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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 06:28 PM
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Implosion of McCain Campaign reflects HRC Campaign vs. Obama
I'd first like to say this is not an HRC Campaign bash.

There have been several posts on this board that have been niggling me to post the similarities between the HRC Campaign and the McCain Campaign versus the Obama Campaign.

The most recent one here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7054544

But this is also followed not only by articles posted by comments posted by DUers about what their hearing from family, friends, or acquaintances who are Repub to the core and now want to know more about Obama or plan to vote Obama in the future. Or even go as far as not to vote but wouldn't mind voting for Obama.

What has come to my attention when I see the downfall and public reprimand of the Repub campaign not only by MSM, but even Republican media, or Republicans themselves be them citizenry or politicians this is can also be seen in what happened in how the HRC campaign was run and the comments she was getting from other Dems and Repubs and the citizenry or media.

The most striking was the usage of sexism. When HRC was seeing a progressive downfall in her numbers, and the countless misleading/lieing messages she sent out to the media and the people she throws out sexism. This is not to say that sexism wasn't involved. I'll be the first to say that MSM was excessively sexist to her, however this was from the moment the woman decided to run she was getting smacked in the face with it. Which was the same for racism and a sort of "reverse" sexism for Obama during his campaign; also by the media and a lot of the citizenry. However, he never used the race card in his campaign nor complained of it. Yet, HRC used it towards the final run of her campaign.

This is reflected once again with the addition of Gov. Palin on the Repub Ticket by the McCain campaign. It's almost similar, and also doesn't seem to be working for McCain in any way. Palin has opened the door to take the hit like any other politicians as she was supposed too from the beginning. I'm thankful for that. Yet, just the same this is the case.

More minor issues is the dirty, lieing, and misleading adverts that the McCain campaign is fully funding which you do not see from Obama who has actually taken that one step to say family is not involved and he won't play that game of throwing out dirt or misinterpretting McCain's words. He will take McCain on his full statements and use that, as well as McCain's mistaken views on politics. HRC's Campaign was doing something very similar. We have Obama dressed in Muslim attire which was of course to increase the fear mongering and promote on the Obama is a Muslim thing which was countlessly debunked if the church scandal didn't fix that alone. Plus it showed a sort of racism towards Muslims themselves and how that can be used as a weapon by politicans and the media to build resentments between American people. On a side I would love to sue the media for that.

Then we have the issues of religious faith and HRC's choice of wording, ditto for the election. While the McCain hasn't said much on that, they have blatantly lied in their adverts, misquoted Obama, and thrown Obama's words at him so they can have useless ammunition...I'm sure "pigs and lips" rings a bell.

While there are people who long for Obama to take the low rode and attack the McCain camp with all his ammunition, and he has plenty of it, what people aren't realizing is that Obama with the help of Axelrod and Burton is basically aiding in the implosion, self-destruction of the McCain campaign. Because the exact methodology that was used so effectively on HRC is being used on McCain and it's working.

Let's not mistake that McCain is also helping that along himself with wrong moves, paticularly pissing off the media and having the most inept Veep on his ticket.

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samuraiguppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 06:34 PM
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1. yes Mcjerk is
following Hillary down the path to certain defeat.
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 06:37 PM
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2. good post, I hope you are correct..
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 06:48 PM
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6. I hope so too...it's just something I've been reflecting on more and more. n/t
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 06:38 PM
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3. Since Mark Penn is the Boss of McCain's Campaign Manager
Do you imagine they talk to each other and take tips?

Notice Mark Penn's latest little blurp about the Press being too hard on Palin.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 06:40 PM
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4. I find this post divisive at this time.
regardless of your intentions.

Sorry, but it had to be said.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 06:48 PM
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5. How so? I'm showing some similarities in the dynamic of the campaigns. n/t
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 06:52 PM
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9. As a Hillary supporter during the primaries, this post
Just reminds me of the extreme anti-Hillary bias that existed here duringthe primaries despite the fact that this is supposed to be the DEMOCRATIC Underground, and Hillary Clinton is a DEMOCRAT. Now you are comparing her campaign to McCain's?

Why are you reactivating this conflict?
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 07:00 PM
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13. Please. I'm comparing McCain's Campaign to HRC's. Not the two people.
I was a HRC supporter after Edwards dropped out before I was an Obama supporter. Further more, I wasn't here for the drama between Obama supporters and HRC supporters. My statement is based on objective perusal of the issues from what I know of the primaries and what I'm seeing in between the Obama camp and the McCain camp.

I realize you're hyper sensitive to the situations that happened in the past and there's nothing I can do for that. However, my post is not insulting HRC or her campaign, it's to show the moves she made that many have said resulted in the collapse of her win.

If there is problem with my post I find that it's due to your own issues with how the primaries ended. I've been done with the emotions in the primaries and focusing on the present but also recognizing in campaign runs not in the candidates.

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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 07:33 PM
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17. Then maybe you should compare Obama to Hillary now since Obama is trailing
McCain in the polls.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 07:39 PM
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18. Look at post # 11 and 15.
Secondly, YOU're now making it an issue of HRC/Obama resentment. My post was no where near speaking on that. But whatever. My post was focusing directly on Campaigns and I can honestly say that I don't think HRC liked a lot of the decisions by her advisors but followed through with them. McCain seems to be rehearsing talking points and also I get the impression his advisors are forcing on him things that he's not cool with. For example the Palin thing, when it was rumored quite heavily that he seemed to prefer Lieberman or Pawlenty.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 07:05 PM
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14. I'm sorry the history of her campaign is as it is too. Doesn't mean it's verboten to talk about it..
Especially if there's a similarity to a current, relevant campaign. In that case, there's a possible learning opportunity. Just because you hitched your horse to that campaign doesn't mean we should use lessons from it.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 08:07 PM
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19. Half agree
I think the OP was not trying to analyze the McCain campaign, not reignite conflict, but should have taken account of the fact that not everyone would agree with that analysis of the Clinton campaign. Agree with you that we really should be pretty clear these days about being a unified party and remembering that what matters is this fall, not last spring.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 06:51 PM
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8. Maybe so, but ya gotta admit that they picked up right where the Clinton campaign left off....
the race-baiting, the false-cries of sexism, the lies, etc.

Just because it's not complimentary to Clinton doesn't mean there isn't an interesting dynamic to think about.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 06:49 PM
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7. So much for solidarity!
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 06:55 PM
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10. Is this to say that I'm not being unifying? I'm not trying to resurrect any issues.
All I'm saying is that there are similarities in the Campaigns and I see nothing wrong with being truthful on the matter. Nothing I've said is in anyway bashing, I'm just recognizing the issues.

I think people are being way too sensitive since the primaries are over and I'm not even ridiculing HRC for her campaign run. But what the media did to HRC's campaign is exactly; maybe even times two, to what they're doing to McCain based on how they run their campaign.
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Diamonique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 06:55 PM
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11. I have to disagree.
When Hillary decided to use the "kitchen sink" strategy, she started winning more primaries, not losing.

But it was too late. By then Obama had racked up enough delegates that it didn't matter.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 06:59 PM
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12. I think McCain's problem is that he has to go beyond where Hillary
went.....so he just ends up looking extremely desperate. Remember that Obama wasn't ready to slash and destroy another Democrat like he may be willing to against a Republican...especially one who is telling so many lies. That's why I don't see McCain getting anywhere with his tactics....no matter what worked for Hil.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 07:06 PM
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15. You're right we're not in state wins. But put poll jumps in the place of state wins.
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 07:07 PM by vaberella
That is if we compare McCain's moves in the polls to HRC's moves in the state wins.

There is even a thread on this board with an individual predicts that Obama will win the election for Presidency but McCain will win the popular vote.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6998401

There are a few other ones as well.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 07:26 PM
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16. McSmears numbers are all up.
Dirty works. Smears work. Having CorpMedia at your side helps a lot too. We keep fooling ourselves every four years about these simple facts. Can Obama turn it around? I guess we will find out. Donate. We have to buy all of our air time, they get most of theirs for free.
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mccain_pwned Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 08:25 PM
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20. Please Cease and desist! Let's not be reminded....
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 08:26 PM by mccain_pwned
of the putrid cess pool that DU became during the primaries.

"Racist this. Racist that!"

It was ugly and more closely resembled Free Republic than anything else.

Please stop this primary rehash.
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