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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 01:04 AM
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****What WE must DO to Prepare for the Debates! Staying One Step Ahead!******
We all know how the media spins and spins immediately after debates, right? That is to say, by the time the debates end, the person we thought was the winner becomes the loser instead. As it was, remember how we would scratch our collective asses and try to figure out what had just happened?

Well, there is something that we can do about that....something like what was done in reference to Ms. Palin prior to her big debut interview: We must get our questions that we want asked out there in the world of media. We must be assertive in our demands that we, the people, have a say on the questions, and even the spin that comes following it. We have to communicate, for the world to hear, those questions that we are interested in hearing about. Get them out into the forefront, premeditatedly, long before the debates take place.

How is that done?

The first debate is on Foreign Policy, far as I know.

We get the email addresses to the debate moderator and we start writing the questions we want asked the most. Jim Lehrer- jlehrer@newshour.org , executive editor and anchor of PBS’s “The NewsHour,” will moderate the first presidential debate on Sept. 26, at the University of Mississippi, Oxford, Miss.

We want questions on the Iraq war, the faulty intelligence, and what was said prior to the war starting, and what ended up occurring. That is one that will favor our guy, for sure. We also want to make certain that questions about the surge will be asked in context of what other elements besides it brought Iraq to a relatively better place than where it was at the time.

We want to get these questions out to:
Josh Marshall talk@talkingpointsmemo.com
Andrew Sullivan andrew@theatlantic.com
Mark Ambinder marcambinder@theatlantic.com
Keith Olberman countdown@msnbc.com
Rachel Maddow rachel@msnbc.com
Eugene Robinson robinsong@washpost.com
Frank Rich frankrich@nytimes.com
E.J. Dionne Ignatiusd@washpost.com
Ed Schultz ed@edschultzshow.com
Randi Rhodes randi@novamradio.com
Stephanie Miller stephanie@stephaniemiller.com
Thom Hartmann thom@thomhartmann.com
Mike Malloy mike@mikemalloy.com
Steve Clemons steve@thewashingtonnote.com
Bbb Herbert bobherb@nytimes.com
Joe Klein http://www.time.com/time/letters/email_letter.html
Howard Fineman webeditors@newsweek.com
David Remnick (the New Yorker) david_remnick@newyorker.com
The New York Times Editors letters@nytimes.com
The Washington Post www.washingtonpost.com
and whomever else can push our pre-debate points,

some which you can locate using these handy tools:
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/dbq/media/
or http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/flowerchild/gGBqLt
or http://www.democrats.org/page/speakout/letterstoeditors


We want them to start discussing the issues that we are interested in seeing come up in the debate. We want to be the ones to set expectations. What we don't want is for the Debate questions to be a complete surprise to us.

We can also include communications to "Not friends of ours" supporters who will be weighting in immediately after the debates.

Folks like
Tom BrokeJaw http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6872152/
Chris Matthews hardball@msnbc.com
Mark Halperin (no direct, but address him and use letters@time.com)
Chuck Todd chuck.todd@nbcuni.com
Everyone at CNN is listed individually on this page: http://www.cnn.com/feedback/cnntv/


So, to stay one step ahead of those who don't give a shit about us or America, we need to loudly and publicly start no later than NOW, calling into talk shows, writing LTTEs, and writing a deluge of emails in order to generate the interests in what we find to be important.....and really, really concentrate on getting our questions into the public arena. The media pundits must know what we are expecting, and they need to especially know that we are tired of debates in where pundits are allowed to transform whatever moment they see fit as the "gaffe" moment, etc.....

Then of course, throughout the debate, we must fire off letters to the networks and cable "News" channels, all the way till past spin zone time.

Sure, the debates will be a lot of "fun" to watch while commenting here at DU, but we really have to be much more organized and much more effective than that. We can make a difference, if we hold important that doing this work will help us regain control over our own destiny. We have got to engage to make "them", the media, understand clearly that they are not in charge of our history, and they will not be the ones to determine the winner based on their made-up shitty criteria.

We need all DUers as well as other bloggers to participate in this project. The point is to prep the debates so that there is as much pressure put on those who normally "we must obey", as there is on our candidates (Obama/Biden). We must do all that we can to put them on notice; because they must know that NO, we are not having any of it.....NOT THIS TIME!

(Reprinted from my 9/14 post with more details
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7070901 )

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 01:14 AM
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1. What we don't want to do is believe that we have this in the bag....
because it won't be up to us, if we didn't take precautionary measures.

Do not underestimate the media and what it can do to change the landscape of elections.
We've done that before, and it didn't work out too well for us.


Don't want to hear, "Gamechanger" shit that they might pull out of their ass.

Just sayin'!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 01:19 AM
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2. Recs are nice...thank you,
kicks would be even better.....to keep this post up where folks can see it. Thank you. :hi:
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 01:19 AM
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3. Prepare for Palin showing up next Friday to replace J MCC. n/t
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 01:22 AM
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4. Possibly. She is afterall putting herself atop of the ticket....
so yeah, could happen.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 01:46 AM
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5. K&R!
Edited on Sat Sep-20-08 01:46 AM by junofeb
Thank you for the contacts, Frenchie.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 01:50 AM
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6. You are welcome!
Put them in your email address book, or bookmark this thread. I've also posted this thread to my journal, in case anyone ever wants it and can't find it.

I write to these folks all of the time.....
and try to stay ahead of the news cycles....
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 02:14 AM
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7. ...
Recommended :kick: #5

A large percentage of those watching will be partisans such as us, from both sides of the political fence.

The so-called "uninformed" voter unfortunately will pick up his or her impression of the debates from what the talking heads have to say in the following days. That is why Gore and Kerry failed to deliver knock-out blows to Bush during the debates.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 02:23 AM
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8. Thanks! K and R
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 03:05 AM
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9. ....k and R.
Fer sher.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 03:11 AM
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10. Helpful thread
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 05:47 AM
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11. K & R!
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 07:19 AM
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12. I don't think we should give away (in advance) what ANY of the questions will be,
I want BOTH McCain and Palin to fall on their asses big time.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 01:15 PM
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13. Well, the only thing we will hear next Friday then will be the issue of the "Surge".....
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 01:19 PM
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14. This is great!
Thanks Frenchie
:yourock:
:kick:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 01:36 PM
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15. What an excellent source of information!
K&R for all that, and an A+ for effort!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 04:49 PM
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17. And a Kick to remind folks not to get complacent......
we have work to do!
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 01:51 PM
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16. K & R
:kick:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 11:33 PM
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18. Another helpful post!

Median Democrat (1000+ posts) Sat Sep-20-08 09:12 PM
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McCain v. Romney Debate - McCain Making The Entire Iraq War About The Surge
Here is a snippet of what we can expect with John McCain making the entire Iraq war all about the surge:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHLfhOr55_U

I think Obama should say that it notable that McCain likes to dwell on the surge, because it the one thing he supported regarding the Iraq war that did not turn out to be wrong or a disaster.

First, McCain supported the invasion on the ground that there were WMDs present and that Iraq presented an imminent threat, but this was not true. Obama opposed the invasion at a time when such opposition was not politically popular.

Second, McCain represented that the Iraq war would be an easy and short operation, which it wasn't. This was either poor judgment on McCain's part or he was misleading the American people.

Third, McCain strongly supported the President's conduct of the war, even saying that we should be surprised by the success. Likewise, despite his newfound criticism of the President's handling of the war, he campaigned on behalf of Bush in 2004, and voted with Bush over 90% of the time when he bothered to vote.

Fourth, only after things went horribly wrong, did he call for a surge.

Fifth, while additional Americans certainly helped, the real change was due Gen. Patreaus diplomacy. Contrary to McCain, we did not just kill our way to less violence with additional troops. Instead, with the Anbar awakening, Iraqis stopped cooperating with Al Queda.

Sixth, McCain has been resistant to any withdrawal, saying that he welcomed a 10 year or 1000 year presense in Iraq, and even PM Maliki has supported a timetable for withdrawal similar to that proposed by Obama.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7133665



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Top Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 11:56 PM
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19. Thanks FrenchieCat...
This is a great
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:10 AM
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20. kr
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arKansasJHawk Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 03:32 AM
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21. RE: The Surge
We also want to make certain that questions about the surge will be asked in context of what other elements besides it brought Iraq to a relatively better place than where it was at the time.


We also MUST make sure that questions about the surge ALSO include the point that, violence levels aside, the surge has largely been worthless. The Iraqi government is corrupt and potentially dangerous, and no amount of U.S. troops is going to change that.
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 04:03 AM
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22. kick-a-roo

:kick:
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 04:09 AM
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23. K&R
:dem:
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 12:31 PM
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24. Another little kickie.
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