Unanimous support for Obama on George Steph. "McCain is not presidential."

[jazzjunkysue]

If you live long enough.


They made it clear that they don't want McCain to handle this mess. That includes Will.

No support for Gramps. Will: "John McCain showed his personality this week and it made some of us fearful."

[ErinBerin84]

1. geeze, hell has frozen over.

Who was on the panel?

[DangerousRhythm]

7. Holy crap! THAT is shocking.

In a great way of course. And yeah, I'd love to know who was on that panel too! :O

[Connie_Corleone]

8. Sam Donaldson, Cokie Roberts, Donna Brazille and George Will.

[DangerousRhythm]

9. Whoa, even Cokie "Visiting Grandma in Hawaii is too exotic" Roberts?!

What the hell planet am I on? Did the world go topsy-turvy while I was asleep?

:wow:

[lurky]

2. Haha! What inspired Will to say that?

[jazzjunkysue]

5. Gramp's response to fire the head of FCC, or, whatever group runs the fed.

He said that Gramps knee-jerk response to just fire someone was not what a president does, and it betrays his veneer as the wise statesman. All agreed he's just impulsive and foolish.

Try to listen to the next broadcast. It moved so fast, it was hard to follow. They discussed everything at breakneck speed, but never resorted to screaming, because they were all agreeing: This bailout is suspect, and so is Gramps.

[lurky]

15. I'm not surprised they think it,

but I AM surprised they said it in public, in front of the cameras.

Something is turning: It looks like it might be a worm. :D

[dennis4868]

36. I am not suprised....

all of the people on the ABC panel probably lost alot of money this past week....Money Talks!

[unblock]

25. he called for firing the head of the securities and exchange commission (sec)

which does not run the fed. plus, apparently there are some legal hurdles to "firing" the head of the sec.

[johnaries]

34. Yes, and he even got that confused.

McCain named the head of the SEC but called it the FEC. That was the main thing George Will named, but he talked about other things as well. GEORGE WILL. And when he said "it made some of us fearful" I swear I could see real fear in his eyes - well, as much as Will shows any human emotion at all.

[Cha]

53. lol..

"I swear I could see real fear in his eyes - well, as much as Will shows any human emotion at all."

I've seen him once and I know what you mean.

[vaberella]

45. SEC not FCC...but yeah... n/t

[sentelle]

74. my wife has not been following the campaigns

But the comment McLame made on 60 minutes, saying that no, he did not have the power to fire the head of the SECOND, but he'd put pressure on the existing head to retire.

Well my wife's comment: is that an abuse of authority? Like Palin's 'troopergate'?

[Fly by night]

30. George Will is one of the few remaining real conservatives left.

He has been less-than-supportive of McLame for months now, and McLame has done nothing to change his opinion. (Far from it.)

George Will reminds me of conservative Republicans with whom I once could agree on basic elements of the foundation of our country (free speech, environmental protection, noninterventionist foreign policy, balanced budgets, the right to privacy, habeas corpus, personal integrity) that the current mutation of Rethugs belittle.

Like those few remaining real conservatices left, I imagine George is frightened that he went to bed a Republican last week and awoke this week to find he is now a National Socialist.

Eat the rich.

[roguevalley]

40. money,. his 'spic' and fec/sec remarks finally hit them where they live,

in their bank accounts, the wretched bitches.

[vssmith]

51. George Will is a reputable person

I am a rabid liberal but I have always been willing to listen to Will. He is intelligent and thoughtful and the current mess has likely made him cringe.

[yellowcanine]

67. I can't get too warm and fuzzy about Will. He has had his "asshole" moments. And he can be

pompous - insufferably so. And he is a wife ditcher as well - traded the old wife in for a younger model. The old wife threw his crap out the bedroom window unto the lawn at the time. Funny as hell.

[vssmith]

69. traded the old wife in for a younger model

That sounds almost Clintonesque

[fortyfeetunder]

70. Clintonesque?

I thought trading down for a trophy wife was out of the McCain playbook!

[vssmith]

72. Yeah! him too

[Cosmocat]

75. Will is just as full of shiite as the rest of them ...

he just packages it in a more high faluting way, and unlike the 20 year old morons on cable news doesn't shout it ...

he is a disingenious puke bag like the rest of them.

[mucifer]

3. Holy crap!!

I know I'm not adding much to this post. But, Holy crap. I had to say it.

[PCIntern]

4. they 'know' something about McCain...

I have said for months that there's buzz about his health floating around DC and AZ. Being good Republicans, they won't tarnish his 'privacy', but all the signs are that he's unfit to lead and they don't want to be on this sinking ship. Since his symptoms are going to manifest themselves shortly, he'll be accused of 'dissembling' about his condition to the media and everyone's going to be running for cover.

When they 'released' those medical records in the manner in which they did, they precluded a forensic poring over the details which would have given the answers to which we're entitled.

[DangerousRhythm]

10. I suspect you are right.

I feel bad for McCain on a human level, because nobody should suffer from dementia or Alzheimer's or whatever's wrong with him, but from a purely political standpoint and as a citizen? No mercy. He absolutely CANNOT be elected, for the sake of our nation! :scared:

[tblue37]

14. But he has provide for us so responsibly by backing himself up

with Caribou Barbie!

(Do I need the sarcasm smiley?)

[DangerousRhythm]

66. Haha! Yeah... thanks but no thanks, McAsshole!

:puke:

[dkf]

43. Are you sure it isn't about his melanoma?

John McCain has had 4 tumors treated that are classified as melanoma. Three of these are diagnosed as "melanoma in-situ," indicating that they were diagnosed early in that they were superficial and did not penetrate into the deeper layers of the skin. This is important as melanoma in-situ is treated less aggressively as these do not spread to other parts of the body. The cancer that is the cause of concern is the melanoma on his left cheek that was diagnosed and treated in 2000. This melanoma went fairly deep into the skin, with a depth of 2.2 mm. Because of this depth, it excised with wide margins and he had a lymph node dissection that showed that the cancer had not spread to the lymph nodes and presumably not to any other internal organs. Because of these findings, it is classified as being stage 2, indicating that the tumor was greater than 2mm in depth without ulceration or spread to the lymph nodes or other organs.

It is curious that he has had multiple melanomas, as having as many as four melanomas diagnosed within several years is uncommon. This likely is the result of excessive sun exposure from when he was younger although there may be genetic and other environmental factors that remain unknown.

http://www.healthcentral.com/skin-cancer/c/83/30493/mccain-history
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/53172-john-mccain-s-health-records-must-be-released

[Sheltiemama]

59. Is that what that swollen thing on his face is?

Last week, my mother commented that it looks larger to her.

[dkf]

60. I believe so.

Melanoma is scary...you have to check on it for the rest of your life and the odds of it reoccurring is pretty good.

[JimDandy]

61. Something IS really off with him. But the Republicans are masters at being puppeteers.

Look at Regan and Bush Jr. The county was run by unelected puppet masters both times. And now they don't even TRY to hide who's actually in power, as the McCain/Palin ticket clearly shows. They have become so confident of remaining in power, that they propped up a highly controllable, senile person to be their party's candidate and pulled an idiot, religious nut case off the street (ie Palin) to be second in line to the presidency.

They WANT candidates who are unfit to lead. They NEED candidates who are unfit to lead. That's how THEY get to lead.

[BrainStorm]

6. It seems like the Wall Street/Washington axis has made its choice.

I wonder what they are all expecting.

[mw]

19. They'd rather try again in 4 years than go McCain/Palin nt

nt

[BrainStorm]

39. Actually, I think they'd rather have a Democrat win and take the blame

when the economy totally sputters and dies.

[goodgd_yall]

42. This is what I'm afraid of

I'm thinking that is what's behind the bailout solution too. It sets it up so Obama's plans will look irresponsible after the taxpayers have been burdened with rescuing corporations. He'll have to spend his time in office just maintaining instead of pushing forward and he'll be blamed for not coming through on his promises. OR something like that. But, it is a bad setup for the next president, it seems to me.

[BrainStorm]

57. Me too

Obama will be effectively prevented from helping the poor and middle class because he'll be too busy trying to deal with the humongous debt from the bailout of wealthy gamblers who want their payouts. And, Obama will have to raise taxes on the middle class (despite what his plans are now) to get the country out of debt. Meanwhile, foreign and wealthy "banksters" will run off with all the national wealth. I get sick of paying the very wealthy so they can have more control over my life and treat me like crap.

What also worries me is that once Obama is forced to raise taxes, the Democrats will not be able to win again in an election for a long time.

Scott Ritter warned us that the Bush people were "not Americans." They're not: they're individual families with global ties that are taking all we have and leaving us for dead.

[goodgd_yall]

58. Yes, I'd never underestimate

what the Bush cabal and their supporters and hangers on will do to ensure that there is an administration in power that will allow them to keep the power and wealth.

[JimDandy]

64. Obama will be just FINE. He has a plan. No worriers need here. n/t

[SemiCharmedQuark]

62. But if McCain/Palin win, the economy is going to get still worse.

Eventually we'll have to elect a Dem to fix it and the same problem arises.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

63. But if McCain/Palin win, the economy is going to get still worse.

Eventually we'll have to elect a Dem to fix it and the same problem arises.

[vaberella]

46. When I saw FT (Financial Times) endorse Obama back in February, I said it was over. n/t

[mucifer]

11. I missed it. I can't watch that show. It makes me ill. Now I want a clip and I want it NOW!

:rofl: ok I'll wait a few hours or a day. It's very exciting. Thanks for posting this.

[Peacetrain]

12. I was watching it... And it was jaw dropping

McCain/Palin is losing air fast

[hlthe2b]

13. thanks for the heads up... 'will dust off the tv in the Mountain zone

and listen in... (and yeah, I suffice with only a five inch analog portable with antenna right now, having ditched tv for internet some time ago given my disdain. I'm still debating what to do when digital takes over in February--LOL)

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

16. George Will and many pragmatic conservatives hate John McCain. Will has always hated him.

This doesn't surprise me one bit. Cokie surprises me, though. I can't stand that woman. Never could. No one even heard of her before the Monica scandal. Most of these people became famous over Monica and impeachment. It's quite sickening. And George "Staphinfections" is just a morally corrupt charlatan!

[Cha]

54. Yeah, cokie likes to go down with the

repuke ship sputtering inanities as she gurgles away.

[thoughtcrime1984]

17. In all honesty

At some point, the MSM has to give up this partisan game/horserace nonsense, and decide which candidate is the one best fit to lead this country through a very dark time. Most of these individuals on TV are smart enough to see that one candidate is full of ideas, passion, and dignity, while the other is an extremely flawed, bitter person, with a vendetta, and no skills to lead whatsoever. This country is all of ours, and those with an ounce of common sense should by now be able to see the stark, and very real difference between these two men. Our nation may be already too far into the abyss to climb out unscathed, but one candidate gives us hope that it is possible, while the other leaves us believing the end is near. Each member of the media needs to look in the mirror, and decide if blatant deception of the public is something they can live with, or if they finally are ready to give up the charade, regardless of the consequences doled out by their corporate masters. It is time for courage, and a time to do what is right, media members. Get the word out that Barack Obama is far and away the man that can save the face of our great nation.

[DaveT]

22. "At some point, the MSM has to give up. . . ."

"At some point, the MSM has to give up this partisan game/horserace nonsense . . . "

Why?

It has been 12 years since the passage of the Telecommunications Act which provided the corporate management of the MSM with a huge increse in revenue and effective political power. Since then, we have seen the impeachment of Clinton; the defamation of Gore; the travesty of Florida and Roe v. Wade'; the Churchillian Leadership of Bush; the fruadulent selling of war on Iraq; the Swiftboating of Kerry; the sandbagging of Rather; the catastrophe of Katrina; the "success" of the surge -- and most recently the Palin Bump.

Throughout all of these dishonest presentations of the "news" there always been some counter-narrative bobbing on the surface of the ocean of official lies. The MSN is not really just a monolithic machine with a single Party Line as in Orwell's Ninetee Eighty-Four. Yet the overall picture that comes out of the idiot box is always the same -- both "sides" are presented as choices: ludicrous lies that are carefully chosen to play into prejudice, fear and superstition are cast in contrast to the "liberal" point of view. We report, you decide.

Through it all, I have kept waiting for the adults to step in and stop the insanity, as the fiscal and national security madness is literally destroying America as we have known it for the last 75 years.

But, watching the financial meltdown this week, isn't it now completely obvious that the destruction of the America that we have known for the last 75 years is EXACTLY what the top executives of the MSM and their related corporations want?

[thoughtcrime1984]

26. I think the reason as to "why now?" is that

The difference between right and wrong, with the banking implosion, couldn't be more stark right now. More folks than ever are/should be awakened to what is going on. Too many folks are paying attention now for the MSM to get away with out and out lying this time. The integrity of mass media is really coming under fire, more than I have ever seen. It's face-saving time, before President Obama takes office and tries to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine, or parts of it.

[vaberella]

48. I'm going to BM this...if anyone gets a video link...please post it. Thanx. n/t

[Pattib]

18. I believe a lot of Republicans hate John McCain...Just never thought they'd be so vocal about it....

Loving every minute of it though!

[electron_blue]

20. Where did you see this?

[faithfulcitizen]

24. I was wondering too. I'm on ET, does it run earlier on the East Coast? Just curious...

[BumRushDaShow]

29. It didn't come on here in Philly until 10:30 am EDT

I think it's up to the local stations to schedule.

[my3boyz]

32. I live in VA and it comes on 10:00 Et. nt

[malaise]

21. I have long come to the conclusion that

only the dumbest people on the planet would even contemplate voting for McSame/Palin. That said right now I am so pissed - I want to hear from people who are not marching lockstep with corporate thinking.
I am sick of this crap.

[OHDEM]

23. It was a great show!

I couldn't believe that they all agreed about McCain. I was shocked when Will said he was unpresidential, too!

Was it just me or did Stephanopolous have a cheshire cat grin going? He seems happy to see the Republicans sinking in their own cesspool!

[electron_blue]

28. what show?

[my3boyz]

31. THIS WEEK. nt

[JBoy]

27. It's simple - they now see their own personal fortunes and futures at risk.

Self-interest comes to the fore.

[Ishoutandscream2]

33. George Will?! Quick, call 911

The big one's coming. I'm coming to see ya, Elizabeth!!

[DangerousRhythm]

73. HAHA!

Good one! :thumbsup:

[DCBob]

35. Indeed. It was remarkable. They all, including Will, skewered McCain.

Sam even brought up the "age issue" because McCain was acting so irrational and confused this week. It was a true piling on.

[Median Democrat]

37. If McCain Were The Democratic Nominee, I Would Be Concerned By His Temperment

It worries me how quick, and knee jerk his decision making is, and how willing he is to make potentially massive mistakes in the process.

[Median Democrat]

38. If McCain Were The Democratic Nominee, I Would Be Concerned By His Temperment

It worries me how quick, and knee jerk his decision making is, and how willing he is to make potentially massive mistakes in the process.

[ErinBerin84]

41. I posted this on another thread too

but Huffington Post wrote about This Week's skewering of McCain too, and Sam Donaldson said that with McCain, it's not just a matter of mixing up talking points, it raises questions about McCain's age.

[ej510]

44. You guys are nuts republicans want to win, and they will everything they can to win.

[crazy_vanilla]

47. McC is confused and a mess himself

I don't want him handling my lawn care, let alone my financial future. I actually feel sad for him and the way he grapples to stay in the race and would change his position several times within 24 hours. Reminds me of a confused Alzheimer patient, hence the pity I feel.

[TheKentuckian]

49. Of course they want to and will do whatever they can to win

The point is that the one's with brains are abandoning ship.

[Cha]

50. Are you KIDDING me?!

I thought nothing bizarre about mccain's personality and actions would bother these stepford pundits!

It took this week, eh..well hallelujah!

[grantcart]

52. here is the link

http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek

[grantcart]

55. George Will --- McCain is using vehemence instead of coherence

[grantcart]

56. G Will: McCain found his inner voice - William Jennings Bryant

lol that is really funny.

[VoodooGuru]

65. I hate the word "presidential" in that sense, usually...

But it's a correct statement. His temperament is all wrong for the job. It was sometimes said of FDR that he had a second-rate mind but a first-rate temperament, and it more than made up for his average intellect. (Now, I might dispute that he had a second-rate mind, but that's for another day.) I think we can agree (or hope, with some evidence the hope is well-founded) that Obama, at the very least, seems to have a first-rate temperament.

Nobody, even inside the "conservative cocoon" as The Economist(!) called it recently, argues that McCain is brilliant. They tout his courage and experience, but never his intellect. And also, never his temperament, you'll notice. He's known far and wide as one of the more evil-tempered men on the Hill. A number of recent books ("Free Ride" by David Brock and Media Matters being one of the better ones) have pointed up incidents involving McCain's temper and his lasting wrath. At the very least they are disquieting. It goes far beyond the infamous "c-word" incident. After hearing how McCain told a staff member of retiring Arizona senator Dennis DeConcini how happy he was that she would be unemployed soon, I think the word "vicious" comes to mind.

[ecstatic]

68. His Palin pick should tell any clear thinking American EVERYTHING s/he needs to know

seriously. I share Bill Maher's contempt with this one. He has truly stepped over the line this time.

[jazzjunkysue]

71. 68 replies?? I really hit a vein. Wow!

There really is something wrong with this world when I agree with George Will.