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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:29 AM
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Karl Rove's advice t o Democrats...
Stop attacking Palin and stop attacking McCain.
Just heard him of Fux News sunday say it.
So that is your que Dem's you know what to do.
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:30 AM
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1. Yep keep attacking McCain and Palin.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:36 AM
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2. And harder.
MUCH harder, please.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:40 AM
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4. And he said that we should concentrate of Obama
And why he is ready to lead.
Talk about an obvious attempt to turn the focus away from McPalin.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:48 AM
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8. No... Keep attacking The McCain Campaign and McCain.... stop
using her name!! When she lies, say it's the McCain Campaign that is lying!!
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:38 AM
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3. Karl Rove's math showed the GOP retaining Congress in 2006
Karl Rove swore that Bush would take New Jersey in 2004
Karl Rove swore that Bush was competitive in California in 2000.

He "creates an alternative reality."

We see how far such amoral sophistry has gotten this country.

If Rove is giving advice, do the opposite. He's terrified that the Liar Argument is catching on, and that McCain is losing his only possible strength in this election.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:47 AM
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7. You got it Al
And it also provides a cover for any stolen election.
But he made a mistake in 2006. He underestimated turnout and his puny efforts to steal it did not work in a lot of campaigns, and they lost the Senate and lost in the house.
That must be our strategy now to have a massive tun out to thwart any attempt to steal.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:44 AM
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5. Lyn's advice to KKKarl Rove - Kiss My Democratic Grits!! nt
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:45 AM
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6. Diversion. He knows we won't follow his advice. But ..
Edited on Sun Sep-14-08 09:47 AM by kayell
he probably hopes we'll keep attacking Palin* (yes, I admit I was seriously Roved by this) because she's such an obvious and obnoxious target. Any time spent attacking Palin is time and energy diverted from the main target - McCain.

McCain can't run on the issues. He's got major problems if we focus on the economy, if we focus on his willingness to take us into more wars.

Palin is polarizing, she's a horrible, horrible person, but she was picked for that. We need to ignore her (I know how hard this is) and target the head - McCain.


*notice how he mentioned Palin first. That's where he wants us to focus. (yes, I'm thumping my head repeatedly over this):banghead:



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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:49 AM
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11. Attack McCain, ignore Palin. nt
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:55 AM
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13. Don't get so caught up in reverse psychology
Because this is not only about what we should do, or not do,it is also a cover story for a McSame win.
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Obamarulz11 Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:48 AM
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9. Why is KKKarl Rove still a free man??
Oregon Democratic Site

He corrupted Alabama politics, blackballed Don Siegelman and much more

We've never covered Alabama politics here at BlueOregon before, but tonight I heard one of the most chilling stories I've heard in a long time. And it sheds some light on what happened in the Klamath River basin in Oregon in 2002.

On 60 Minutes, Scott Pelley reported on the indictment and conviction of Alabama Governor Don Siegelman. According to their reporting, Governor Siegelman - a Democrat - was targeted by Karl Rove and the Bush Administration's Justice Department because he was a Democrat in Alabama that couldn't be beat.

One of my silly little pastimes is assembling lists of potential presidential candidates 8 and 12 years out. A popular and articulate Democratic governor of Alabama? You bet. Siegelman was on my list.

So, what was he convicted of? Bribery. But the charge is so outrageous and the prosecution so politically motivated, says 60 Minutes, that 52 former state attorneys general across the country - of both parties - have asked Congress to investigate the Bush Administration's actions.

What was the "bribery" in this case? According to a Siegelman aide, who himself went to prison for extortion, Siegelman accepted a $250,000 campaign contribution to a ballot measure he was sponsoring - and in exchange put the donor on an important state board. As 60 Minutes notes, that's an astonishingly loose definition of "bribery". More than that, the story was too "vivid" to be true -- the check was cut days after the star witness said it had been. And the prosecution never turned over the interview notes that would have undermined the witness, as required by discovery rules.

The prosecutor? Leura Canary, a Bush-appointed US Attorney for Alabama, whose husband Bill Canary is a leading GOP political consultant in Alabama - and a "close associate" of Karl Rove.

Grant Woods, a former GOP Attorney General of Arizona who is among those asking Congress to investigate, told 60 Minutes:

"I haven't seen a case with this many red flags on it that pointed towards a real injustice being done. ... I personally believe that what happened here is that they targeted Don Siegelman because they could not beat him fair and square. This was a Republican state and he was the one Democrat they could never get rid of."
Outrageous.

This Alabama story puts a whole new light on the allegations that Karl Rove and Dick Cheney intervened to overrule Interior scientists and force water to be diverted from the Klamath River. That move helped Gordon Smith win his 2002 re-election campaign - though it caused tens of thousands of fish to die, and costing Oregon's fisheries industry over $60 million.

http://www.blueoregon.com/2008/02/the-alabama-gov.html
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:04 AM
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16. Thanks for that clear and concise description of the Signalman
case;
If that is true, and have no doubt that it is, it is criminal with out a doubt.
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bobd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:49 AM
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10. Never heed your enemies' advice
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:51 AM
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12. Advice to Karl Rove: Move to a country with no extradition treaty with the USA, you FUCKING TRAITOR
Rove deserves nothing less than to be blindfolded and lined up against a wall. Traitor justice for a poor excuse of a human being.

J
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:55 AM
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14. That's eerily in line with many DUers' advice to Democrats.
Edited on Sun Sep-14-08 10:00 AM by BlooInBloo
EDIT: Subject typo.
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Poseidan Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 09:56 AM
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15. Rove's Advice
Stick to your own strategies, do not let Rove influence you. If you play his game, you've already lost.
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:25 AM
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17. do the opposite of whatever he says!!
rove sucks!
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:27 AM
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18. When Giuliani stops slamming Obama, we'll think about it. /nt
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