----People, serious question, and conversation; re; Media----

[1corona4u]

I wasn't around in the past on this board, but I was thinking about the last few elections, say since Clinton. We know they stole one, maybe both, of the last 2 elections, but, what concerns me more than that, at this moment, is, did the media do the same things it's doing now, back then? I was paying attention to the Kerry-Swift boating thing, but my question is more about the day-to-day of the cable news shows.

I am really disturbed by this today. Something just doesn't feel right....I know all of the reasons they promote their own, but how do we combat that effect? And seriously make a difference.

I think this country will be in very grave danger if somehow this media manipulation isn't controled....

[1corona4u]

1. I think I am invisible today....

:-) apparently too much going on...

[slinkerwink]

2. Yes. They did the same in 2004 and 2000.

[Cosmocat]

4. YEP ...

that is why, while I get as burned out as anyone else, I NOT surprised.

These puke bags are in the bag for Rs in a neverending, and at this point completely visible level.

[Wetzelbill]

3. Yeah they did

It's because of two things. Sensationalism. The Republicans know how to sensationalize everything and win newsscycles. They take a few words out of context and go nuts with it, run it through RW radion, then to Fox, hammer it on the stump, then it gets into all the other MSM outlets. They're awesome at that stuff.

The other is framing. Republicans know how to frame everything their way. That's why nearly 17 years after supply-side economics has been discredited, and after the Clinton vs Bush record has effectively killed any notion of it working at all, we still see the media portray "tax cuts" as something of great significance. And I don't mean tax cuts in general, those are fine, but I mean Republican-style irresponsible tax cuts that are detrimental to our country. With the rise of Movement Conservatism in the mid-70s and then the Reagan presidency and the Gingrich Revolution we've seen the Right take over the framing on everything, often with Orwellian language. It quelled dissent before the Iraq War, it devastated the Gore and Kerry campaigns and it has kept McCain in the race so far.

[1corona4u]

5. But,

why can't we get past them? I mean, clearly the democrats have always out numbered the republicans. Are dems just not voting? Have they been voting for republicans? Here are numbers, and I think they are from before the newest registered voters, and the losses from the republicans;

63 million registered Democrats, 47 million registered Republicans, 32 million registered as independents, or with minor party, 62 million not registered....

One thing I did notice though, the previous numbers I had seen,(prior to the primary) put them at 72 million dems, 52 million repubs, and 15 million Ind., so it looks like a lot of the dems moved to the Ind column?

Point being, we should have wone by huge margins, in both elections, to the point that they would have never been able to steal it. To me now, when they start building up mccrap, I think they are setting all of us up to steal it again, because of we think it's close, then we'll be less likely to think they stole it. And that's why they are reporting it now. But we know better.

[EC]

6. Yes, they also used legislation to build stories for the nightly news

traps to provide the see Kerry voted blah, blah, blah....especially CNN and Fox

On Edit: They also refused interviews or access to reporters, commentators that pissed them off, like mccain is doing now, well it worked then because they were in control and the reporters had to have access, not so now with mccain, he's not in office yet so some have just said screw you and don't care if they get to interview him or palin..

[dennis4868]

7. Up until today....

i guess I have was naive in thinking that the media will play it straight this election cycle...I thought this because they were calling out McCain on his lies and challenging McCain people on TV talk shows.

But then today comes along and all of that is out the window. Today reminded me of 2000 when the media ran Gore out of town both before and during the supreme court selection of Bush. It was so disgusting that everytime I think about I almost cry. So here we are in 2008 and it starting to happening again. Today it was all about:

1. When McCain says the economy is fundamentally strong he is right...again...up is down and down is up.

2. Both sides have been negative...WTF?

This is so sad. If the media would just be fair and not for one side over the other we would have a good shot at winning every prez election.