You can cry all you want but Bill Clinton DID NOT hurt Obama at all on The View

[Demi_Babe]

I'm shocked so many see it this way. He clearly is for Obama and just because he likes both guys is not reason to throw out so much hate towards him. He's an ex President, he chooses to stay somewhat neutral...most President do. What he did succeed in doing is PROVING that the democratic party has the better policies and has the better candidate for this election and please tell me how this hurts Obama? Come on people.

[TwilightGardener]

1. ??--Are the Bushes "neutral" RE McCain vs. Obama?

[Demi_Babe]

7. I honestly haven't heard Bush 1 say a word and Bush 2 is still a sitting Prez

[TwilightGardener]

15. Bush 2 trotted McLoser out in front of the White House to proclaim his support--

Bush 1 has declared his support--there's no QUESTION that they back the GOP nominee--none.

[ProSense]

20. Actually, he has said something

December 18, 2007

Elder Bush nixes Clinton trip idea

Posted: 06:00 PM ET

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Former President George H.W. Bush has shot down his successor Bill Clinton’s idea of a diplomatic mission under a Hillary Clinton presidency that would send him and other notables abroad to assure other nations that “America is open for business and cooperation again.”

The move came one day after Bill Clinton made the suggestion on the campaign trail in South Carolina, in response to a question from a supporter about his wife’s “number-one priority” upon reaching the White House.

In a statement sent to CNN Tuesday afternoon, former President Bush’s chief of staff Jean Becker said that he “wholeheartedly supports the President of the United States, including his foreign policy. He has never discussed an ‘around-the-world-mission’ with either former President Bill Clinton or Sen. Clinton, nor does he think such a mission is warranted since he is proud of the role America continues to play around the world as the beacon of hope for freedom and democracy.

“President Bush is excited about several of the excellent Republican candidates running for president, and looks forward to discussing their candidacy once the Republican nominee is determined.”

He made it clear he supports Republicans, that is McBush.

[rateyes]

2. If I were you I would edit "democrat party" to Democratic Party. nt

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[timeoutofjoint]

32. calling another

DU member a troll just because he does not capitalize words?--or not spell out a word correctly?
Or do you disagree with the OP. this is a discussion board.

Beyond the pale --and weak and against DU rules.

[endthewar]

35. WRONG! It's "Democrat Party" vs. "Democratic Party"

Get your facts straight before making a stupid assertion. Nothing to do with capitalizing it and everything to do with describing the Party like the Republicans do.

[bushisanidiot]

36. So if I call you a troll, timeoutofjoint, I am breaking DU rules?

?

[RaleighNCDUer]

38. It is against the rules to call out another DU member, as you rightly pointed out.

Which, reading what I wrote, you can see I did not do.

Many Republicans seen constitutionally incapable of referring to us by our correct name, the Democratic party. Many of those posters here who call us the Democrat party wind up subsequently being tombstoned.

I was merely advising Rateyes to not let the trolls know we are on to them.

And Welcome to DU.

[scheming daemons]

3. Praising McCain as "equally qualified" and "I like them both" undercuts Obama

If you can't see that, you don't want to see it.

[flpoljunkie]

19. John McCain shoots from the hip, is not fit to be president by temperament or interest in governing

Bill Clinton did not need to praise McCain as 'equally qualified.' I cannot believe Bill Clinton believes that. This hurts Obama and helps McCain.

[dkf]

4. Do you think he would have done the same thing if Hillary was the nominee?

[Statistical]

33. Exactly. No way in hell.

[Clio the Leo]

5. thank you. The problem is not Bill Clinton, the problem is John McCain. NT

[cali]

6. I don't know if he hurt him but he sure didn't help him

and it wasn't only his lavish praise of McCain't that I found tiresome, or his lukewarm words about Biden, it was the self-serving bullshit about how repealing the Glass-Steagall Act didn't contribute to the financial mess, and his bizarre statements about the economy.

[dionysus]

8. clintonista apologist FAIL. banky required.

[gateley]

9. Did he help him?

And he may be a former president who chose to stay neutral -- but isn't he still a Democrat? He certainly was when Hillary was running.

[Demi_Babe]

12. YES...he made it clear to the low info voters that the democratic party is by far THE BEST

[The Wielding Truth]

10. Jimmy Carter really supports barack Obama and he says it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VbFRC4pVeY Remember he was a former Democractic President?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. I agree he did little to hurt Obama.

But he really fucked himself over with his bullshit.

[Demi_Babe]

17. this is just one time we're going to have to agree to disagree..

I think he helped the party...the Democratic Party...BIG TIME. With his knowledge alone showed low info voters that our party has the very best policies and that in NO WAY hurts Obama...it only helps.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

18. Keep dreaming.

If it makes you feel better.

[SDJay]

34. Agreed, but...

The Dems are going to vote Dem already, save a few strange hold-outs. The independents and swing voters are not going to vote for a party - they're going to vote for a candidate and/or an overall ticket. That may seem like the same thing to those of us who keep up with things pretty well, but it makes a big difference to the LIV, many of whom try to protect their 'intellectual independence' by refusing to identify with one party or the other. Everything right now needs to be why Obama/Biden are better than McCrap/Churchy Spice as opposed to Dem/Rep. It hits home more directly and will hit the mark better with the swing folks.

[writes3000]

13. OP, I just went to another board of female viewers and guess what? You're RIGHT!

Their take-away was that the Republican policies got us into this mess. They were reminded that the Dems had a surplus.

No one even commented on Bill being luke-warm re: Obama.

There was no arguing over there at all. And I know there are some passionate O-supporters.

[scheming daemons]

Compare Bill's "support" of Obama to Jimmy Carter's....

'nuff said.


Get on board, or get off of TV.

[polmaven]

25. That is likely to be

because there are no passionate Clinton HATERS there. There are MANY here. Bill Clinton could come out and say that he believes Senator Obama will be the greatest president in the history of the country, and it would not be enough for some.

[Sensitivity]

14. Imagine if George Bush Sr. was on the networks saying that BOTH OBAMA AND MCCAIN would make great

Presidents.

The Repukes would have him locked in an asylum.

[geek tragedy]

16. He didn't actively campaign against the party's nominee.

Yeah, give him a medal.

[nomaco-10]

21. Just wait til tonight and you'll see how much he hurt us....

Every political talk show will show clips and talk about this little interview ad nauseum probably even for days, which takes a way from the true debate between obama and mcain on the economy (that little 700 billion bailout), which is where we win this election.

Everytime clinton gives one of these "little" interviews, he hurts us. He becomes a distraction from the real issues and the story becomes about him. He knows exactly what he's doing too.

[FrenchieCat]

22. Deeds and words will all be noted......

for future reference.

There is a certain segment of the population who will not forget who helped whom with what. Some folks are cleared eyes and cannot be bamboozled. This is the most important election in our lifetime, and my children's well being depend on the outcome, as does mine and millions of Americans, as well as many around the world. I just hope that our pain is being felt and understood and taken into consideration and that the priority of all Democrats is to win this particular general election, period.

Anyone putting themselves first in anyway, and distracting from what is the upmost priority is letting us know exactly what they think of us.

[goclark]

30. Any former Democratic President that did not praise Obama

to the hills is putting their own needs first and a distraction.

I agree Frenchie.

[seabeyond]

23. DID NOT hurt .... and did NOT HELP. he is a dem isnt he? n/t

[ClarkUSA]

24. Yeah, funny how "he chooses to stay neutral" now but not during the primaries, eh?

I guess Jimmy Carter missed the "neutral" memo. I'll bet if Hillary were the Dem nominee, Bill wouldn't be "neutral".

[polmaven]

27. That has to be one of the more silly

statements I've seen in a while. Hillary is his WIFE for chrissake! Of COURSE he wasn't neutral. Nobody expected him to be. Not Jimmy Carter OR Senator Obama. Get OVER it already! Sheesh!

[ClarkUSA]

31. What's silly is to think that it's okay for Bill to be "neutral" about THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE...

Yes, there were plenty of people who expected him to be neutral and gracious during the primaries (like Bush I behaved in 2000)
instead of acting like a pitbull minus the lipstick.

[AtomicKitten]

28. just words

:eyes:

[timeoutofjoint]

29. I think many like to watch someone who gives an honest

assessment of issues. I think Bill did that today and he did NOT hurt Sen. Obama.
Bill came across as sincere --and as an intellectual.

[Meshuga]

37. People who like "both guys" around here usually get tombstoned n/t