Obama has never stood up and fought against his party..

[Wetzelbill]

but John McCain has.

I hear that a lot. McCain often uses a version of it himself.

Sure John McCain has fought against his party, mostly in the past, and Barack Obama votes with the Dems on almost all issues.

But here is the different. John McCain used to break with his party when they wanted to do something that was either bad legislation or a generally a terrible idea. Now, McCain embraces those bad policies.

Obama doesn't fight agains the Dems on most issues because Dems are right about them. Why would you stand up and fight against good policy? Just to do it? That's stupid.

All you have to do is look at the GOP track record on health care, the economy etc etc and compare that to the Dems record. It's not even close. Dems win by a landslide. Compare the last 8 years of Bush to the previous 8 years of Clinton and let's have an argument about which policies are wrong or right or which ones work or don't work.

Obama knows good policy, so he doesn't fight against it, McCain wanted to get elected so he embraced the worst policies our country has ever had. When it counted, he folded.

[and-justice-for-all]

1. McBush is not the same person he was in the 80s

and early 90s. Why is a majority of the neocon base hesitant to vote for him? Because he was too librul. He about face isn't fooling everybody, he started kissing shrub's during his first term. Now, he is the mirrors truth to failed leadership and a train wreck of foreign policy.

[FrenchieCat]

2. Fighting for the sake of Fighting doesn't mean anything other than

one likes to fight. That's what is true about McCain....he enjoys being ornery. That's not a virtue, last I checked.

[goletian]

3. yeah but he didnt vote like bush, thats what matters...

[sandnsea]

4. Just goes to show who's been wrong

If John McCain has been fighting the Republicans along with Barack Obama - then why in the world do we want to elect any more Republicans?

[opihimoimoi]

5. That FOOL is so dumb ....he doesn't realize it...whas it called? Cognizant Dissonance

Frustrated and angry...he is lashing out...then, in a fit to be tied, he choses Palin knowing she comes with baggage...but hoping she somehow muddles through...with help of course....seems to be working....for now.....

But the Filter Force is finding more and more Negs in her picture....so much so....now its the Pubs turn to worry

No Choice but to risk prison in attempt to steal/rig election through devious means,,,these are not true Christians...they will steal....

[Lasher]

6. Clouding the issue.

McSame is trying to distance himself from Junior, but that dog don't hunt.



So now it's like, 'Oh yeah, well Obama voted with his party too.' Well, Obama can support his party and at the same time be an agent of change. McSame can not. Obama Democrat. McSame Republican. Get it?

[truthisfreedom]

7. Pfft. The Democratic Party has always had fantastic ideas. The rethugs have always been full of sh

it.

FUCK the republikan party and the lobbyists they rode in on.

[Jim Lane]

8. Obama did fight his own party on tort reform -- he was wrong but he wasn't a lockstep Dem

The bill made it harder for injured victims to bring class actions. It was approved by the Senate on February 10, 2005. The Democratic Party leadership in the Senate (Reid and Durbin) opposed it, and most of the Democrats, including Biden, joined the leadership in voting No. All the Republicans voted Yes (except for two who were absent). Obama joined the Republicans (and some other Dems) in supporting the bill.

This was a bad bill. I'm disappointed that Obama supported it. Still, it was an instance of his going against the majority of the party. The Republicans often adopt Dan Quayle's line of attack that the Democrats are subservient to the trial lawyers, who fiercely opposed this bill, so Obama was going against them, also.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

9. Obama doesn't need to fight his party ...

... we can do that to ourselves. With or without his help. (Remember the primary? The impeachment of GWB?)
:rofl:
He just needs to focus on fighting the Republicans right now. And their 527 minions.
:hi:

[Wetzelbill]

11. So what, are you saying I'm wrong?

You're just a DINO!!!1

:rofl:

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

15. Moi? DINO?

Dean Martin? I don't drink enough, and I can't sing at all.

Dinosaur? Yeah, maybe, a little fossilized perhaps.

As for democrats vs democrats, you brought up health care. We got democrats who support health insurance, democrats who denounce health insurance (in favor of gov't paid / single payer / socialized medicine). If anything starts to look like we're actually doing something about health care, there will be tons of blood on the Democratic side of the aisle even before the Republicans wade into the fray. Ammunition will be amply supplied by insurers and "big pharma".

Universal health care is the end of medicine as we know it. Or, it's one thing that will help us join the league of civilized and humatitarian nations. I'm thinking it's the latter. If we were running someone with Kucinich's view of health care, I'd be even more "D" (and less "INO", haha).

:hi:

[99th_Monkey]

10. Nevermind that Obama's entire Primary campaign was waged against fellow Dems, against all odds ...

and Barack ended up becoming the standard bearer for the Democratic party.

Is that not "standing up and fighting" ones own party?? Not to grandstand as
some "maverick" so he could use it as a campaign gimmick, but to put his life
on the line literally to save his country from the consequences of Bush policies
-- with lots of help from McCain's voting with Bush 90% of the time.

PS - Some parties deserve to be "stood up to" more than others as well..

[Bonn1997]

12. Obama Fought His Party On the Biggest Issue of Our Generation

the Iraq invasion.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

13. Who will stand against their party more is a right wing talking point

And a rather bizarre one. George Stephanopoulis loyally pushed this meme on This Week last week.

What I find amusing, is that by pushing this point as a good thing, Republicans are just admitting that most of the time they are full of shit and anyone in their right mind WOULD oppose them.

Logic alone tells us that Obama would not be in opposition as much.

[Democat]

14. Fighting against Obama's party = agreeing with Bush!

Why would Obama want to agree with Bush? That's McCain's job.

[Peacetrain]

16. Obama, running for senator fought his party who were voting to go to war..McCain lies again

~!sigh~