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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 06:25 PM
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Why is "The Keating Five" off limits?
Is it because of John Glen?
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 06:26 PM
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1. I've been wondering. Maybe that's it . . . n/t
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Marsala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 06:27 PM
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2. I think it's judged to be too "old news" to be effective
However, with very recent developments, that will probably not continue to be the case.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 06:29 PM
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5. But Biden's plagerism charge is not?
That's rich...
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 06:47 PM
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12. But his time as a POW is so prescient.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 06:28 PM
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3. Who wants to start explaining this NOW?
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 06:28 PM
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4. Because McCain apologized for it.?.....
after he got caught, of course.
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Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 06:29 PM
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6. Because - He is a POW, so he gets as many free passes as he wants.
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 06:30 PM
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7. I think it was wise to hold back this ammo.
Now is the time to start bringing it up, in the wake of these current banking crises. Hopefully a few people in the media can bring it up, explain some of the details, remind people of what it was all about and then Obama can mention it in the debates.
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 06:31 PM
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8. Because 4 of the 5 were Democrats
Edited on Tue Sep-16-08 06:42 PM by ben_meyers
but screw it , it's time to get over that! Obama wasn't even in government yet and it's time for him to throw all the dirty bastards under the bus, including Glenn even if he was from Ohio.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 06:41 PM
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9. Because legally he was cleared so it will go no where... n/t
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Tesibria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 06:45 PM
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10. I don't think it is .. think it's become relevant again (to extent it wasn't before)
It's starting to get some mention, however "sideways"
See, e.g.,

Dallas Morning News:

Both have some claim to the financial reform mantle – Mr. Obama is relatively new to Washington, and Mr. McCain seems to have learned his lesson and kept his distance from dangerous relationships since the Keating Five experience in the 1980s.


Argus Leader:

Why is the distant history of John McCain as a prisoner of war always part of his resume, but his more recent history in the savings and loan failings of the 1980s and 1990s is never mentioned?

McCain was one of the senators in the Keating 5 who took $1.3 million in campaign contributions from Michael Keating. Those five senators then used their influence to get regulators to back off their investigations of Lincoln Savings and Loan, owned by Keating.
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Washington Post:

Even far from Washington, politics took a toll on Cindy McCain. In 1989, she was pulled into a Senate investigation that focused on her husband and four other senators who had intervened with regulators on behalf of savings-and-loan owner Charles Keating.

When questions arose about a vacation the McCains took to Keating's home in the Bahamas, Cindy McCain, as family bookkeeper, was asked to document that they had reimbursed the Keatings, but she could not. She has repeatedly cited the stress of the Keating Five scandal and pain from two back surgeries that same year as reasons for her dependence on painkillers.


Boston Globe:

In the early 1990s, McCain's political career was in jeopardy when he was accused of interfering with banking regulators during the savings and loan crisis on behalf of a major thrift in Arizona run by a McCain campaign contributor, Charles Keating. McCain and his family took several trips to the Bahamas with Keating, and McCain's wife invested in a Keating shopping center.

The Senate Ethics Committee concluded that McCain used "poor judgment" in the matter. McCain said he had learned his lesson and said he would try to stop the undue influence of major political contributors.


Politico (via Cleveland.com:

McCain is also seeking to claim that, in the words of a recent campaign advertisement, "Only proven reformers John McCain and Sarah Palin can fix" the crisis.

But the financial crisis has also raised an uncomfortable specter from McCain's past: The last American financial meltdown, the savings and loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s. Then, McCain fought regulation while cultivating friends in the savings and loan industry, and narrowly escaped an end to his political career in the indictment of a wealthy supporter, Charles Keating.

Democrats Monday were eager to recall the scandal.

"Obviously McCain got his Ph.D. in market meltdowns from Professor Charles Keating," said Jim Jordan, a Democratic consultant.

"He has basically dedicated his career since that moment to the cleaning up of Washington," Holtz-Eakin said. "A major theme of this campaign is that we have now two candidates, Palin and McCain, who are dedicated to the kinds of reforms that are going to be necessary."


Just to name a few. I imagine it'll come up more throughout this week as the Wall Street "Crisis" continues...
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 06:46 PM
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11. Because, it may remind voters how it's people like him
who helped us get to the financial crisis we're in now.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 07:06 PM
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13. Save the best for last
Like a fine wine, you can't uncork it too soon, before it has developed its full body and aroma. Obama obliquely mentioned it today, as he referenced the S&L crisis in comparison to the financial happenings this week. Just a whiff of the cork for now. The more McCain digs the deregulation hole, the more will come out about Keating and Obama will nudge him into it.

I've developed a lot more respect for Obama in the last two weeks. The passing reference to "lipstick on a pig" perfectly killed one of Palin's applause lines, more subtly than I thought possible. Slowly but surely, he has been holding McCain to task, not putting his feet directly to the fire, but just turning up the heat ever so slightly. The Republicans have been proud of their mighty Wurlitzer for these last 8 years, but they are going to sound like a washtub and jug band when the Obama Philharmonic plays to a packed house.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 07:09 PM
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14. Who said it was off limits?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 07:10 PM
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15. It isn't. Read this ENTIRE thread, though.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 07:14 PM
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16. Now that the MSM is FINALLY talking about the economy, this is the perfect time for Keating 5
question and answer sessions. I think the media should be DROWNED with "reminders" about how McCondo did some very shady dealing.. not so long ago and he wasn't properly punished for it. All he had to do was say he was sorry and he got off scott free.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five

"McCain and Keating had become personal friends following their initial contacts in 1981,<10> and McCain was the closest socially to Keating of the five senators.<21> Like DeConcini, McCain considered Keating a constituent as he lived in Arizona.<18> Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received $112,000 in political contributions from Keating and his associates.<22> In addition, McCain's wife Cindy McCain and her father Jim Hensley had invested $359,100 in a Keating shopping center in April 1986, a year before McCain met with the regulators. McCain, his family, and their baby-sitter had made nine trips at Keating's expense, sometimes aboard Keating's jet. Three of the trips were made during vacations to Keating's opulent Bahamas retreat at Cat Cay. McCain did not pay Keating (in the amount of $13,433) for some of the trips until years after they were taken, when he learned that Keating was in trouble over Lincoln."
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 07:24 PM
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17. Wait a week or two. McCain himself may bring up the S&L deregulation fiasco 20 yrs
ago. McCain's Keating 5 involvement surely is his best claim on purporting to understand today's mortgage derivatives mess.

Clearly that would be the best possible opening for Democrats. Failing that, Obama's continued references to the S&L crisis 20 years ago may lead some MSM talking head to bring up Keating 5. Then Democrats can pounce with the least fear of republican cries of "Foul".
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bkcc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 07:36 PM
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18. My guess is that there are too many in Washington who were connected.
They're probably afraid to bring any attention to themselves.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 08:12 PM
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19. Because in 2000 even Bush/Rove couldn't make it an effective weapon
Edited on Tue Sep-16-08 08:15 PM by lamprey
against McCain in the GOP primaries, not to mention the countless campaigns who tried using in Arizona.
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