If We are the Ones We have been Waiting For, then I'm Terrified !

[FrenchieCat]

Because what I see is that:

We criticize corporate media and Cable, but we keep watching closely hoping that they will change their tune, which they rarely do (did you see Anderson Cooper standing in the water with his hip-waders again, yesterday? meaning the shit is gonna stay the same.)

We say we don't believe in polls, but we post them as soon as they come out; multiple times, and panic over them.

We don't do media push back as often as we should, because we don't believe it makes a difference, although it has shown to work....but why bother.

When it is the Republicans who have the money, and the ground game.....we are afraid.

When it is the Democrats who have the money, the ground game, and even the issues, we are afraid.

We are renowned experts at criticizing our own (and that includes me with this OP....LOL!)

We have evidence that media and GOP operatives use information from our Blogs, but we post like they couldn't possibly be reading and using what we write against us.

Although we claim to know how to win an election, few of us really know what in the fuck we are talking about.

When an evident freeper posts some insane shit, he gets 101 responses before the thread is locked.

When a clear thinking DUer posts some fantastic news, the thread sinks after 10 replies, 2 of them being post kicks from sane DUer Op writer.

When something negative happens to our side, we post about that one thing in 55 different ways.

When something negative happens to their side, we immediately determine that it won't make a damn bit of difference again this time.

We like to write on blogs, but don't like to write to newspapers, or respond to the author of negative press stories.

We have no patience and want instant results about everything....and we want it right now!

We have more confidence in Karl Rove's editorials, than we do in the nominee of our party.

We assume that most voters are stupid except for us.

We post everything that the Right Wing says, as though spreading their tripe will help us win.

We demoralize each other instead of working to demoralize the opposition.

We have no faith that we can make a difference, although we could, and we have.

We say we understand Psyche ops, but yet we don't use it to benefit ourselves.

We Fight Freepers that come here, but we seldom dare venture and post our shit there.

We say we care about the real issues, but we don't post much on the real issues.

We say this election shouldn't be about personalities, but then post what the National Enquirer has published.

We say that this election shouldn't be about race, but then post every negative observation about race and stress how much it will matter as often as we can.

We listen to Sunday Talk shows, and react as though those pundits are the boss of us.

In other words, if we are what we have been waiting for, we are truly fucked.

(edited to add - ..."for those who this does not apply, this ain't about you." )

[flamingdem]

Frenchie can you post links to email or phone MSM outlets?

That's something DU can do en masse when needed. (Which is often these days).

[Forkboy]

7. Here's a useful link.

That I think I even got from Frenchie...

You can enter your home zipcode and get all local papers, as well as national papers, so you can write them.

http://www.democrats.org/page/speakout/letterstoeditors?js=false&zip=01420

Hopefully she'll have one for the TV media as well.

[FrenchieCat]

10. There are pages and pages of contacts

in this op I wrote last week: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7029390

Hint: look in the body of the thread......

[flamingdem]

23. Great info

Thanks!

[flamingdem]

25. Frenchie can you repost this at some point?

I can't figure out how to kick it.

[FrenchieCat]

29. Well there are some updates needed in those contact pages.....

as this was done in 2004.

You can always bookmark the thread, but it is too old to reply to.

There is also this link, where you can type in the last name of a reporter or the name of the news organization -- type in CNN, and it will provide the main offices...once you select Atlanta, it will provide the name of anchors and their email information....but it is not always up to date: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/dbq/media/

[TheManInTheMac]

61. You kicked it by replying.

As I am kicking it now:-)

[Forkboy]

1. "We are renowned experts at criticizing our own."

So I see. ;)

[FrenchieCat]

17. Edited the line in the OP to incorporate your wink......

[rzemanfl]

2. In "our" defense, the only thing I can say is that this psyop is

being run by people with a lot of experience. We have to put our fingers in our ears and scream "Bullshit!" at the top of our lungs, then go back to winning this thing.

[azmouse]

3. Once again you've hit the nail on the head.

[glowing]

4. Thanks.. great job.

[blm]

5. The push back against corporate media HAS to come from us and be done CONSISTENTLY...

some Democrats just REFUSE to grasp that simple concept.

I think some are more comfortable with fear and trembling than they are with fighting and exposing these bastards.

[FrenchieCat]

15. Yes it does.

We can impress ourselves and each other, but it is those who are out there that we must communicate with, as much if not more.

I have read many a wonderful stories about the Obama organization and just plain great positive stories DU folks share here....and I sometimes wonder what would happen if those same stories were shared with the news media in the form of LTTEs regularily?

[dchill]

58. Absolutely... CONSISTENTLY...

and in a deluge. It seems to be working.

[Writer]

6. Frenchie, you deserve a gold medal.

Now, if more of us could admit to all that you've written above, we might actually begin to solve a problem or two with our democracy.

Kudos,

~Writer~

[xiamiam]

8. this is the best post ..k and r...a million times if I could...

we could just use this post to get our collective selves together to combat a lot of the nonsense going on in the corporate media...I love you frenchie cat..

[shraby]

9. Recommended another excellent post by

FrenchieCat. Good going!

[seabeyond]

11. i disagree. i did not read all, but just on the first 7, 8, 9

many dont like msm and say it clearly and many arent watching

many dont like or believe the polls and we arent going into the threads or paying attention

we are not afraid afraid afriad even though we have consistent posters putting up the threads.... i am thinking we have little control over all people coming to du and is used to cause problems. as you use terrified as subject

i think your post is feeding the very thing you are criticizing adn a broadbrush, not a truth

[FrenchieCat]

14. It is a broadbrush, certainly.......

But still all in all in terms of tenor, I believe that it is pretty accurate, when one is looking at us from a wide range view.

[seabeyond]

18. when one looks at du from broad view, they see tons of shit not reflecting well on du

cant control it. cant narrow the box to make it look like what we each want..... would never work. what each individual want wont allow it. in essence your post exactly is representative of what you are talking.

you dont like polls, dont go in the thread

get an "i am afraid" thread, .... go in and post on it what bullshit it is and change the tenor of the threads. that is about the only control you have, unless we assign subjects we are allowed to discuss, and write peoples posts for them

[FrenchieCat]

20. Everything you suggest, I do.

You want me to post my threads and posts in where I include the letters that I write...because I can.

I wish I was an example......

but hey, can I be blamed for attempting to sway posters on this board to be more pro-active, less reactionary, and more positive about us? I do hope to God that I can!

[seabeyond]

34. the thing

this very post is creating us less than what we are. the very suggestions you make, make us appear less as a whole, instead of the few, and regardless of their true intentions.

this op sells us out.....

it is not true and indicative of who we are.... yet it makes us appear pathetic, all of us. and it just is not true. you feed, with this post. you create us to be, though not necessarily a truth. you are doing the very thing you criticize.

[FrenchieCat]

37. Possibly I change a few future approaches with this post......

is that in any way a remote possibility?

And if you aren't in line with any of what I have suggested, per the disclaimer on the OP....than this ain't about you.

[seabeyond]

44. so it is ok to make all of us look bad for your goal of a few changed minds.....

hm.....

[seabeyond]

46. btw.... it is all of us looks bad, ..... but you..... teaching, lecturing us to repent

i dont play well with authoritarians of either side. my pet peeve

[FrenchieCat]

49. Well, I welcome your criticism......

and will now agree to disagree with your portrayal.

Lecturing is relative. I hope that even you can see that.

[salonghorn70]

12. What's The Old Pogo Line?

I have seen the enemy and it is us.

:rofl:

[windbreeze]

13. Man, did you nail that down....thank you....n/t

[greyghost]

16. The most important thing that happened this week is that Barack

called McSame a LIAR. He and Joe need to repeat that statement all day, everyday. The MSM can't ignore that statement, they have to prove or disprove it. Guess what? They have to agree because McSame is lying like a rug.

The minute Barack did that he triggered the blow back that will continue to snowball. It's important to continue to beat them over the head with it.

[FrenchieCat]

19. And so we should be writing to the media

and using the word to reinforce what Barack has done.

I wonder if we are doing that....as I don't see many posts where DUer or letting us know what they are writing as a way of encouraging others.

[greyghost]

60. It had very little effect in 2004 because Kerry didn't attack back.

Obama must lead the charge and we can pile on from now to Nov.:)

Personally, I've nailed Wolf Blitzer so many times I've lost count.

[merh]

21. Hey, if you want a link to a fun board to go to

where they are so you can post to them just let me know - it is a mixed board. You do realize that some of us don't fall in the categories you list, don't you? Its a damned shame you did the group lumping thing.

[FrenchieCat]

24. It is filled with generalities......I won't deny it.

so as a disclaimer, I will add..."for those for which this does not apply, this ain't about you."


How's that? :shrug:

[merh]

27. that works

;)

and more folks should go to the mixed boards, it is a good way to vent and to see their desperation. I've never seen so much twisting in all my life on the nets.

:evil:

[jillan]

22. Woohoo Frenchie!

[lonestarnot]

26. K & fucking R!

[Shine]

28. Sorry, I'm not goin' there. Keep the faith. Stay positive. Hold the vision.

:woohoo:

Down with Negativism! :thumbsdown:

I love ya, FrenchieCat, but don't agree w/ ya on this one.

[FrenchieCat]

31. Better now than later.

I am positive in real life....but sometimes, it is DU that can bring me down....which is why I wrote this OP.

I wrote this other piece, and so I understand what you are saying -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6996468

[kayell]

30. Best post today. How about we all take a vow to change this behavior.

I vow to ignore corp media, other than to know what lies to counter.

I vow to post no negative polls, particularly those from known RW organizations.

I vow to write and challenge lies in the media.

I vow to banish fear. If I can't, I will deal with my fear privately rather than pass it on.

I vow not to criticize our candidates until after the election, no matter what.

I vow to keep in mind that these posts are public, and that all kinds of people - media, GOP, Rovians, and simple lurkers are reading.

I vow to stay positive, and to know that Obamas team know a lot more about politics than I do.

I vow not to respond to obvious freeper trolls.

I vow to promote positive, helpful posts.

I vow never to post repeat bad news.

I vow to write 10 letters a week or more to newspapers and other media outlets. I won't let false information stand without challenge in the media.

I vow to be patient, to know that we are still 7 weeks from the election, and to know that if I want results, I need to help make them.

I vow not to get sucked in by Rovian plays.

I vow never to never call other voters stupid. I vow to let voters know that if they were tricked in the past by clever propaganda, it was because they were lied to by people they knew they should have been able to trust. I vow to repeat Obama's phrase "Do they think we're stupid?" whenever faced by Republican lies.

I vow not to post RW talking points.

I vow never to post something that will demoralize our own side.

I vow to always remember that one person can make a difference. I vow to work to make that difference.

(Sorry. I can't vow to venture to freeperville. I have a weak stomach. I vow to give solace and encouragement to those who do.)

I vow to keep my posts from here on focused on real issues, not rovian diversions.

I vow to avoid personal attacks. They do us no good at all. I vow not to buy or post from the National Enquirer. (such an easy vow, at least the NE part.)

I vow to volunteer as many hours as I can each week until the election working for our cause.

I vow to keep it positive and to work constantly for the win.


Anyone else want to join me?

[FrenchieCat]

33. This should be a thread on its own.......

and title it....."What I Wow to do to help win this Election!"

That's a keeper for sure, worth 500 recommendations, at least.

Kudos! :patriot:

[kayell]

36. Thank you. Posted.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7066073

I'd put it up already, but changed title per your suggestion. Thanks.

No kicks so far.... :cry:

I vow to keep these 2 posts up.

[FrenchieCat]

39. Your link doesn't take one to your post.....

You should check it and correct it.

[kayell]

40. Fixed link.

[FrenchieCat]

41. Perhaps it is not "sexy" enough........Maybe if you put "OMG"

in front of the title, folks will not be able to help but look!

[kayell]

42. OMG! This is HUGE !!!!1111!!!!!

:kick:

[FrenchieCat]

43. Sadly yes.

[grantcart]

32. I was quite sanguine about us until I read this lol

just kidding

someday this will be known as "the good old days".

[FrenchieCat]

35. Glad you are saying "good"........

:thumbsup:

[kayell]

38. Kick

:kick:

[emilyg]

45. k/r

[Forkboy]

47. To be honest, I rec'd your OP but have mixed feelings on it.

I rec'd it because I think enough of what you say applies to enough of us to make it worthwhile, but it uses such a broad brush that it comes across, to me anyways, as a kind of "the beatings will continue until morale improves" type of thing.

And people will agree with this OP because much of it is true, but also because agreeing with it makes one able to separate themselves from those you're criticizing.

- edit - meant to reply above to your response to me. I'm out if it today. :crazy:

[FrenchieCat]

48. All of your points are well taken......

but if the tenor on the boards can be altered even just slightly, and if we can have more of us writing to the media than are right now, and if if sways one person to write a positive OP, or not to respond to a negative one....... than I believe that the OP was worth it.

But of course, that is just me.

[Forkboy]

50. You're right if more people take action than take offense.

:toast:

I know it seems like I'm hell bent on disagreeing with you lately, but I really do think you're an awesome DUer. :)

[FrenchieCat]

52. I know that I can rely on your honesty.......

and so for that, I appreciate what you have to say. :pals:

[dchill]

51. Check this out, FrenchieCat:

MSNBC caves again...this time to me Hotlist

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/13/19930/3658

It's not all bad. :)

[kayell]

53. Cool. Proof that one person CAN make a difference.

Every single time one of us make a little bit of difference like this we win another voter (or many more) or immunize them against the lies.

[FrenchieCat]

55. Yes WE can!

That's the operative phrase...

And if we are the ones that we are waiting for, then we should have been worth the wait.....and the time is NOW!

[FrenchieCat]

54. Excellent!

That is what this election needs from the many keyboard commandos (including yours truly); ACTION!

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

56. We endlessly preach to the choir here inside this underground shelter

but we don't get out there to face people who may not agree with us but who we need to convince if we're going to win.

This is not a knock on your post, FrenchieCat; I like this call to action on your part. It's maybe an extension of your point: "We like to write on blogs, but don't like to write to newspapers, or respond to the author of negative press stories" and your point: "We Fight Freepers that come here, but we seldom dare venture and post our shit there."

Since time is very precious, it would probably make sense using it to reach people outside of this Democratic-friendly place than to spend our energies agreeing with each other or disagreeing over minor points. This is a self-criticism on my part and perhaps a knock on what I suspect is going on with a certain number of DUers: too much political masturbation and not enough real intercourse.

[FrenchieCat]

62. I agree.....

some of us take the comfortable easy route, and honestly attempt to make believe that we are doing all that we can.

Getting out of one's comfort zone is when one knows they are doing something....or doing things in triplicate, like writing 3 letters instead of just one.

I hate Phone banking with a passion, but I do it because I know that if everyone did only what the "like" doing, things wouldn't be any different from how they have always been.

SO yes, now is the time for us to do whatever it is that we really would rather not do....whatever that is.

[bridgit]

57. Ding! "We say we understand Psyche ops, but yet we don't use it to benefit ourselves."

Pithy list and oh so true :thumbsup:

[AZBlue]

59. Another excellent FrenchieCat post!!!!!!!!

This is my biggest pet peeve: We don't do media push back as often as we should, because we don't believe it makes a difference, although it has shown to work....but why bother.

As you well know... ;)

[FrenchieCat]

63. As yes, you know I do.