Watching Bill Clinton on the View is so dissappointing. Flame me if you must but if it wasn't for

[jezebel]

the tape piece at the top of his intro from the convention, you wouldn't even be able to tell if he is for Obama or McCain. Apparently he is still for Hillary.
The McCain must be overjoyed with this appearance.

Now I'm not just dissapointed, I'm pissed. He praised McCain MUCH more than Obama. I'm sorry if it pisses people off at me but he is purposefully helping McCain. He is too intelligent of a man to not to know how this will come across.

[MarjorieG]

1. Mixed loyalties in 2004, waiting for 2008, but didn't see him today. Talk economy pro-us?

[Captain Hilts]

2. He was good on CNBC. nt

[Arugula Latte]

3. I'm so done with Bill Clinton.

I have to change the channel if I see him.

It's sad; I used to like the guy and I saw him inaugurated, many years ago.

[Pattib]

21. Me too! Over him. No respect for him, at all.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

25. Throwing up a lung in the '90s defending the Clintons against the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

...and look what we get? He has embraced Pappy Bush; he has embraced Rupert Murdoch and Faux News; and he has stated repeatedly that he honors John McCain.

This is masterfully done by Bill and many here at DU refuse to accept it.

[thewiseguy]

4. I am going to watch it for myself and decide

[mzmolly]

33. Ditto.

:hi:

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

5. I don't care what anyone says. This man is attempting to sabotage and undermine Obama with a smile!

Hillary DID NOT win the popular vote. Bill is STILL lying!!! How many times do people have to say this over and over again?!??!

SHE DID NOT WIN!! PERIOD!!!! Bill is vindictive and a liar!!

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...ular_vote.html

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-...l?hpid=topnews

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9149.html

[Carolina]

19. too bad he's not vindictive toward

the bastard who called Chelsea a DOG!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

23. EXACTLY!! He has stated repeatedly that he and Hillary are *close* friends with McSame!

DU, PLEASE OPEN YOUR EYES!!!

[dkf]

6. You do remember he was best buds ever with Papa Bush right?

Nothing surprises me.

[Sebastian Doyle]

35. And remember when he said in 2004

That he liked BOTH Chimpy and Kerry and implied that they were pretty much equal as candidates? Now Kerry wasn't exactly my first choice for the nominee, but come on, Bill??

This is just sickening... and it's a perfect example of why we need to rid ourselves of the DLC once and for all.

[cali]

7. I've never been a big Clinton fan

and at this point, little he did would disappoint me.

[holiday]

9. I have to agree

I was bummed. How many times do we need to hear McCain is a good man (I'm not seeing that) and that he was POW!

[LynneSin]

8. It's the fricking View, not Meet the Press

Nothing to see here folks, just people trying to help sabotage Obama by claiming there is still division within this party.

[WI_DEM]

14. actually the View is more important than MTP, because it gets higher ratings

and a better targeted audience (middle aged women).

[Lucky 13]

55. Are you kidding me. The View has a larger audience than MTP and is focused on WOMEN.

Everyone pays attention and comments on The View appearances of McCain, Cindy, Obama, Michelle, etc., but we're not supposed to care what WJC says on the show?

The Clintons and their supporters have a million different excuses and all the plausible deniability in the world, but WJC did us NO FAVORS and anyone who says otherwise is full of it.

[RockaFowler]

10. Boy, you guys must have watched a different show than me

I thought he did a great job today. He said that he is a good Democrat and he is supporting Obama and believes Obama will win.

Why can't people let the primaries go??

[scheming daemons]

12. we HAVE let the primaries go... it is BILL CLINTON who apparently has not...

How could you watch that show and think Bill was for Obama?

Anybody who has been in a coma for the past year who watched that show would NOT be able to tell if Bill is for Obama or McCain.


*BILL* won't let go of the primaries, not the Obama supporters. You have it exactly backwards.

[nini]

22. because hysteria fuels many people here

The 'hidden message' patrol here of everything Bill or Hillary says is so pathetic and old.

Thankfully, Obama is more politically saavy and knows the Clintons are in his corner and he understands why Bill still speaks well of Hillary's run.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

31. Yes, he does say these things, but they are half-hearted and a cover for his back-handed

comments about how Hillary really won and how John McCain is an honorable man and how they are close friends. Bill Clinton is still a brilliant politician. When he makes statements like that, people don't realize that they undermine all the good things he has to say.

We aren't fighting the primaries. I was very proud of Hill and Bill at the DNC and finally healed after the primaries. But in at least 2 instances since then, Bill has brought us back and has pealed the scab on the primaries wound that is trying to heal.

Making statements like Hillary won the popular vote, which she didn't; or, that there was more sexism than racism in WV even though she WON WV are simply subtle references that may pick the wounds inflicted during the primaries. We are trying to get over that and maintain party unity. But if Bill relives the primaries in every interview he gives, his words may have a negative impact.

Nothing is done by mistake when it comes to Bill. This is "The View" which is primarily watched by women. Do you honestly think that Bill didn't know that his comments could create discord or re-introduce ill feelings from the primaries?

Bill is not stupid and neither are you.

[RichGirl]

32. I don't think that voting for Obama...

...because you are a good democrat is a ringing endorsement. How about...he's the best man for the job.

[progressivebydesign]

43. because they're just as fascinated with his Clenis as the repubs. n/t

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

11. I agree it was under-whelming

[BklynChick]

13. not surprised, still infuriating!

[azmouse]

15. Who watches The View...

beyond a few people here who monitor the show?

I've never watched it and never will. It's crap masquerading as news and entertainment.

[scheming daemons]

16. 5 million viewers daily.... a large percentage of them white middle-class women

[azmouse]

20. Unbelievable.... what poor taste those millions have.

[scheming daemons]

24. Yeah...well.... Bill just did his best to push many of them toward McCain....

[azmouse]

27. If they are THAT easily swayed at this point in the game

then the Democratic party has bigger problems than what Clinton says.

For what it's worth... I don't think Clinton changed any minds. He's sounding ridiculous.

[scheming daemons]

29. Lots of LIVs pay very close attention to Bill....

[karynnj]

48. By definition the people we need to win now are on the fence

That means that they can be swayed. The subtle thing here is that they could see a leading Democrat, Bill Clinton giving them tacit agreement that McCain is the type of person they should respect. This lets them put aside any trepidation they have. (Saying the saem or less for Obama is not the same - he is expected to say good things about Obama.)

[WI_DEM]

38. yeah, but they are also the demographic among women where Obama is hurting.

[thewiseguy]

18. I hate to break this to you, but many people watch that show.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

60. White women watch The View!

And to hear Bill speak of sexism in the primaries doesn't do Obama any good when we are trying to bring these women back to the party.

[Sensitivity]

17. The Clintions will help if it serves THEIR GOALS. Don't expect anything else.

[nomaco-10]

26. The entire interview screamed SOUR GRAPES.....

Now, does everybody see why there was no way in hell Obama could have picked hillary?

You don't cross either one of the clintons. If you do there will be hell to pay. And that's exactly what we'll be living in if mcsame and palin win this election.

When Obama does win, it will be by his own doing, it will certainly be without any help from bill, that's for sure.

[PlanetBev]

36. You're right about that, nomaco

I can't understand why people insist that Hillary would have been Obama's best choice. Bill would have tried to take over and put speed bumps and orange cones in Barack's way.

[PlanetBev]

28. I'm sure not going to flame you

Bill Clinton is a selfish, self-absorbed bastard. He never gave a rip about the down-ticket Democratic office-holders all the time he was in office. When they asked him for help, he ignored them. And when he left office, the statehouses and governorships were practically cleaned out of Democrats.

One of the most famous sayings about Bill Clinton in Arkansas was, "he can pat you on the back and urinate down your leg at the same time."

[RockaFowler]

30. How many people here actually watched the show??

I watched and I thought he did a great job. Go Ahead and "flame" me. He said that he is campaigning for Obama. He even said that Obama will win. I don't see anyone except me pointing that out here.

[thewiseguy]

37. WOW. He even said that Obama will win?

NO freaking way! :wow:

[nomaco-10]

45. Yeah, but only because the economy is bad and voter ...

registration is up. That was pretty much the extent of anything even remotely complimentary he had to say about Obama.

[nomaco-10]

39. He behaved as if he had little interest in the outcome...

he lavished high praise on mcsame, that is when he wasn't lavishing it on himself. He came across more as a disinterested observer than a former DEMOCRATIC president.

It was disappointing and as far as I'm concerned DISGRACEFUL.

[Sodan]

40. Thanks - didn't watch the show

Guess it would be fake if he was going over the top about Obama.
Most people know he prefers having Hillary running for President.

[RichGirl]

42. As a former Clinton supporter I was very disappointed.

I can only hope you are right. That only thinking people actually listened to what he had to say and that most people just heard...supporting Obama.

I didn't think the View asked very good questions. They spent most of the time rehashing the primaries.

[ClarkUSA]

34. The Clintons are playing for 2012 - her activities cover his ass so they have plausible deniability

He's a disgustingly transparent piece of work, doing all he can to deliver Hillary's votes to McCain.

[Metric System]

44. Ridiculous. If it's so damn transparent then it's not a very effective "strategy." I watched it and

as a huge Hillary primary supporter I was given no reason by Bill to switch my vote from Obama to McCain. But according to Obama supporters here that's just what Bill is doing. So now I'm confused.

[scheming daemons]

46. Instead of saying McCain and Obama are "equally qualified", Bill needed to say what we all know...

"A McCain presidency would be a DISASTER for this country."


Why must he praise the man.... I mean, AT ALL?

[Metric System]

50. Because it's what people do in politics. Bill's not the only Dem to throw praise McCain's way. Obama

and others have done it too. Frankly, can you imagine the firestorm and unnecessary distraction if the former President had said that McCain wasn't qualified? You can bet Obama would be hounded by it.

[scheming daemons]

53. Why can't he unequivocally support Obama the same way Jimmy Carter does?

[karynnj]

59. Maybe Bill could learn from all the times Kerry or Biden have addressed just that

(good things) followed by (he's not the 2000 McCain) and (He's wrong on all the issues).

Kerry (and Biden) had closer relationships with McCain than either Clinton did and they have no problem with this.

[ClarkUSA]

49. I'm supporting the Democratic nominee 100% and so are DNC surrogates - WTF is Bill doing then?

In his prior CNBC interview and this one with The View panel, he couldn't say enough wonderful things about the RNC ticket
while damning Obama with faint praise. It's obvious why he is doing so.

[Metric System]

51. If it's that obvious then it's not effective. I'm sorry but I see no sense in this argument.

[ClarkUSA]

54. Considering you still have a Hillary avatar, I am not surprised you defend anything Clintonian.

:eyes:

[Metric System]

56. Ugh.

[karynnj]

58. you were not undecided coming in

Some could have been. They could see it as Clinton saying both are ok - as he did explicitly with Lamont and Leiberman.

Let's turn it around, as closely as I can. (No Obama supporter is as powerful as Bill and it is his political role rather than that he is HRC's husband. Thus I will use Senator Kerry.)

Let's say he came on and in the same fashion Bill did joked with the women and spoke of how he had admired McCain for decades and that they were great friends - showing less of that warmth when speaking of the candidate HRC. Imagine that in the primaries, he had said that McCain was qualified to be President and implied HRC wasn't. (This is relevant - those things did not go away everything is cumulative.) Would you be here arguing that he didn't sway you?

1) Could you picture Senator Kerry doing that?
2) Would you be ok with it?

[karynnj]

41. The biggest mistake the Democrats ever made

was in 1992. ANY Democrat would have won - GHWB was below 40%. In the primaries, we ignored that he lied on both the draft issue and Gennefer Flowers - shifting his position each time things were proven false. He also attacked the integrity of Flowers and the ROTC officer to deflect blame.

I have no idea what is wrong with him - he, more than anyone destroyed his own wife's campaign. (Some things are iffy, but I don't get how bringing up Bosniw after it died, pointing out that HRC was old and gets tired. Seriously, I was for Obama, but all I could think of is how having her husband do this had to feel.

[RichGirl]

47. That actually makes me feel better.

When you reminded me that he said many of the wrong things that hurt Hillary. I hope his performance on the View was just a matter of him saying the wrong things.

[Sebass1271]

61. I admired the CLINTONS SO MUCH

before this election, i was actually a Hillary Supporter during the primaries, but with an open mind that if she did not win, i would support whoever the DEM candidate was, not just because of Party loyalty, but because my life has been so affected by the Bush's policies during the last eight years and knowing McCain has supported those policies was enough for me to support my DEM candidate which usually runs on the Democratic platform anyways.

BUT, watching Clinton today say those things and clearly undermining Obama really infuriated me. I am in Florida and voted for Hillary, however i fully KNOW that Obama did not campaign here, so how she can be granted full popular vote when i did not see one Obama commercial? Also, as far as I understand, Hillary and Obama were both tied on this number.

I own Hillary and Bill Clinton's book. I read both, and I once PAID to see him give a speech at the Staples Center, but today i feel disgusted with him and will burn that book and forever blame HIM for the outcome of this election.

He is playing with MY future and my son's 20 years old future. I will not forgive him for that.

enough said.

[blm]

63. It was Bill's book that opened my eyes about him. He mentioned NOT ONE WORD about BCCI

matters that he spent the entire 90s deep-sixing for Poppy Bush and Jackson Stephens. I expected him to give some sort of plausible explanation why, but he chose to insult thinking Democrats by not even mentioning any of the issues in BCCI....even though many of the same characters showed up behind the scenes of 9-11 and this Iraq war. He wrote that book the same way a Bush would.

[zulchzulu]

52. Bill who?

:shrug:

[progdog]

57. Exactly

Everyday he becomes more irrelevant.

[Cosmic Charlie]

62. what else do you expect from Repuke-lite?