What do you call it when McCain brings a soldier's dog tags to 60 Minutes interview?

[NYC_SKP]

He brought to the interview a small white envelop, which he then opens to reveal the chain with tags attached with picture of the Killed in Action Soldier.

And says, "this is what being a president is about."

What kind of low is that? Is there even a word?

EDIT: Beyond anger, this hurts my heart. My heart is hurting for what this man is doing.

[valerief]

1. He is walking, talking vomit. He has no soul. nt

[FrenchieCat]

2. Nope there isn't a word for that.......

It doesn't have a name.....

cause most people have more honor than that.

[MercutioATC]

3. You call it "accurate"

If McCain is elected, his Presidency WILL be about dead soldiers.

[NYC_SKP]

5. Excellent analysis, and very dark, though true... sigh.. nt

[Starry Messenger]

4. War porn.

[LonelyLRLiberal]

11. so true - - - -

[Egnever]

36. good call

[helderheid]

122. Here

http://cdbaby.com/mp3lofi/atommusic-02.m3u

http://cdbaby.com/cd/atommusic

[rzemanfl]

6. Fucking unbelievablepandering deathpornactionherobullshit Iwas

aprisonerofwarcrapofepicproportionsthatshouldpissoffthePopeandeveryothersanepersonontheplanetdisgustingverbalvomitfromasenileoldmanism. Word.

[KittyWampus]

45. you should get some kind of an award for that.

[rzemanfl]

127. Or a new keyboard with a working spacebar. Just kidding. n/t

[liberal renegade]

128. looks like

a Duzy for you.

[rubberducky]

7. Being president is about dead soldiers? This man scares the hell out of me.

[Lex]

8. Exploitation of a dead soldier for personal gain.

How pathetic.

[hisownpetard]

17. Has he no shame?!

[Tinksrival]

9. He's just a

P.O'd Dubya

[DangerousRhythm]

98. Haha!

Exactly. :thumbsup:

When he did that... wow. Talk about exploitation and just being completely disgusting. I'm STILL shaking my head at this. He has absolutely ZERO shame.

[liberal renegade]

10. Desperation!

[nolabels]

59. Much like the slanted takes 60 Minutes was trying to fly

I wasn't able to watch more than ten minutes of that garbage. The evidence of desperation was obvious when the interviewer was trying interrupt Barack right after he asked the question. Who are these corporate lackey buffoons trying to fool anyway x(

[liberalmuse]

12. Cripes.

Why do I feel the sudden urge to vomit? :puke:

[spanone]

13. kabuki theater

[shireen]

14. despicable.

and i think it was staged for 60 minutes.

[NYC_SKP]

21. Absolutely, it was planned and staged.

He brought it with him just for the occasion, it's not like a pow or kia or mia bracelet one might wear all the time.

[RichGirl]

15. Didn't Bush do the same thing?

I vaguely remember something like that.

[babylonsister]

16. Self-serving? Exploitation of a dead man? nt

[NYC_SKP]

18. Wrong, cheap, disgusting in more ways than one can describe... nt

[gabby garcia]

19. that and the 9/11 piece at the RNC..

:grr:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

20. Senator McDraft!

[vaberella]

22. More like a phrase...."I'm a POW BITCH....Remember that!!" He wears it like a pimp with a cane. n/t

[NYC_SKP]

46. Did he say that?

Hey vaberella, I didn't know about that disgusting comment, not that I could be more disgusted by him than I am now....

:hi:

[vaberella]

48. Hiya...No...I was joking. It's the POW comments, I always get the feeling he says that. n/t

[renie408]

23. Bad advice? Senility? He got away from his handlers again?? n/t

[vanderBeth]

24. Un-fuckin-believable

[lolamio]

25. McShameless. n/t

[jenmito]

26. It was the soldier's dog tags. He never misses an opportunity to exploit dead soldiers.

He's disgusting.

[FrenchieCat]

27. Folks need to recommend this thread.

The media needs to see that we know what they are too afraid to mention.

[NYC_SKP]

29. I scanned the earlier "60 minutes" thread, almost thought I'd imagined it.

I didn't see anyone mention it.

It's the most despicable and disgusting move I have ever witnessed and yes, it needs to be seen for the trash that it is.

My heart hurts just thinking about it.

[beac]

28. Scum.

John McCain is scum.

[Blondiegrrl]

30. Being a president is all about starting bullshit wars that get innocent people killed

and soldiers' lives wasted?

Alrighty then.

[NYC_SKP]

34. And then using those deaths for personal and political gain. Not even human.

Of all the low or dirty or dishonest tricks I've ever witnessed, this is wrong on so many levels that it not only sets a new low, it creates a new genre of sickness in politics.

[yellowcanine]

31. I call it exploitation. If Obama had done it the Pubbies would be outraged.

McCain's goons would likely make an attack ad about it in a fit of false outrage.

[WindRiverMan]

32. Election Prop

he has many of them.

[CarbonDate]

101. Yeah, like this one:

[AlinPA]

33. Reality is that lots of 'muricans like that kind of stuff from politicians. "Patriotism".

If he had a cross in that envelope his little demo would be complete.

[Window]

35. Tacky.

[mbee]

37. He looked like he was doing a campaign commercial, but

Obama looked Presidential and actually gave an idea of how he would govern. McCain was just repeating pug talking points - our country was founded on religious principals, this is was being a president is all about - my goodness he even sound like bushco!

[KakistocracyHater]

38. emotional manipulation

plain & simple. I'd wear those Open "seas0n 0n !1brls" & the "n0t my pr8siden1" the printed during Clinton's time. It must really irk the maladroit that even after ALL that fearmongering they STILL had to steal the tallys.

Confidence Game=War on Terror
How else do you explain using a 7% chance to win over a 43% chance to win?
See thread on Rand researching history of ways to stop terrorism.

[tanyev]

39. So...he wants to become president so he can send soldiers off to be killed?

[NYC_SKP]

40. Yeah, maybe he's starting a Dog Tag Collection....(houses, cars, wives, tags)

That wouldn't be sick, would it?

[Top Cat]

41. McSame is appearing like a desperate old man

[mokawanis]

42. Opportunistic pig

Asshole will do ANYTHING to get elected.

[Hissyspit]

43. Sleazy, comes to mind.

[madmax]

44. He's a POS but, we knew that. n/t

[PerfectSage]

47. Political Pandering

[damndude]

49. a lot of sheep will think it is a genuine moment

but i think it is the most callous despicable thing i've yet seen him him do. when he was mentioning it i did not even consider that he actually had the tags with him. when he hauled them out i had an honest moment of shock.

i wanna see a poll of what family of killed and wounded soldiers think of such theatrics

[pauldg0]

84. ...Hey, I like the sheep thing.

....You have good thoughts buddy.

[paregdem]

50. "Sympathy For The Devil"

If you've never heard this Rolling Stones song, check out the lyrics.

[NYC_SKP]

81. These lyrics?

(and welcome to DU) :hi:

Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long year
Stole many a man's soul and faith

And I was 'round when Jesus Christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game

I stuck around at St. Petersburg
When I saw it was a-time for a change
Killed the czar and his ministers
Anastasia screamed in vain

I rode a tank
Held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged
And the bodies stank

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
Ah, what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, ah yeah

(whoo whoo, whoo whoo)
I watched with glee
While your kings and queens (whoo whoo)
Fought for ten decades (whoo whoo)
For the gods they made (whoo whoo)

I shouted out, (whoo whoo)
"Who killed the Kennedys?" (whoo whoo)
When after all (whoo whoo)
It was you and me (whoo whoo)

Let me please introduce myself (whoo whoo)
I'm a man of wealth and taste (whoo whoo)
And I laid traps for troubadours (whoo whoo)
Who get killed before they reached Bombay (whoo whoo, whoo whoo)

Pleased to meet you (whoo whoo)
Hope you guessed my name, (whoo whoo) oh yeah (whoo whoo)
But what's puzzling you (whoo whoo)
Is the nature of my game(whoo whoo), oh yeah, get down, baby (whoo whoo)
(whoo whoo, whoo whoo)
(whoo whoo)
(whoo whoo)
(whoo whoo) ..........

Pleased to meet you (whoo whoo)
Hope you guessed my name, (whoo whoo) oh yeah (whoo whoo)
But what's confusing you (whoo whoo)
Is just the nature of my game (whoo whoo) um yeah (whoo whoo)

Just as every cop is a criminal (whoo whoo)
And all the sinners saints (whoo whoo)
As heads is tails (whoo whoo)
Just call me Lucifer (whoo whoo)
'Cause I'm in need of some restraint (whoo whoo)

So if you meet me (whoo whoo)
Have some courtesy (whoo whoo)
Have some sympathy, (whoo whoo) and some taste (whoo whoo)
Use all your well-learned politesse (whoo whoo)
Or I'll lay your(whoo whoo) soul to waste,(whoo whoo), um yeah (whoo whoo)

:patriot:

[paregdem]

95. Yep, those are the ones...

That's all that came to mind when the topic came up, my brain sort of exploded or something earlier in the evening.

Thank you for the welcome :patriot:

[liberal renegade]

129. The songwriting by the Stones

and the Beatles was genius. Consider the fact that they were so young, but oh so aware, is mindboggling.

[paregdem]

130. Pure Genius : )

What great insight on your part - "so young, but so aware."

Now, why is it that "Under My Thumb" is my most favorite Stones song of all time???
Hmmmmmm...:thumbsup:

[liberal renegade]

131. Because you probably have

some really cool parents.

[paregdem]

132. They Were Cool

(Especially Mom) and I think that my son has a cool Mom...the never-ending circle of coolness :grouphug:

[liberal renegade]

133. And your sons kids

will have a really,really, cool, Grandma. How cool is that?

:hippie:

[Hippo_Tron]

51. HOW DARE you question the motives of John McCain, a former POW®

Don't you know that for 5 and 1/2 years he didn't have envelopes.

[cliffordu]

52. Clawing his way across a corpse to get elected.

I wish someone would tell him to knock that shit off.

[NYC_SKP]

58. I thought about you, being a veteran...

I mean, how fucked up and dishonorable is it to bring on the air those dog tags and tell that story?

A flag pin is one thing, using another human being's ID tag is quite another.

[cliffordu]

65. That's right - I wonder if this was just a campaign stunt or whether the mom

really gave him those tags...


Fuck. Am I cynical or what?


Man, I don't know how a parent can bury a child who died in some shithole like Baghdad. I just really don't.

After finding out about the lies and the bullshit and then the multiple tours....

It would HAVE to look like premeditated murder...

[NYC_SKP]

74. From the official CBS transcript:

The first line below was the voice over set up for the exchange that follows, played while they showed a clip of a woman handing him something out on the tarmac.
There were just a few people present there, she had to have been granted special permission to get anywhere near him. It was a set up at least that far, and probably far more.
How coincidental and fortuitous that she was there in time for the sixty minutes interview, and that sixty minutes had the video and knew about the envelope.
CBS is so very helpful!

(Voiceover) In the wars that the U.S. is fighting today, McCain supports sending around 12,000 more troops to Afghanistan - another surge. He was reminded of the toll in Afghanistan before our interview when a woman at the airport gave him an envelope.

McCain: Just landed at the airport a couple hours ago. Woman was there. She handed me this envelope. Says, "My son, Staff Sergeant Patrick Lee Leibert, KIA, 21, June 2006, Afghanistan. Quote, please remember and support our troops in Afghanistan. God bless you. Cheryl Patrick Pelley: KIA, killed in action.

McCain: Inside of it, of course, is the dog tag with Patrick's picture on it. That's what being President of the United States is all about.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/21/60minutes/main4463340.shtml?source=related_story

[cliffordu]

82. What a scummy fucking necrophiliac

[joop]

88. I'll stand up to be counted cynical with you, cliffordu!

My thought was that if it was not a prop and indeed was given to him by a mother, he probably threw out the big freaking note that was wrapped around the tag that read:

STOP THE FUCKING INSANITY YOU INSANE OLD FART. IF YOU DO WIND UP IN THE WHITEHOUSE, THEN YOU'LL BE FLOODED WITH THESE IF YOU DON'T STOP THIS GODDAMNED WAR NOW!

But that's just my read on it.

[DustyJoe]

134. Probably

Lifted it off an Arlington headstone, You're not cynical, he did not come by them in any way moral.

[Froward69]

53. lowest form of pandering

[amandabeech]

54. He's desperately trying to change the subject.

This election won't be about war or foreign policy.

It's the economy, stupid.

Deja vu all over again.

[begin_within]

55. EXPLOITATION

[grantcart]

60. you got my vote

[Born_A_Truman]

56. It was disgusting

I'm sorry, I question the truthfulness of his story. Would a parent really give their son's dog tags to a politician? I sure as hell wouldn't! My husband's dog tags don't have his picture on them. I admit he's been out of the service several years, so they may have pictures on them now. Hopefully our DUers in the armed forces can weigh in on this. But, I'd like to know if any of you would give your son's dog tags away. I am just stunned.

[sammytko]

62. No, no pictures. I didn't see that part but, you can buy

all kinds of dog tags with whatever on them. I don't think they were the soldiers issued tags.

[sammytko]

63. see

http://www.dogtagcity.com/Photo-Pendants-s/23.htm

[KewlKat]

71. What outrages me

is that the media is banned from taking and showing pictures of coffins coming back to the states, but a presidential candidate can flash a dogtag, with a picture of the casualty, on national TV. Oh the hypocricy.........

[NYC_SKP]

77. So I guess the campaign could order those, make a set for mom and one for

her to give to him, personally, at the airport before his interview, with cameras ready so that they could include the visual in the show tonight.

Or else it was all just dumb luck and coincidence.

She had to have some kind of security clearance to be one of only five or ten people out there on the tarmac, if you saw the video.

[sammytko]

83. I just watched it again,

clearly not issued dog tags - more like the kind anyone can buy. Yes, very strange that she just happened to be so close..

[sammytko]

103. The mom's MySpace says she was invited by the Republicans

probably the locals. She said it happened on the 18th. He used the tags that night in a speech.

She did say they were photo tags.

[NYC_SKP]

112. Link to article about the speech...

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/18/mccain-reveals-dog-tags-of-dead-soldier/

Do you have a link to the mom's MySpace page?

And, welcome to DU! :hi:

[sammytko]

64. see

http://www.dogtagcity.com/Photo-Pendants-s/23.htm

[gblady]

66. I agree.....

about who would give their son's tags away....
It was the sleaziest thing I have seen that SOB do...
He looked so insincere and disingenuous.

[KewlKat]

69. Official dog tags DO NOT have images on them

I'm sure this is one that the mother purchased with a pic of her son on one side. You can buy all that stuff for whatever you reason.

see this link: http://www.icedoutgear.com/photo-dogtag.php

[Snarkoleptic]

57. Just goes to show that McSame is a low-rent pimp.

What a sad, sorry little man.

[vanderBeth]

61. disgusting

[stillcool]

67. He's a parasite..

a self-serving leech.

[Buck Rabbit]

68. "Worst Person In The World"

[NYC_SKP]

121. Yes, maybe KO will recognize McCain for his disservice to our military...

Hmmmm...

[GalleryGod]

70. He's a totally elitist Viet Vet...He "flew over" the combat zone

and went to good chow in the air conditioned ward room every night.
From every mud grunt I've spoken to ...
Thanks...but NO thanks...Flyboy/Playboy!

[pauldg0]

87. And I contend that ....

...if he would have been on the top of his graduating class at West Point, he wouldn't have wasted that fine aircraft shot down over Hanoi.

[pauldg0]

72. I believe he is exploiting that young life for his own personal gain...

His success to win the Presidency has nothing to do with the valor of that young soul....That is awful....John McCain is a scumbag.

Obviously a republican household allowed him to exploit their sons loss, but if that young hero knew what was going on, would he like that.....we will never know....and shame on his family.

When Mr. McShame does this, he represents 5,000 Americans who have lost their lives too? All soldiers are united. I bet the majority of those hero's would be infuriated.

John McCain betrays himself as a hero because of his imprisonment in Viet Nam. To put it bluntly, if he would have been on the top of his graduating class instead of the bottom, he wouldn't have been shot down over Hanoi.

[pauldg0]

75. As an additional thought.................

.....the 60-minutes folks should be ashamed of themselves for allowing themselves to be accessories to this vomit shit. If they let McCain stage this for an hour before it started then that is shameful.

You know there will be people out there who will think John McCain is quit the man....another example of McCain exploiting stupid people...i.e. stupid media.

[NYC_SKP]

80. Yes, if you watch the clip, they had a video of the mom handing it over, the

whole fucking thing was scripted.

[renate]

117. I feel sorry for a parent who would use their child that way

I guess she feels strongly about McCain being elected, and if this is a way to help her feel that her son's death wasn't in vain I'm glad it helps her, but... I don't know, some things are too painful to be used in a photo op. I would have thought so, anyway.

Doesn't she realize that her son very well might not have died if people and resources hadn't been taken out of Afghanistan for an unnecessary war that McCain supports? She allowed her grief to be used by a man who contributed to it. Very sad.

[NYC_SKP]

124. I guess she's grieving and is misguided, when really she should be angry.

These wars diminish us all, the loss is expressed differently but we all suffer.

:patriot:

[sketchycharacter]

73. I call it PANDERING ...(n/t)

[TTUBatfan2008]

76. I wonder what his friend Chuck Hagel...

would say about this? If that isn't one of the most pathetic bits of pandering I've ever seen, I don't know how else to describe it. And I am sure Hagel would be ashamed of a fellow veteran using that type thing for political gain.

[NYC_SKP]

79. Chuck Hagel would wring his neck, and I'd pay to see it. nt

[minnesota_liberal]

78. Absolutely shameless.

McDumbfuck!

[OwnedByFerrets]

85. You should be used to it.....he will do ANYTHING to win....

the lies are but one part of it.


www.wearableartnow.com

[TwilightGardener]

86. Awful. Totally scraping bottom now.

[JeffR]

89. c -r -A - S - S

Rhymes with desperate opportunistic dickhead.

[murdoch]

90. Thanatos

Its what Freud called Thanatos - the self-destructive worship of death.

One of Freud's students, Wilhelm Reich, wrote a book about this when it is not applied to just one persons psychology, but to a whole society - The Mass Psychology of Fascism.

[curious one]

91. Desperation because he doesn't want to say POW.

[I LIKE IKE 61]

92. .

Thats just sick. To pander to voters like that. Grrr. Obama winning on election night will be justace served cold to Bush and friends. LOL.

In Atlanta Georgia burbs I saw a guy in a eating place today. He had on an Obama shirt. We got to talking and he said he was an "conservative/indipedant voter. He said there was no way he was voting for McCain. He said the country was almost in an ecconomic depression and McCain would only hurt. Hmmmm. :) Polls could be wrong? I have only seen 1 McLame bumper sticker and no yrad signs!!! None! I see an Obama shirt or bumper sticker EVERY DAY!!! Hmmmmm.

[renate]

118. welcome to DU!

And thanks for the good news from Atlanta! :hi:

[Sodan]

93. McShame

[ClayZ]

94. Vile!

[bridgit]

96. gratuitous

1. given, done, bestowed, or obtained without charge or payment; free; voluntary.
2. being without apparent reason, cause, or justification: a gratuitous insult.
3. Law. given without receiving any return value.

[No Elephants]

97. Shameless? Shameful? Soul-less? Criminal?

[KewlKat]

99. Does anyone know when the 60 minutes interview was taped?

MCInSane used these same dog tags at a rally in WI on the 18th.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/18/mccain-reveals-dog-tags-of-dead-soldier/

Mr. McCain said that a woman had greeted him at the airport in Wisconsin and handed him an envelope.

“Then I got back on the bus and I saw this envelope, and the envelope was from Cheryl Lee Patrick from Ladysmith, Wis.,’’ he said. “And on the front of the envelope it says: ‘To Senator John McCain. My son, Staff Sgt. Patrick Lee Lybert, K.I.A. June 21, 2006, Afghanistan. And then the note goes on to say: please remember and support our troops in Afghanistan. God bless you, Cheryl Patrick.”

“And then I opened up the envelope,’’ Mr. McCain said, doing so on stage as a clinking sound was heard over the sound system, with many in the audience of the arena gasping audibly, “and there was the dog tags.’’

[NYC_SKP]

109. I think they taped Obama on Wednesday, not sure about McCain, but

I'm not at all surprised that he exploited the dead soldier and his family more than once and we might see more...

Disgusting.

[NYC_SKP]

111. Thanks, and...

welcome to DU!

:hi:

[jrockford]

100. "this is what being a president is about" - what, being able to send soldiers to die? nt

[Bosso 63]

102. Tacky.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

104. He Might Pull A Stunt Like That At The Debates

~

[NYC_SKP]

116. He might indeed, I hope it draws groans from the audience... nt

[Blue Diadem]

105. He's an opportunist.

I didn't watch the entire piece online at the 60 Minutes web site, but I did watch the 15 minute part that included what you saw. He appeared selfish and uncaring.

[Vektor]

106. Sending young people to die? Exploiting their deaths for political gain?

"Sickening" is far too mild a word.

He's off his rocker, and so is any voter who doesn't see right through this atrocious behavior.

[sentelle]

107. tags attached with a picture

Uh, sorry, that looked like tags printed with a picture of the guy killed in action.

And I feel bad about the guy who died, and for his family.

But, last I checked, dog tags didn't have a picture printed on them. (And yes, I watched that twice, thanks to mythtv). This was no cooincidence.

Too bad for the woman, for not knowing McSame's record on veterans.

[NYC_SKP]

113. They're commercially produced tags, send in a pic, they put it on tags for you.

They're not the real deal.
Someone in this thread provided a link to where you can order these.

[Orsino]

108. Being president is all about killing soldiers?

Homeboy needs to retire. Nowish.

[Jennicut]

110. Can we all spell "exploitation"?

Yes, we can. That is what this is, bringing the tags along with you to whip them out during the most opportune time. Digesting, creepy, my skin was crawling. And he could care less what happens to soldiers when they come home. No support for the GI bill. Nope, its only the dead ones that matter so they can be used to exploit to get elected. I hate this man and he has become worse then Dumbya to me.

[mtnsnake]

114. I call it the sorriest, dirtiest form of politics possible and typically Republican

K&R

[NYC_SKP]

115. I don't doubt that some Republicans are even revolted by this ugly stunt.

I'd like to see him called on it by someone in his own party, I'm not holding my breath, but I'd like to see it.

It's an embarrassment to everyone, or should be.

[ailsagirl]

119. That's all he's got going for him but it's gotten OLD

Obama always graciously mentions McCant's heroric war service. That part isn't in dispute. What can he bring to the table NOW???????

The interviewer for Obama (60 minutes) tried to rattle him but was unsuccessful. I thought Obama came off very well-- could not bring myself to watch McPain's segment.

[NYC_SKP]

120. McCain is exploiting the military more and more, at the last few events..

Both he and Palin have "thanked the wonderful patriots of (insert place name) who have served their country, please stand up and be identified).

They really are disgusting and desperate.

:puke:

[ailsagirl]

126. Particularly since they don't give a damn about any of them...

:puke:

[adigal]

123. Using the dead - and what did it mean anyway??

That dead soldiers is what a president is about?? It is also about starving Americans.

[NYC_SKP]

125. It was meaningless and dishonest, like any other sort of pandering, but worse..

Because it exploited a dead soldier in support of someone who supported the measures that killed him.

It's unbelievably crass and cruel and wrong.