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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 02:58 AM
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WAPO Article: Familiar Ground May Be Election's Deciding Factor
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/14/AR2008091402587.html?hpid=topnews

Familiar Ground May Be Election's Deciding Factor

By Dan Balz and Peter Slevin
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, September 15, 2008; A01

When the general election began a few months ago, Barack Obama's advisers talked optimistically about dramatically redrawing the electoral map. Their optimism remains, but as the campaign heads into its final 50 days, strategists for both parties say the election is likely to be decided on mostly familiar ground.

As in the past two campaigns, four big states -- Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio and Florida -- are expected to dominate the attention of the candidates. Democrats won the first two in both 2000 and 2004; Republicans won the other two both times.

Additionally, there will be battles in a group of smaller states now seen by the campaigns as most vulnerable to shifting sides. Five states that went for President Bush in 2004 are now high on the list of potential Obama states: Iowa, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada and Virginia. Two states that went for Sen. John F. Kerry are top targets of McCain's campaign: Wisconsin and New Hampshire.

Both candidates brought their campaigns to New Hampshire this weekend, signaling the importance of a state with just four electoral votes. Four years ago, the Granite State was one of three states in the country that switched allegiance between the campaigns of 2000 and 2004.

Obama advisers say they still have their sights on a number of Republican strongholds, among them Georgia, North Carolina, Indiana, Montana and North Dakota. With the benefit of a massive fundraising operation -- the Obama campaign announced Sunday it raised a record $66 million in August -- and huge numbers of volunteers, the Democratic nominee has the luxury to compete in states this fall that past campaigns would have had to abandon.

But Republicans and some Democratic strategists not associated with the Obama campaign say the overall electoral map has become more familiar in the past few weeks. One reason is McCain's selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate. Her choice has helped to harden some of the red-and-blue political divisions of past years, dampening Obama's hopes of picking off some solid GOP states.

Reviewing the state of play a week after the Republican convention ended, McCain pollster Bill McInturff declared: "Obama's campaign's effort to extend the electoral map has largely failed. We once again have a pretty conventional and expected list of tossup states that will decide the election."

Steve Hildebrand, deputy campaign manager for Obama, disagreed, saying there has been no contraction of the Democratic nominee's ambitions to provide as many avenues as possible to the 270 electoral votes needed to win the election. "Other than Alaska being much less likely to be a competitive state because of Sarah Palin, we have not seen any reason to believe that we should shrink the map," he said.

But Tad Devine, a Democratic strategist who played key roles in the last two presidential elections, said of the electoral map, "I think it's going to look a lot like 2000 and 2004."

Palin's selection has brought a surge of energy and enthusiasm to a Republican base that had been tepid toward McCain, and Democrats say they have seen the effect in polls that have shown McCain gaining ground since the end of his convention.

"I think one of the things driving the national polls is that the red states are redder," said David Axelrod, one of Obama's closest advisers. "In the battleground states, the race has held pretty firm."

Several Obama advisers said over the weekend that they are beginning to see McCain's post-convention bounce dissipate. McCain's advisers, however, said that although some softening is likely, they believe Palin's impact already has been real.

A McCain adviser argued that the impact of Palin is being felt both in GOP strongholds and in battleground states, especially in rural areas, where she has made a very positive first impression. If that holds, it could complicate Obama's hopes of picking off Ohio or Missouri. He won the latter in the primaries, but it voted for Bush in the past two elections.

Privately, some Obama advisers see Missouri as very difficult to win, unless they can massively mobilize new and existing voters in the St. Louis and Kansas City areas.

Obama's campaign still sees opportunities in states such as Georgia and North Carolina, principally because of their efforts to register new voters and through a massive organizational effort to turn out registered voters who stayed home in the past. The campaign has spent almost $3 million on television ads in Georgia and has seen voter rolls grow by almost 400,000 since the beginning of the year.

"Do we think it's going to be one of the harder states to win? Yes," Hildebrand said. "Do we think it's winnable? Yes."

McCain's campaign has invested little in the state, believing that if Georgia goes for Obama in November, the election will be a landslide victory for the Democrat. McCain's team has husbanded its more limited resources and intends to remain disciplined in focusing on states it believes will decide the election.

"If we have to worry about Georgia in mid- to late October, we're going to get shellacked," a McCain adviser said.

But McCain's team says resources alone may not be enough for Obama. They note that the Democratic nominee spent more than $7 million on ads in Florida over the summer, at a time when their campaign was not advertising in the state, and did not significantly improve his standing.

Kerry won 252 electoral votes in 2004, so Obama needs to pick off some Bush states to win the election. The two likeliest are Iowa and New Mexico, although that would still leave him six short of 270.

Obama campaigned for a year in Iowa before winning the caucuses there last January while McCain largely ignored the state during nomination battles in both 2000 and 2008. A Des Moines Register poll released Sunday showed Obama leading McCain in Iowa 52 percent to 40 percent.

New Hampshire, however, could go the other way. McCain won the GOP primaries there in 2000 and in 2008 and is better known in New Hampshire than perhaps anywhere outside of his home state of Arizona. Obama campaigned hard there last year, but still lost the Democratic primary in January to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

New Hampshire took a sharp turn toward the Democrats two years ago, but McCain's popularity there could offset that advantage. New Hampshire strategists said over the weekend that independent voters, whom both McCain and Obama courted during their respective primaries, will decide the outcome in November, particularly the more than 100,000 independents who did not vote in either primary.

Obama hopes to pick off two other Western states to edge himself over the 270 mark, with his best chance seen in Colorado rather than Nevada. Colorado also has moved toward the Democrats since 2004, and Obama is counting on his organizational strength to pull him through there. But Republicans see Palin as someone who could help significantly in the Western states.

Virginia, too, has trended toward the Democrats in recent elections, making it ripe for a possible switch despite backing Republicans in every presidential race since 1964, when Lyndon B. Johnson carried it. McCain's team sees holding onto the state's 13 electoral votes as critically important.

McCain has fewer opportunities for switching states, but his first priority is to hold onto the two big battlegrounds of Florida and Ohio. His campaign has growing confidence that Florida will remain in their column. One Obama adviser, who declined to be identified in order to speak candidly, expressed pessimism about Florida but said the longer the Democrats can keep the state competitive, the more McCain may be forced to spend to defend it.

Ohio remains competitive because of the economy, but there are signs that Palin could help boost the vote in rural areas, where Obama was very weak in the primaries.

Republicans targeted Pennsylvania and Michigan in 2000 and 2004, only to come up short. Obama holds narrow leads in both, according to public polls. McCain's team sees opportunities, particularly in Pennsylvania, but both states could be difficult for the Republicans.

Another possible switcher for McCain is Wisconsin. Democrats won it in both 2000 and 2004, but it was one of the closest states in the nation both times. A poll yesterday in the Minneapolis Star Tribune showed a deadlocked race in Minnesota, but the McCain campaign is cautious about its chances there.



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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:02 AM
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1. NOTE: "His first priority is to hold onto the two two big battlegrounds of Florida and Ohio."
Florida and Ohio Florida and Ohio Florida and Ohio Florida and Ohio

Can we do it?
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:10 AM
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2. holy freakin' cow.
time to pray.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:13 AM
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3. I wonder if Florida is possible mostly due to dirty tricks with voters
but my family is there pushing and I think.. it might be a squeaker.

Next week I'll post info on calling into Florida, I will be doing that because I think it's key this year.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:14 AM
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4. That is .. McCain's priority is of course
But the schlepers and others are working on it.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:27 AM
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5. His first priority should be to hold onto New Mexico and Colorado.
Because without either state, it won't matter if they win Florida or Ohio, they'll lose this election.

The thing is, Obama has a far better shot at both states than he does in Florida and Ohio. They need both those states or it's over and it's looking less and less likely McCain wins either.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:29 AM
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8. Even with the relatively low EV numbers NM and CO are key?
Interesting.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:37 AM
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12. For him they are.
Let's say Obama wins all of Kerry's states and does, as expected, win Iowa.

All it takes is Colorado & New Mexico and Obama wins. It's over, even without Florida, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia and Missouri.


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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:39 AM
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13. wow. I might rest easy tonight with that thought in mind.
New Mexico should be easy with Gov. Richardson ... Polls are not looking great yet but we'll see.
Colorado seems more dicey, but I don't know. Denver is blue I hear..
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:41 AM
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15. I think Obama has 'em both nearly locked up.
Obviously a lot can happen, but I think he'll win both.

If he does and carries Iowa, it'll be a close win, but a win regardless.

Of course, when it's all said and done, I expect Obama to win Ohio and I think if there is big turnout in KC and St. Louis, he takes Missouri.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:46 AM
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17. Iowa is looking like a shoe-in .. so maybe Obama really has got this
No wonder he's so cool all the time. Of course then there are the dirty tricks possible in Ohio.. etc.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:48 AM
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18. .. but with that scenario Ohio is not key .. haven't heard much from Richardson
He'll probably appear soon.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:52 AM
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20. Right.
We're in better position today in Ohio because the SOS is a Democrat, unlike that Ken Blackwell in 2004, who was a Repub.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:51 AM
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19. I think people get too focused on the daily tracking polls.
Edited on Mon Sep-15-08 03:53 AM by Drunken Irishman
And ignore the state polls in key battle grounds that show Obama doing better than McCain. If you average the polls, Obama leads in both Colorado & New Mexico. His lead in Iowa is double digits and I find it highly unlikely McCain poaches any of the states Kerry won in 2004.

Looking at the map, McCain is under performing the final 2004 Bush results in many states, including Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico. Obama, however, is about where Kerry was -- if not better -- in many of the states he eventually won in 2004.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:28 AM
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6. Real question is election fraud. Are the SOSs Republicans in these states?
If so, then you can count on massive election fraud efforts, particularly if the state law enforcement officials and governors are also Republicans. If they are Dems, Republicans will have a much harder time with election fraud efforts of the kind they pulled in Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004.

Is there a single state that is a game changer with enough votes and with a completely GOP government? Pennsylvania has a Dem SOS, Gov and GOP Attorney General which will make it hard for McCain to do anything except try to suppress voter registration. Michigan has a Dem gov but a GOP SOS and attorney general so there McCain can try to suppress voter registration and the SOS can try to illegally restrict voters' ability to cast votes, secure in the knowledge that neither the state nor the federal law enforcement will object. That means Dems need lawyers in Michigan to do to the courts, because you have to assume that the SOS in Michigan will try to do all kinds of illegal shit for McCain like suppress exit polls, issue weird rules about you can not vote if your home is foreclosed stuff like that. Ohio has a Democratic SOS this time. I have been wondering why the GOP has not tried to move in and do something to take over the election from her control there. Maybe they are counting upon locals to pad the vote. Or e-vote fraud. Maybe they have convinced the people who committed fraud in 2004 that if Obama is elected, his new DOJ will prosecute them for the crimes they committed in 2004, and that is their secret plan for Ohio. Even though new presidents seldom look backwards---they always want to look forward to the future, to start on their legacies.

Anyway, we know that there will be something planned for each state and that it will add up to a "win" for McCain--after the October surprise which will probably be Israel using U.S. weapons to attack Iran's new nuclear plant while it is still full of Russia techs. I think that is why the U.S. had to provoke the war in Georgia. Because if we didn't paint Russia as bad before Israel attacked them, then Israel would have looked like bad guys for killing a bunch of Russian civilians when they targeted an Iranian reactor. But this way, Bush-Cheney can claim that Russia is part of some axis of evil with Iran. And make fun of Obama for saying that he might negotiate with Iran (who would negotiate with someone that Israel bombed?).

And I would not put it past Cheney to have Palin's son hidden in Cheney's bunker for a few weeks before the election, and they will pretend that he has been kidnapped by Iranians and is being held hostage, just like in 1980, to generate sympathy for Palin, so the press will stop talking about her lies. And they will praise her for her courage, and she will become the equivalent of the holy mother. Who on earth sends a VP candidate's son to Iraq to guard officers? I mean, aren't the immediate family members of the candidates supposed to be getting round the clock secret service protection? If he really goes to Iraq, he just puts the other soldiers and the people he is supposed to guard in danger. If they send him there, it is like they are begging for something to happen to him, so that they can exploit it for the McCain campaign. Jeez.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:34 AM
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9. I wish I did not agree with your scenario but I do. In Ohio there was a positive
ruling that disallowed those phoney absentee ballot applications McCain was sending out.

It's hard to keep track. I wish there was a chart with the states and possible fraudulent practices
so it could be tracked and Obama swat teams could get on it, if possible.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:44 AM
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16. We have to be prepared for any and all tricks
I think this information is important. Wish you'd share more on the state by state at some point. Who is who and what might happen. The Palin's son idea is all too creepy, they can't get Bin but he's fully maleable..
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:29 AM
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7. McFuckwad ain't NEVER getting Minnesota, as long as I'm here.
I'll make sure of that.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:35 AM
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10. It's a squeaker right now if the polls are accurate, Obama up by 2%
last I knew.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:35 AM
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11. The verbs sgould be "won and...stole".
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 03:41 AM
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14. I hope Obama has a team of lawyers working on this..
.. sleazy critters that they are have managed to hide in the shadows .. hard to catch.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 05:05 AM
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21. Wisconsin DUers?
Is there a real chance that Wisconsin might go for McCain this year? I find it hard to believe?
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 12:09 PM
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22. Yes. Anyone from Wisc. on DU?
Opinions?
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