Someone tell Joe Biden to STOP TALKING ABOUT MCCAIN HAVING INTEGRITY

[geek tragedy]

Jesus. Just know in NC, he did it again.

Joe, you're enabling his sleazy, dishonest campaign.

Cut it out.

[dkf]

1. Yes, he needs to stop that. Its cutting into his own credibility.

[enough]

2. I don't get it. This false politeness starts to seem dishonest. I do not understand

why he's still doing it.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

5. Don't hear McSame-Palin saying how Obama and Biden are

friends with McSame.

As Bill Maher says they need to go medieval on their asses.

[w4rma]

59. False politeness IS dishonest. People don't trust people who do that.

Biden is undermining his own credibility. This is part of the reason why he lost the primaries so badly.

[DJ13]

3. Both he and Obama need to recognize the McCain they knew is dead

He's been replaced by a Rove puppet, he's no longer the guy they think he is.

[marylanddem]

4. Damn it - Shut up with this crap, Biden. Don't fuck it up for Obama

[Abugface]

6. I agree

All of this "integrity" and "I honor his service" talk needs to stop - it is really harmful and dilutes the message. I love Joe, but it's time for both Sen. Biden and Sen. Obama to STOP this kind of talk!

[gateley]

7. He also said, and cited why, McCain just doesn't GET it.

Joe has always respected the person, and attacked the policies.

Besides, if Obama wanted him to stop talking about McCain, he would.

[geek tragedy]

9. You can't say McCain has integrity and then say he's

lying his ass off during this campaign.

Does not compute.

[Owl]

10. Exactly.

[Hansel]

14. Exactly. nt

[1corona4u]

17. Not in your pea brain anyway....

those of us who are thinkers get it.

[geek tragedy]

21. So, is McCain a man of integrity or is he lying his ass off

on the campaign trail?

Which is it?

[gateley]

18. Well I actually agree with another poster that Obama and Biden don't

"know" the new real McCain.

And I'm in agreement - he could just say "you all know I consider John a friend, BUT..." and leave it at that.

[BattyDem]

8. They both need to stop praising McCain for his integrity and honorable service.

Hey guys ... stop running against a POW and start running against a lying SOB!

[catgirl]

11. He's making a strong point that McCain is WRONG

Like him, or not, he's wrong. Biden SHOULD keep talking about it!

[Phx_Dem]

12. Obama and Biden both honor McCain's service before

criticizing him. In light of the new DFA POW ad that is now running in battleground states, I think it's probably a good for Biden and Obama to keep it up. They should let the 527s do the really dirty ads (just the Republicans always do), and stick to criticizing him on the issues not his personality (what little he has).

[geek tragedy]

16. He's not talking about McCain's service.

He's talking about his "integrity."

McCain's entire campaign strategy is based on LYING. If people think John McCain is telling the truth, we're fucked.

He was a terrible choice.

[gateley]

41. How could you watch that speech, and claim he was a terrible choice?

You might not agree with his statements on McCain, but do you discount that Biden brought home the topics that matter? Do you disagree that he got that crowd energized? Do you think he wasn't there fighting for all of us?

[1corona4u]

23. Exactly. Some people just don't think things through, as

evidenced by this topic.

[slinkerwink]

48. most low-information voters don't think things through

"Okay, Biden says McCain is a good guy and he has integry. Time for me to change the channel."

[1corona4u]

13. How many fucking times does someone have to explain this to you..

The REASON he does that is so people will KNOW that HE knows JOHN well enough to assure the PEOPLE that HE(JOE)is right about John. It also always comes right BEFORE he slams John, by saying that John is WRONG. It's a fucking tactic. Get over it. IF there are people in the audience, who are undecided, they will take it better when he slams John, BECAUSE HE KNOWS HIM.

I think Joe makes it very clear that there are PROFOUND differences in their policies.

If you don't like it, stop listening to it.

[geek tragedy]

19. You can't have the campaign accuse McCain of lying and

then have Biden talk about how McCain doesn't tell lies.

Got it?

[AuntPatsy]

54. He never said mcbush did not lie, there is a difference, using the word integrity is a non issue

he is simply attempting to show respect for a man he has known a long time even if he does have a personal problem with what he has done of late, its very hard to totaly turn on someone you once thought of as friend in the fashion it seems you would like him too, he is doing just what he should and I wouldn't worry that he is hurting Obama in any way shape or form...you seem to worry a lot these days..

[geek tragedy]

58. What kind of candidate praises the integrity of an opponent who

constantly lies and smears him?

Answer: a loser.

[AuntPatsy]

62. I beg to differ, its politics and like it or not, he is doing the right thing...

and I for one heavily disagree that Joe Biden is even close to being labled a loser..as I stated before, you seem to worry quite a bit....

[progressive_realist]

15. He needs to change his message to...

"McCain USED to have integrity." As many political commentators have been pointing out this week, McCain seems willing to lose his soul in order to win the election. Even Rove has rebuked McCain for resorting to blatant lies in his ads.

[iamjoy]

20. Say What John Kerry Said

I LOVED John Kerry's speech at this last convention - when he talked about Senator McCain and candidate McCain like they were two different people. This is what we need to do. It's respectful, but drives home the point that McCain is not consistent in character and that he will do anything to win - including abandoning (or only paying lip service to) some of his most deeply held principles.

[Mz Pip]

22. It dilutes the message

in this short attention span world. All some people hear is "John McCain is a man of integrity." and then stop listening.

We don't need to advertize for him. We should be in this to win as much as they are and you will never hear "Barack Obama is a man of intergrity" coming out of the lips of any Republican.

[RichardRay]

24. Let's see: Joe Biden has won 6 consecutive senate races,

and served since 1973. Your performance record is...?

I think I'll stick with Joe for the time being.

[1corona4u]

28. Good point, I bet he even built Boggs up, before he beat his ass

35 years ago.

[geek tragedy]

29. He's been a train wreck when running for President.

Sorry, but this is just stupid politics. People wonder why we lose. They lie about us and smear us, and then we turn around and talk about how they always tell the truth.

Fuck. that.

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[RichardRay]

36. And just how many times has he run for President?

Not sought the nomination, actually 'run for President' and had a 'train wreck'?

[geek tragedy]

56. He flamed out in 1988 and never made it past

Iowa in 2008.

[FrenchieCat]

25. Why don't you just email the campaign....

and stop fucking screaming on this board.......

Damn, do cut that shit out!

[AndyA]

26. Um...Joe...John McCain is lying.

Is that a trait of integrity? I thought having integrity meant you told the truth, even if it wasn't always the best thing for you, personally.

So...how can McCain be a man of integrity when he's lying to the American people.

We've had a liar in the White House for 8 years. He lied to start a war. He lied about outing a covert CIA agent. He lied about the economy being good. It seems every time he opens his mouth he lies.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

You can be civil, Joe, but don't put your integrity on the line by saying things about McCain that simply aren't true.

[geek tragedy]

27. Delete

[Nikki Stone1]

30. Why does Biden feel the need to compliment Mr. Keating Five?

Anyone?

[1corona4u]

32. See my answer above.

I've posted it about 10 times now, and even the OP has read it before. But it's more important to start another shitstorm about it.

[Nikki Stone1]

38. Which one?

Give me a post #.

[polichick]

31. Call the campaign at [phone] or Biden's office at [phone]

[eleny]

33. It's a campaign not the floor of the Senate

[CakeGrrl]

35. I agree, they need to drop the deference to his character

UNLESS they start framing it in the past tense.

Or maybe this is a Democratic psy-op: induce cognitive dissonance by mentioning McCain's "integrity" while people see more and more flat-out lying approved by McCain. If that's the tack, I think it's risky, but then I remind myself that Team Obama probably has a strategy in place. It's just hard to watch McSame/Mooseburger catching ANY undeserved breaks.

[yy4me]

37. I agree, It is time to stop with the integrity, the straight- talk stuff

and especially the hero stuff.

With due respect, the hero talk is ancient history. Although the service was admirable, it is not one of the qualifications for President. I think all the goody two-shoes stuff should end or the Dems will be thanking the rethugs for their loss.

Now is the time to be fighting back and charging forward, not kissy-kissy.

Both Obama and Biden need to pump up their words. Keep it clean but hit them hard.

No other way.

Most of us are done with living in fear that the Dems will blow it and the next four years will be worse than these last 8.
I wouldn't mind not hearing one more word about mcsame's pow status.

[Abugface]

43. Be careful

some folks here are feeling pretty testy tonight. Kind of like a McCain temper tantrum.

[1corona4u]

44. Dupe

[1corona4u]

45. Maybe SOME of us are tired of the BULLSHIT

comments regarding, not just Joe, but BOTH of our candidates. As if they all know better.

Let them run the campaign the way they want!! If Obama is ok with it, then so be it.

[inthebrain]

64. Are you taking the Brittany Spears position here?

We should just have faith in them?

That's not gonna work. Look, I respect your passion for Biden but this is absurd. McCain/Palin have been lying through their teeth about the lipstick on a pig comment as well as the bridge to nowhere. Those guys have no integrity at all.

They should be hammered for not having any.

[saltpoint]

39. Biden is showing respect to a man he later plans to bludgeon to bits with

logic and reason.

It's a protocol observed in olden times when worthy adversaries met on a debate stage. Biden extends the same protocol even though he is likely superior to both McCain and Palin put together on the issues.

Fear not, for he brings us tidings of significant electoral college uplift.

[Imagevision]

40. Joe Biden, you've already shown Mccain respect now get on with "it"

[mzmolly]

42. "HAD" integrity.

HAD...

[slinkerwink]

46. CALL THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN AT [phone]

and press 6 to talk to a live volunteer.

[polichick]

47. The campaign overestimates voters - the message has to stay SIMPLE...

When Joe and Barack praise McCain, it confuses people ~ they don't get why they shouldn't vote for someone who's so "honorable" with such "integrity."

[goodgd_yall]

51. Exactly! n/t

[polichick]

60. I just emailed this message - maybe if enough of us comment, it'll sink in.

[goodgd_yall]

61. I just emailed too.

The message was similar to your thoughts.

[polichick]

63. Oh good - at least we did something...

:toast:

[northernlights]

49. I AGREE 100%

Please Joe, stop dissembling. McCain has NO INTEGRITY LEFT.

I have no doubt what happened to him, after he won the primary. The neocons probably gave him a choice: do as we say and we'll crown you king. don't do as we say, and you'll wish you were back at the Hanoi Hilton. Seriously. I wouldn't put it past them to rendition him and use that as a way to terrorize the nation into submission.

But he threw what integrity he once had away, bit by bit. And he chucked the whole lot of it with his win at all costs campaign.

[goodgd_yall]

50. That and

Obama should not have said that bit about small town mayors, which bolsters the Republican line that Palin has enough experience. I wish they both would stop saying good things about either McCain or Palin, whether it's direct or indirect.

[City Lights]

52. *Sigh*

I don't get why our side always has to compliment their side before speaking the unflattering truth about them. Frankly, they're not worthy of any sort of compliment, and they're not worthy of our respect.

Take the fucking gloves off and just tell it like it is, Joe!

[EC]

53. This is what you do when

527's are gearing up to hit character...

[geek tragedy]

57. KARL ROVE called McCain a liar.

If Karl Rove can say that McCain is lying, Joe Biden can stop shoveling coal for the Straight Talk Express.

[EC]

68. Karl Rove must have said it for a reason

and I'm not sure what it is, but I'm sure we'll see the spin soon...

[npincus]

55. PAST TENSE.... maybe he had integrity, but not anymore... Joe should stop now.

[tilsammans]

65. Any "integrity" McCain had . . .

. . . is long gone.

Joe, please take notice!

:kick:

[jillan]

66. Hey - if you don't like Biden - there's always Palin.

[geek tragedy]

67. She's done more politically for McCain

than Biden has for Barack.