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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-15-08 09:07 PM Original message |
Mark Penn lecturing the Obama campaign. Tells him not to "return to the base." |
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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-15-08 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. Obama take that as you must protect your base for dear life.-> |
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knixphan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 01:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
28. abso-friggin-lutely! |
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aquamarina (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-15-08 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
2. Mark Penn can just go Cheny himself. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-15-08 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
3. Yeah, how'd that campaign you were runnin' |
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felinetta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-18-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
76. Penn is hideous |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-15-08 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
4. Huh? Who cares? Obama doesn't employ this guy right? |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-15-08 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
5. So a guy who ran one of the worst campaigns in American history wants to offer advice? |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-15-08 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
6. Mark Penn ... the guy who took Hillary's "sure thing" victory and turned it into a defeat |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-15-08 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
7. "Inconvenient truths about the New Democrats, the Third Way, Democratic Leadership Council, etc" |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-15-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I wish that were not archived. I could add to that list. |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-15-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. If you want to harvest anything from it and combine it with your bookmarks madfloridian please do so |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-16-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. I just may do that. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-15-08 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
9. The New Economy model is an epic failure. Weak growth, high inflation, and constant crisis. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-15-08 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
11. Mark Penn is a political loser |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-16-08 01:14 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Because they are used to listening to him. |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 09:34 AM Response to Reply #11 |
51. This is one of the fight Obama |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-15-08 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
12. blog after dem blog trashed kerry. these people ought to reflect on the damage they do |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 09:36 AM Response to Reply #12 |
52. They are trying the |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-15-08 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
13. Mark Penn makes me gag myself |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-16-08 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
15. A sterling example of Penn's political acumen: |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-16-08 03:30 AM Response to Original message |
16. Gore's problem |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-16-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. The gravy train consultants... |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-16-08 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
19. The rule is: Whatever Penn says, do the opposite. He is just |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-16-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Agreed. |
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orestes (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-16-08 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
21. Someone needs to take this guy out behind the shed |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-16-08 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
22. Waiiiit, I thought Kerry he went hard right DLC during the election? |
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Plaid Adder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-16-08 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
23. Presumably Obama knows that he won the primary partly because Penn is an idiot. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 12:26 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. He just irritates me so. He didn't even know the delegate rules... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #25 |
62. I wonder if Mark Penn knows about the electoral college rules |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
24. This coming from the "strategist" who didn't know how the delegates were apportioned |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 12:34 AM Response to Original message |
26. Hillary picked up running as a populist |
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Spiffarino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
27. Hey Mark, do the letters, "FO" mean anything to you? |
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regnaD kciN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 01:24 AM Response to Original message |
29. And if there's one person who's advice we really ought to heed... |
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Wetzelbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
30. oh lord, David Axelrod whipped your ass, get over it, Mark. nt |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 03:59 AM Response to Original message |
31. somebody, please, drive a stake through this cretin's heart once & for all |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 05:03 AM Response to Original message |
32. You'd think this mega-sleazebag was trying to get his hooks into Obama or something. |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 06:58 AM Response to Original message |
33. After steering HRC's campaign, Mark Penn's name is mud. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 07:07 AM Response to Original message |
34. Is he mistaking Obama for a liberal, the way he did Gore? |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
35. Good thing his credibility is smouldering in the ashes of the Hillary campaign. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
36. "return to the base?" |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
37. Consider it his resume for more work. Then, toss is it in the can. |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
38. Note to Penn |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
39. Say, Mark? Who asked you? |
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asthmaticeog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
40. What an idiot. WHEN the fuck did Kerry or Gore swing LEFT? |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
41. Mark Penn, please shut up |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
42. He sounds obsolete. |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
43. Prescribing success as a "'New Economy' Democrat"? |
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sasquatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
44. Can somebody deport this asshole please? |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
45. Mark Penn |
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Tutankhamun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
46. Penn redefines the left |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
47. Fortunately, Obama listens to Plouffe and Axelrod, not Penn. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
48. Deleted message |
Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
49. This is good |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
50. "You will go to Dagobah, Obama..." |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
53. Mark Penn: "I am a tool." n/t |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
54. That means Obama should do just the opposite. Mark Penns career is dead |
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
55. Hillary should have shit canned him |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
56. I would listen to Mark Penn |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
57. Oh shit everybody hide, Norm's (from Cheers) evil twin is back. nt |
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guruoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
58. To win, all Obama has to do is simply... |
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LiberalLovinLug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Yes but Truth has a decidedly Liberal bias |
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Fovea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
59. Penn brings the fail |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
60. Funny how Hillary started doing better AFTER Penn was let go. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
61. Finally something we agree on, madflo |
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LiberalLovinLug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
64. Life in opposite land |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. We see the same thing. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
65. His BASE is working people who pay income taxes. |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
67. Mark Penn is a "fat cat" elitest |
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blueclown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
68. mark penn did run a winning election campaign in 1996. |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
69. Yeah, cuz you did such a great job for Hillary, asswipe. |
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Alter Ego (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
70. Obama: "Blow me, you fat lobbyist fuck." |
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jrockford (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-18-08 03:12 AM Response to Reply #70 |
73. No kidding n/t |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
71. Dear Mark Penn... |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-17-08 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
72. Sound advice, whoever it comes from. McCain/Palin will do all that's needed to motivate the base. |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-18-08 06:07 AM Response to Original message |
74. billyoc lectures Mark Penn, tells him "Return to Black Lagoon". |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-18-08 06:13 AM Response to Original message |
75. "People vs. The Powerful" was what WON the 2000 election. |
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