed, but which passed anyone once the legislature earned enough of a majority that it couldn't be vetoed. And nobody ever called him on it. Because, you know, he was just plain folks and people wanted to have a beer with him.

[BumRushDaShow]

12. They only do it on Friday nights and Saturday and by Sunday, they sing his praises once more. n/t

[rebel with a cause]

33. Exactly what I have said to people here.

Oh this is Friday. Ike is hitting tonight and that will take the weekend. By Monday we will be back reading how wonderful mccain/palin are. In fact the headline today is that the bush doctrine is so complicated that it is no wonder that palin was a bit confused on what Gibson meant. :puke:

[marlakay]

13. he must have pissed them off keeping sarah away

and canceling interview with cnn.

[treestar]

14. They want it to be a dead heat

So they got Gramps ahead and now they have to pull him back.

[Undercurrent]

15. Yes.

Gore.
Dean.
Kerry.
Bill Clinton while he was prez.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

16. Kerry, Gore, Carter, Clinton, Dean, Mondale, Dukakis, Brown...

[ladjf]

67. I don't remember the criticisms against those you listed as being

quite as negative as those against McCain. They are flay out calling his campaign a "pack of lies".
That's pretty rough stuff.

In any event, they are doing it and I'm pleased.

[anonymous171]

17. The press hates liars, especially ones that antagonize the media.

Bush and Cheney were liars, but they never lied in such an outright manner like McCain does. Most of the time they just fudged the numbers, fiddled with definitions, and "forgot" to mention certain facts.

[Hansel]

18. Yep, but usually they have a D behind their name. nt

[nxylas]

49. Exactly!

The question should have been "have you ever seen a REPUBLICAN candidate...?" etc. etc.

[blm]

19. That's ABSURD. McCain is being PROTECTED MIGHTILY STILL by the corporate media.

What a focking MYTH you're trying to perpetuate here.

[EC]

20. Two things I figure, he scared them with the Palin pick

and when he refused to "let" them interview them they decided okay, gloves off. They don't like him anymore...

[retread]

21. Yes. Goldwater - 1964, McGovern - 1972, Carter - 1980, Gore - 2000, Kerry - 2004. In fact,

if you factor in his campaign's egregious conduct, McLiar is getting a pass.

[H2O Man]

35. Well said. n/t

[flamingdem]

22. Why it's just like wolves on a lame caribou!

gnash gnash

[thenam]

23. Rev Wright, Flag Pins...

Obama has dealt with this crap, too. Right now his big problem is that he can't seem to get any attention, while the Palin circus rolls on.

[NEDem]

24. "Torn apart"? really? Where?

[Curtland1015]

25. HAW... okay, okay... let me rephrase...have you ever seen the press tear into

a candidate so HONESTLY before? How about that?

[anonymous171]

28. The press is just reporting. McCain is doing all the ripping himself.

He should just stop lying.

[Joe Chi Minh]

29. You mean "....will actually prevent fraudulent conversion of the election results", don't you?

[Tribetime]

32. are you serious? He and Palin have had a cakewalk

compared to Obama/ Clinton. I must have been dreaming about Rev Wright, flag pins, saluting the flag, Bosnia, muslim, Koran, BLAH BLAH BLAH PUKE

[MichiganVote]

34. I don't think they're doing much myself. One liners followed up by nada.

[freespirit5]

37. You mean like Kerry was torn apart ?

nt

[bkcc]

38. Let's hope it has an effect on the polls and then the election.

The press can say anything it wants, but it's going to be dependent on how the info is received.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

39. Monicagate was quite a frenzy.

But, I must admit, McDouchebagg/Caribou Barbie are getting quite a once over. They brought it on themselves by being thugs to the media. What comes around, goes around.

[Frumious B]

40. Maybe corporate America sees the handwriting on the wall.

Surely they realize that a total economic collapse of the United States would harm them as well and I doubt they share the theocratic social agenda or the "let's see how much stuff I can blow up to make Jesus come back." agenda of Sarah Palin.

[MoonRiver]

41. I just hope this doesn't mean

that Obama is corporate media's choice. :scared:

[lonestarnot]

42. I must have missed it. Damn it!

[firedupdem]

43. Where have you been seeing him get torn apart? I never see

it and I watch often.

[Top Cat]

45. The press is finally doing their job ..........

[senseandsensibility]

50. I'm sure everyone remembers swiftboating?

And the big difference is the press was telling lies about Kerry, insulting a genuine war hero. All they're doing here is calling McSame on some of his lies.
There's no comparison.

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

53. Rachel let the genie out of the bottle when she used the words "lie" and "lying"

regarding Grampy. KO was using the same terms the next night. Since then it has been a flood. I mean, seriously, Mooselini and P O Dubya's bullshit is so blatant and easy to refute that a seven year old can do it in minutes on Google. It has been on the level of 2+2=eleventeen and "Down is Up." Even the Repukes can only get away with playing people for chumps for so long.

Also, the Campbell Brown thing has mightily pissed off a number of people in the press. One of Bill Moyers' guests last night said that that particular incident (cancelling McShits' appearance on Larry King because Brown repeatedly requested just one example of a command decision Moosey made with respect to the AK Nat'l Guard) was the most counterproductive thing she'd ever seen in a campaign. She also pointed out that Grampy needs King far more than vice versa. Nobody can get away with that level of "Fuck you" to the media.

[XRubicon]

54. How do you type with your fingers crossed?

Just wondering...

[opihimoimoi]

55. The Lies of Palin and McWho piles up...they are addicted to lies and slogans

They set themselves up for scrutiny and rebuke...they don't care...no Truth Ammon in the can...only BS and attack projection...

Obama gonna round them up and brand them with HOT TRUTH that cannot be denied....might even leave a mark...

[Skwmom]

56. This is really bogus. McCain is hardly being torn apart.

[RTBerry]

60. Well yes, but why bother with petty details like that?

It is so much more fun to believe in Obama's inevitable victory. Just like it was so much more fun to believe in Kerry's and Gore's.

[Overseas]

58. YES I HAVE OFTEN seen Democratic candidates dissed in the press. With far less justification

than John Sidney McCain III, who got such favorable treatment for months and months this year and years and years before that.

A week of honest reporting on JSM III, that just seems like hell, is really nothing compared to the parroting of RNC lies about the Democrats that we have seen on the Republican owned media year after year.

[RagAss]

59. Too Little... and maybe Too Late.....n/t.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

61. Were you asleep during the 90s? Bill Clinton was hounded by the press. nt

[crazy_vanilla]

63. not that this old smelly lunatic

will suddenly start feeling embarrassed for all he has been doing and stop it. I don't think he gives a crap about what the press is saying because he knows his simpleton moronic supporters will follow him beyond the edge of the cliff.

And, judging by the past 2 elections, there are waaaay too many morons in this country.:hurts:

[ladjf]

64. In the first place, McCain appears to be the biggest lier ever to

run for President.

It's a matter of marketing. If an advertiser lies about products they are prosecuted. As far as I know, there are no laws against campaign lying. But, there should be.

One would think that the American public would reject lying. But, they are so used to it that it doesn't seem to matter. Many of our voters are totally out of touch with political reality.

[HughMoran]

65. McCain may be the worst candidate for President in my lifetime

His pathetic "going to the darkside of lies and smears" has only served to make him look weak - the MSM sees him for the fraud that he is.

[crazy_vanilla]

69. yes, he is also

dense, smelly, and slow to speak, but quick to anger

[Zombie2]

70. Just doing what they're suppose to be doing...

You must be a younger person that's not lived through many presidental elections.

Now, watch this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hphLyz4kx_k

[trudyco]

72. Not a Repub since the Fairness Act disappeared

I think that the Palin choice scares them on top of the housing collapse going on. After all, McCain has a 15% or so chance of dieing in office just on age. Add in the torture and the Melanoma and I bet that goes up quite a bit.

It's also noticeable that McCain is a shadow of himself. So who will really be running the show? Rove?

Maybe they are pissed that Big Oil is making out at the expense of everybody else? Maybe they are finally getting it that no regulation is actually a bad idea???

Whatever it is, I hope it keeps up. Is long as the race isn't too close then the Repubs can't "cage" and otherwise cheat their way to a win.

It is sad that they didn't do this for Bush's second term bid. By then it should have been obvious how disastrous he was.

[Teacher in SC]

73. What are you smoking?

I haven't seen any of this. Quite the contrary.

[dkf]

74. I think every reporter now realizes they are more qualified to be President than Sarah Palin.

And they are scared out of their wits at the thought.

This isn't about lying...its about saving the country.

[Imagevision]

75. YouTube is especially exposing the lies of McCain -> link

McCain's YouTube Problem Just Became a Nightmare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c&feature=related

[BlooInBloo]

77. Back to your bridge.

[Frank Booth]

78. Were you hibernating in March and April?

[quakerboy]

79. Umm

No. Ive never seen anyone get the horrible fluff thrown at them that McCain gets. I'm sure that the sheer softness of it will absolutely ruin his day...

[TheKentuckian]

81. This? This a pinprick...merely a scratch.

McCain is getting no truly rough time at all compared to his blatant and outspoken lies and outright shenanigans.

How in the world is he not simply all was up? This campaign is easily the worst piece of trash that I've ever seen. It's disrespectful to the office, the principles of democracy, the nation, and disgustingly so to the American People.
McCain and Palin are literally making a mockery of the entire process, the Constitution, and America.

That is more than ENOUGH...Take them down!