STOP Freaking Out About The Damned SKEWED Polls!

[Yes We Did]

I really don't understand all the panic here.

We KNOW that they do NOT take in account the 11,000,000 NEW registered democrats.

That is a lot of people.

They don't count them. They are going based on the last election in an attempt to make this look MUCH closer than it really is.

Why? Ratings.

My response? THANK YOU!

Yes, they are lying to us. We know it. They know it.

You know who doesn't know it? The average American. But trust me, that is a good thing for one reason.

If people knew Obama was really 7, 8, 9, 10 percent ahead, many of his voters wouldn't turn out to vote, figuring they didn't have to.

These close numbers will assure his vote comes out; people will think they have to.

So, instead of freaking out about numbers you KNOW to be false, realize that the pollsters' and media's plans to skew this is going to backfire HUGE when Obama wins by 10% in the fall.

In the mean time, it can't hurt to call them out on their bullshit...

[screembloodymurder]

1. All they need to do is plant the perception that the election will be close.

When they steal the election they'll point to the polls.

[Yes We Did]

3. We have got 11 MILLION more voters!

It's NOT going to BE close!

[EstimatedProphet]

7. True

If you posit the ability to steal the election, and to fake polls, why do they need to have things close at all? It could be 99% Obama/1% McCain, and the polls that said it was 50/50 couldn't be disproven.

[Yes We Did]

9. NO, it has to be close for them to steal anything.

We KNOW this from past elections. It WON'T be close.

We have 11 MILLION more voters.

[EstimatedProphet]

11. Not if you believe that the polls are rigged

which I hear on DU daily. If you believe that, then the polls have no meaning, and they can say anything.

[Yes We Did]

And we STILL have 11,000,000 more voters!

Polls can't skew those numbers. Period.

[EstimatedProphet]

14. Let's say they've faked the voting machines

Let's also say they've bought the polls. Election time rolls around, we come to the polls with an extra 11 million voters, and they win.

Prove they cheated.

Without any proof, it becomes our word against theirs. Without verified polling, there is no proof.

[screembloodymurder]

15. Exactly, can't believe that isn't obvious.

They must keep it close or they risk being caught and exposed as the thieves they are.

[Yes We Did]

21. Just wait and see.

First off, polls will change by weeks end. They already are.

Second, they can only cheat if it's close.

It will NOT be close.

[EstimatedProphet]

24. OK, but please explain to my why you believe they can't cheat unless it is close.

If you believe they control the voting machines, and if you believe they control the polls, and if you believe they control the press (a given around here) - they define what close means.

[bluestateguy]

2. If we get our people to the polls, we will win

In 2000 and 2004, party ID was evenly divided between Democrat and Republican. Cheating, Ken Blackwell and Diebold notwithstanding, the GOP had a better ground game than our side did. It was more sophisticated and more efficient than the Democratic effort, which in many cases relied on the sloppy efforts of Americans Coming Together (ACT). That is no longer the case, and the Democrats now have a +8 or +9 party ID advantage.

[Yes We Did]

4. Exactly my point. Thank You! n/t

[d_b]

5. no panic here

McCain is going to have to escape the margin of error if wishes to have any chance of winning.

[JuniperLea]

6. Yup... I don't get why people are looking at these Republican fairy tale numbers

And actually believing them to the point of fear! Hook, line and freaking sinker, people! Stop swallowing the freaking bait!!

[screembloodymurder]

16. We don't believe them.

But if enough people believe it's close, you won't be able to force a recount. That's why the polls are important. The perception is that this will be a close election. Perception is everything.

[JuniperLea]

17. Indeed

But how to catch them in their act?

[Neecy]

8. the polls mean little right now

The debates are going to be the final shaping of this race. Until at least two have taken place these polls may show trends but they are far from conclusive.

[DemFromMem]

10. Actually, the polls are finally moving in the right direction

Gallup, Rasmussen and Kos showing gains for Obama over the last few days. The bounce was supposed to fade around this time and it is.

[melody]

12. I was about to say that, too

I like the polls right now. They are definitely moving in our direction.

[mass independent]

13. I hope you're right

"Why? Ratings." - That would be one reason. If true I'm not freaking over the polls.

BUT

What if the truth is (as many speculate) it's so they can game the election and still have the resulting McLame win seem believable. Then I'm freaked.

What if it's a less devious but still horrible ploy to swing voters over to McCain? Face it, many people just want to be on the winning side and the polls sway them towards the candidate that's ahead. By just saying McCain is ahead they're systematically moving votes into his column.

Oh if it were only as benign as a ratings grab.

[Nye Bevan]

18. It won't be close once the debates start

Obama will wipe the floor with the befuddled old man.

And Biden will eat Grandma Moosehunter for breakfast.

[FatDave]

20. I'm inclined to agree with you.

But never underestimate the power of the dark side. If McCain goes out there and says "liberal" and "taxes" in the right places, he'll be able to fool a large number of idiots, and sadly the idiots seem to outnumber us. Remember 2004.

[FatDave]

19. "These close numbers will assure his vote comes out; people will think they have to."

That is based on the assumption that the polls are still tight on Nov. 4th. What if they're not? If McCain is up by 10 points, the disheartened will say "why even bother?" If Obama is up by 10 points, the overconfident will say "why even bother?"

Now, I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine what group of voters are most likely to express those sentiments. For extra credit, see if you can quantify how important their votes are to our cause.

[Yes We Did]

22. First off... McCain will not be up 10 points.

His numbers are already heading back south.

And do I need to say it again? We have 11,000,000 million more voters than the pugs.

11,000,000

Then you add the fact that the Obama campaign just filed suit to stop voter caging in Michigan, which will bring that into the news cycle and that will also bump voter turnout.

[FatDave]

23. Don't get me wrong.

I'm not saying that McCain would ever be legitimately up by 10 points. I'm just saying that further poll manipulation, in either direction, could hurt our turnout.