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Mon Sep-15-08 10:51 PM
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Say what you will about the Andrew Sullivan of five years ago. |
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His constant, meticulously researched scorched-earth savaging of the Repukes, day after day, is one of the best sources there is about the depths to which the Repigs have sunk and the unabashed constancy of their lying. I have no idea what changed him so drastically, but he is one of our best journalistic friends here and now.
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Mon Sep-15-08 10:53 PM
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1. I have a hard time praising arsonists who take up firefighting. |
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Mon Sep-15-08 10:56 PM
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5. That why you hate Huffington too? n/t |
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Mon Sep-15-08 11:05 PM
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13. And "mediamatters" Another turnaround |
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for our side who's put his heart and soul into helping us.
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Mon Sep-15-08 11:07 PM
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16. Look genius, I have little tolerance or taste for Repuke type whining of the |
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"Why do you hate America?" variety.
I don't give a rat's ass about Huffington. I have no opinion of her one way or the other.
As for Sullivan - I'm not gay, but I knew the entire Repuke party consisted of anti-gay bigots for at least several decades.
I'm really happy for Sullivan that he's heard about it somewhere, but the fucker helped create this mess, which has destroyed my fucking country?
Got it?
No?
Well kiss my ass.
He wasn't some passive dupe watching Fox News. On the contrary, he was an activist propagandist for the right.
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FKA MNChimpH8R
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Mon Sep-15-08 11:21 PM
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18. I don't much care when someone becomes an anti-Nazi |
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only that they become a committed anti-Nazi. That Colonel Count Claus von Stauffenberg was late to the party makes him no less a hero.
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Tue Sep-16-08 12:15 AM
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22. helped create this mess? Because he has a blog? Edited a magazine? |
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really?
I sense some hostility toward Sullivan that I don't see directed to others who "helped create this mess" like Media Matters (hat tip from another post) and Huffington. An excellent argument can be made that each of those republicans did more to create this mess than Sullivan. Brock was much more of an active propagandist, he destroyed Anita Hill. What a guy! And Huffington gave more money to the GOP than any of us will ever see in our lifetimes. (Brock is gay and Ariana a woman, neither group fared well under the GOP but both supported the party.)
So he helped create this mess, at least he has dedicated his blog from not until the election to helping to fix it by showing McCain and Palin unfit for office.
If we don't "welcome" people from the other side, we will continue to lose elections.
Just saying.
My dad was a republican, until Reagan who he thought was an irresponsible war monger. Once he saw the light he was a tireless supporter of all Democrats and the best man who ever lived.
Rather than me kissing your ass, you kiss his.
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Tue Sep-16-08 07:37 AM
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26. Over-react much? Or do your corn flakes just taste a little pissy this morning? |
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Tue Sep-16-08 08:47 AM
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30. I'm with you NNadir. He's not a Dem, he's not a liberal, he's not |
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to be trusted. He is against the direction the Republican Party has taken under Bush but if they clean up their act - he will be right back there.
That is not the case with Arianna Huffington or David Brock.
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Mon Sep-15-08 10:53 PM
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2. Have to admit, Sullivan is really taking it to McCain and the rest of |
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the whole sorry lot of Republicans.
Strongly worded stuff, too.
I'm please to have his vote for Obama/Biden.
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Mon Sep-15-08 10:55 PM
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4. I don't think he can vote, he's not a citizen, but I'm delighted to have his voice |
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he is relentless, as is John Cole at www.balloon-juice.com
Both have been non stop GOP bashing for some time.
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Mon Sep-15-08 10:57 PM
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7. You may be right -- I see him on a lot of PBS panels with |
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U.S. journalists and I get the idea that he's in DC or NYC.
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Mon Sep-15-08 10:59 PM
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9. I believe he actually is a naturalized US citizen. nt |
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Tue Sep-16-08 12:23 AM
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23. if so, it happened in the last few weeks, which I highly doubt |
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he had several posts about a bill which just passed in Congress to get rid of the HIV positive prohibition in the law. Prior to that I don't think he could even get permanent legal resident status which is pretty much necessary before citizenship. Helms passed the original amendment. No one who was HIV positive could immigrate. I'm pretty sure he was here on a work visa which he was able to extended but he was worried he would not be able to do that forever.
He's still a British citizen according to wiki.
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Tue Sep-16-08 07:30 AM
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25. Ah--I didn't know that. I guess I was just assuming, since he has obviously |
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settled here and takes such an active (and meddlesome) inttnerest in our elections. He's been pro-Dem since 2004, but he did a lot of damage supporting Republicans before that.
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Mon Sep-15-08 10:54 PM
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3. part of my daily read, like about 10 times a day. like a drug. n/t |
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Mon Sep-15-08 10:58 PM
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He is absolutely HORRIFIED at Palin and the Christianists (as he calls them).
John Cole is great too. He actually changed parties to Dem over the Terry Schiavo SCHIP fiasco. He is just as relentless and often very funny. His comments are good too. Smart readers.
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Mon Sep-15-08 11:04 PM
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He's completely on top of things right now.
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Mon Sep-15-08 10:57 PM
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6. He has been really wonderful on pushing back. |
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Mon Sep-15-08 11:02 PM
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10. IIf it helps Obama I applaud him |
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Regardless of anything he's said in the past, I'm damn glad he's helping to expose McCain for what he is.
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Mon Sep-15-08 11:06 PM
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15. Yeppers, and he's not doing some genteel "criticism," |
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he is putting Grampy's entire campaign, together with Mooselini, through a freaking tree chipper.
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Mon Sep-15-08 11:04 PM
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12. He is an intelligent man |
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8 years of Bush and the Republicans is enough to drive any "intelligent" person running as far and as fast as they can.
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Mon Sep-15-08 11:05 PM
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Is this an honest conversion, or will he go back to bashing liberals when Obama's president? I don't expect anyone to take a hands off approach, of course, if Obama makes mistakes. As long as people are honest. So will Sullivan be honest?
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Mon Sep-15-08 11:27 PM
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What is his fiscal philosophy? Some Republicans, or Republican sympathizers turn Democrat and bring their no tax, no spend, no govt intervention mindset into the party.
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Mon Sep-15-08 11:21 PM
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17. He no longer thinks that we liberals are a treasonous fifth column |
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sitting in our coastal enclaves plotting to hand America over to the "Islamofascists"?
How very decent of him! Should I give him a cookie or something?
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Mon Sep-15-08 11:23 PM
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19. Nope. Just remember the timeless wisdom of Lao-Tzu: |
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend
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Mon Sep-15-08 11:42 PM
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21. I hope you're right about him now ... |
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Edited on Mon Sep-15-08 11:42 PM by defendandprotect
I don't watch or read him --
HOWEVER . . . people like him who could have done a lot to wake up the right re the damage
the GOP agenda does to the nation were banging the drums for them.
That kind of past can'r & shouldn't be forgotten --
Fence sitting power followers -- following the best opportunity for themselves.
I'd say, drop people like him ...
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Tue Sep-16-08 12:26 AM
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24. then we will never win the WH |
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we need converts
how do we do it without them?
Huffington, media matters, Sullivan, John Cole.
While I would never consider voting for someone who recently switched sides, or give him the key to the city, I damn well won't trash him like the right is doing right now.
Check out the right wing sites. They are calling him crazy. It takes some balls to turn on your own.
Read him. Honestly, its not catching. You'll be surprised.
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Tue Sep-16-08 01:00 PM
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32. Nonsense .. we don't need Andy ... HE needs you --- |
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I'm surprised the right is even acknowledging other thinking exists, leave
alone a rightie going for it -- !!
Yeah .. Sullivan is a new national hero -- !!
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Tue Sep-16-08 07:48 AM
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27. Exactly we should always praise any converts as we appreciate all the help we can get |
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Tue Sep-16-08 08:41 AM
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28. Okay. Sully of five years ago was a complete whore. |
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Sully of today has flip-flopped, but I am beginning to suspect his conversion might at least be partly genuine.
He has a long way to go as far as atonement, but he's on the right track.
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Tue Sep-16-08 08:43 AM
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29. I have no problem with it, some people wake up and see the light finally |
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Tue Sep-16-08 09:10 AM
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31. Agreed. I'll never forget his BS from back then, and I'll never respect him, but |
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I'm not gonna trash him, and as long as he carries our water, hey, who cares what he used to think.
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