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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 10:04 PM
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How bad is the economic crisis? Conservatives are trying to pin the blame on Dems

Did Liberals Cause the Sub-Prime Crisis?

Conservatives blame the housing crisis on a 1977 law that helps-low income people get mortgages. It's a useful story for them, but it isn't true.

Robert Gordon | April 7, 2008 | web only

The idea started on the outer precincts of the right. Thomas DiLorenzo, an economist who calls Ron Paul "the Jefferson of our time," wrote in September that the housing crisis is "the direct result of thirty years of government policy that has forced banks to make bad loans to un-creditworthy borrowers." The policy DiLorenzo decries is the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act, which requires banks to lend throughout the communities they serve.

The Blame-CRA theme bounced around the right-wing Freerepublic.com. In January it figured in a Washington Times column. In February, a Cato Institute affiliate named Stan Liebowitz picked up the critique in a New York Post op-ed headlined "The Real Scandal: How the Feds Invented the Mortgage Mess." On The National Review's blog, The Corner, John Derbyshire channeled Liebowitz: "The folk losing their homes? are victims not of 'predatory lenders,' but of government-sponsored -- in fact government-mandated -- political correctness."

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This is classic rhetoric of conservative reaction. (For fans of welfare policy, it is Charles Murray meets the mortgage mess.) Most analysts see the sub-prime crisis as a market failure. Believing the bubble would never pop, lenders approved risky adjustable-rate mortgages, often without considering whether borrowers could afford them; families took on those loans; investors bought them in securitized form; and, all the while, regulators sat on their hands.

The revisionists say the problem wasn't too little regulation; but too much, via CRA. The law was enacted in response to both intentional redlining and structural barriers to credit for low-income communities. CRA applies only to banks and thrifts that are federally insured; it's conceived as a quid pro quo for that privilege, among others. This means the law doesn't apply to independent mortgage companies (or payday lenders, check-cashers, etc.)

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THE 2004 CAMPAIGN: THE DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM; Kerry Sees Credit Card Abuses, And Promises Steps to End Them

By LOUIS UCHITELLE
Published: August 27, 2004

Senator John Kerry added a plank to his platform yesterday, promising to push for legislation that would curb what his campaign describes as abusive practices in credit card and mortgage lending.

The proposals coincided with the announcement of new Census Bureau data showing that family and household income, adjusted for inflation, had fallen over the first three years of the Bush administration. The decline came as consumer debt rose, and the new plank promised relief for wage earners in straitened circumstances.

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A Kerry administration ''would ask Congress to legislate standards and to direct the Federal Trade Commission and bank regulators to impose regulations consistent with those standards,'' Mr. Sperling said. Much of this would be achieved through amendments to the Truth in Lending Act, he and Mr. Gordon said.

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Mr. Kerry's principal mortgage proposal would prohibit lenders from using balloon mortgages in most subprime loans, which often go to low-income people at higher rates.


Economists: Gramm To Blame For The Current Crisis

Read about: Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act


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An Intellectual Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 10:06 PM
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1. According to the radical free-marketist Bush-worshippers, every problem the country faces...
Edited on Sat Sep-20-08 10:07 PM by An Intellectual
...can always be blamed on minorities!
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 10:09 PM
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2. If it were the fault of a 1977 law favoring low income people the housing bubble would have happened
decades ago, not today. The mortgage/banking/lending industry put people into financial products that they knew once the loans adjusted these low-income folks would never be able to hold on to their homes. But the industry didn't care. There was little to no regulation or oversight. The industry was in for a quick buck.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 10:11 PM
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3. Always blame poor people
and then scoff at the very notion of class warfare.

If we don't shut this noise down, they will try to end FHA altogether.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 10:39 PM
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4. Time for Repubs to
own their bankrupt philosophy.

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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 10:53 PM
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5. If that were the case, then how come foreclosures are happening in the wealthiest
of suburbs? Based on this shitbrain logic, the foreclosures should only be happening in the minority neighborhoods.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 11:49 PM
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6. Nope,
there's no sign of logic in their BS spin.

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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 11:52 PM
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7. The CRA has been a success for years.
What BS.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-08 11:57 PM
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8. While Gramm, et al are to blame
there's a little problem with that- Clinton went right along with them.

Anyone wondering why the Greens' grew in strength so rapidly during the late 90's -this would be one of several high profile (at least, high profile to some of us) examples.

As to the Republicans little housing narrative- that won't fly with anyone other than their already devoted (and demented) base.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 12:14 AM
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9. No, there really isn't a problem. n/t
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 12:20 AM
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10. It's good to have a rebuttal- thanks for posting that
My thoughts on that point is that it's more or less a non-starter.

If they go trying to play esoteric policy- well, it's something neither they- nor their current candidates or surrogates, are very good at.

Plus, it sort of hits a lot of ordinary people in the rust belt right where they live, don't you think?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 12:24 AM
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11. "My thoughts on that point is that it's more or less a non-starter." You can't be serious.
Here: Phil "Enron/Lobbyist" Gramm's bill led to mortgage crisis.

Nothing esoteric about it.


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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 12:57 AM
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12. Exigegecies of the the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act
aren't esoteric?

:shrug:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 04:17 PM
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19. Huh? n/t
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:03 AM
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13. The blame goes squarely to the GOP, but
with, sadly, big demerit points to Democrats in Congress who aided and abetted this, and they were more numerous than I care to think about...

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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 01:09 AM
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14. Expect to see a whole shitload of this projection Sunday
and all next week from the talking heads.
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 03:44 AM
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15. Debt - 596 Trillion Derivatives - 58 Trillion Credit Default Swaps - 2.5 Trillion Credit Card
What's 700B gonna buy or solve?

Your Republican party in action!

www.wallstreetdigest.com/hotline.php
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jcla Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 04:06 AM
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16. Conservatives want to blame Dems....
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 04:06 AM by jcla
Just who has been President for 7 years and squandered our surplus megaplied our debt in a war and occupation of a country that had nothing to do with 9/11... Come on conservatives...take your licks like the wimps you are... You and deregulation McShame!

ENOUGH!
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iwillalwayswonderwhy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 05:22 AM
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17. And they've been warning us about economic collapse ever since
OH WAIT, no they haven't, they've been saying the "foundation is strong" and that it's all great.

What amazes me always was the claim that Reagan brought down the U.S.S.R., when in reality, an arms race AND a war in Afghanistan financially broke them. They suffered an economic collapse.

And now we've gone and done the very same thing.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 07:25 AM
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18. The response, "when was the last time those guys ever owned up on anything?"
"Sure, all politicians double talk but these guys won't even respond in context".
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 04:29 PM
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20. I recall hearing how people supposedly blame whoever was in the White House.
Queue Poppy and his recession at election time and Carter with his at election time and note how both lost. That's why the repukes are doing everything in their power not to have the media label this a "recession" (let alone a "depression"). Both Reagan's recession (early '80s) and Clinton's recession (mid-90s) were over just before election time and both were re-elected.

On a related note, I found an interesting site here with an article from 2005:

http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2005/08/recession_predi.html
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 09:59 AM
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21. How the Democrats Created the Financial Crisis: Kevin Hassett
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